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This is when I realize that if City does not get 3rd place we are doomed. The fourth place remains static, solid and firm as a rock week in week out, no matter what happens around it. Pep has a harder job on his hands than he realizes.

Sorry guys for the constant 4th place jokes :P anything to up my spirits atm
It's kinda ironic that the two managers that people consider best in the world are sitting 5th and 6th.
I think Mourinho is better placed because he is building up strength by strength. I personally feel Pep has more potential but currently his team is by far the lost one.

But to your point - yes - the Manchester teams should be up there, not battling it outside of the CL group. The EPL has come a long way
I think it's a bit tiresome that people joke about Arsenal finishing 4th. There is a difference between 4th and top 4.

For example, we finished 2nd and 3rd in the last 2 seasons and people still interchange that for a 4th placed finish to suit a joke that has been flogged to death.
Share your thoughts on Juventus new logo please.

IMO its really awful with No bull, No crown, No stars...why would they even do such a drastic change to logo of club with great history and popularity all over the world.

Yes, we have seen many clubs make small changes over the years, but nothing of this magnitude
When flat design has gone too far...
How do we feel? How do we *S@^^@&#&&$ feel?


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I hate it
Team off the season so far? Here's mine and I'm going 3-4-2-1.

Courtois
Walker
Luiz
Alderweireld
Van Dijk
Rose
Kante
Pogba
Sanchez
Hazard
Costa

I wanted Mane in there so bad but I went with Sanchez. Ibrahimovic was close too but Costa gets the nod. Wanyama was close after pocketing Kante twice but Kante has been immense otherwise.

I think Costa has to be in there, maybe in place of Hazard or Mane. Also not sure about Courtois I think Lloris or De Gea have been better than him so far.

Edit: Ah so you changed your mind
Courtois has most clean sheets by a mile so I went with him.

@doc: yeah I must have changed it while you was typing.
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-----------Courtois ------------

Azip---Van Dijk-----Luiz----Rose-

--------Kante--Hendo-------

Sanchez------Dele------Hazard

-----------Costa-------------

Hard choice to pick btw Luiz and Alderweireld..but i went for Luiz for now.
Clean sheets don't give a definitive insight into who the best goalkeeper is; I believe Lloris and De Gea have far superior save success rates than Courtois does but hey they are all top keepers and it is hard to pick one.
Any analysis or stats that can prove Lloris and De Gea have much better save success rate compared to Courtois ? Not saying Courtois is better, but its hard to pick the best without showing stats
Courtois
Alderweireld-Luiz-Vertonghen
Antonio-Kante-Dembele-Rose
Sanchez-Costa-Hazard.

This my dream first Chelsea first team for next season :D

Pickford
Azpi Alderweireld jones
Sanchez Erikson Kante Coutinho Hazard
Costa Zlatan
Jones is a interesting pick since he has only played 10 games this season.
Jones should not be included. He hasn't played enough football. If anything Rojo should be above Jones and that's coming from someone who is not a fan of Rojo. I'd pick any CB from spurs or Chelsea above the united pair ATM.
Pep needs a pep talk.
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He needs messi
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...and xavi, iniesta etc lol
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Form is temporary. Class is permanent.
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For me its not about man city position on the table. Its about these big losses against decent teams. Pep needs to fix that then he'll be set.
Jesus to rescue Pep? wait and watch!
I think he needs time to adapt..

City is the 2nd true test to his management skill, he passed at Barca.. but let's get real, Bayern was a walk in the park.. He needs time and I think he will get time. Not just time.. Lots of money too.
Pep will be fine in a year or two. Honestly his biggest failure right now is with the British media.
Pep was a major flop at Bayern with all the players he had and the freedom in transfers that was offered to him
The Bayern team accomplished pretty little under him, other than getting wrecked on the counter vs all kinds of opposition
City need rebuilding from scratch and I don't think he is the right man. He didn't really rebuild anything at Barca either, he had a strong core of players who came good for him. His tactics were great but let's not kid, if it was anyone other than Messi Xavi Iniesta they would not have had so much success
City don't have that core group of players who can be moulded into a world beating side. I'll be surprised if he turns this side over because it would be a first for him - he has never managed a average side like City in his past jobs and turned them around. Both the teams he managed were pretty much world class squads even before he took over .
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@Vaaz

I think Barca was on a major decline when he took over.. He reshaped it to what they are.
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^ Eh, no. They just were going through a bad phase. But they already had the players coming through Rijkaards last campaign such as Messi, xavi and andres were already a part of the first team setup. Captain Puyol was already a mainstay in defence, and so was Abidal, Yaya you're and Thierry Henry

What Pep did was bring Busquets through the youth ranks along with Pedro who proved to be an excellent backup. Pique was also bought back Also Dani Alves was a great signing and he made few others during his time there too like Villa

What I mean to say is that the core of the team which formed the backbone of Pep's team at Barca was already there when he took over.

At City I don't find the core players around whom Pep is supposed to build his side. Compared to what he had at Barca, this city job looks herculean.

Aguero is WC striker but he is no Messi, Silva is getting old and so is Yaya Toure. He hoped Gundogan would be a hit but it was not to be. Fernandinho is still good in the middle but his suspensions have costed them dearly: Mainly though the defence is just poor.

I know everyone ought to give him more time, but look at the stark contrast between how both his first seasons (or atleast half of it) at Barca and at City have unfolded - with a few tweaks, he was able to get an underperforming side left behind by Rijkaard to be world beaters, while at City he has spent well over $150m and the squad is still not able to mount any serious challenge on any front.
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Gotta agree with that.
Good insights.
Very Good.
I disagree. I think Pep can turn it around. In fact, he already has. Sure we haven't been playing well for the past few months but it would be lie to say that what Pep did earlier in the season and his UCL performance against Barca aren't an indication of what City could look like in the near future. We never had that under Pellegrini or Mancini. Things fell apart due to the lack of quality players that can play in his system consistently and some major injuries to important players. All these I believe will be fixed overtime and with contracts running out in the summer, it would be perfect for to wait and spend during the summer period. As of now, Pep is trying to implement his system in a team full of players that can't really replicate good performances in that system as a team. I really believe with a few more players, we can actually turn into a pretty formidable team under Pep.

Scoreline prediction results from this weekend

1st place: drogbalampard with 2 correct (Lei vs Che & Hul vs Bou)
2nd place: Bazinga with 1 correct (Mun vs Liv)
3rd place: Everyone else
4th place: .......cue whichever arsenal joke you prefer here
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Arsenal should make an appearance in Star Wars with all that fourth they have!
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Nice lol
I plead the fourth 🙂 Edit- I plead the fifth 😆
Wenger be like:

I'm the one with the fourth. The fourth is with me.
I'm the one with the fourth. The fourth is with me.
I'm the one with the fourth. The fourth is with me.
I'm the one with the fourth. The fourth is with me.
I'm the one with the fourth. The fourth is with me.
+3
United can star in the Revenge in the Sixth too!!
+1
Ya'll just be thankful we haven't executed order 66 yet
Is Bravo the sh*test goalkeeper ever? or just in the PL?
+2
What next for Pep guys? Apparently he says we don't need to improve our defending or need any defensive players, so what next? Continue and hope for the best? That does not work in the PL. Edit - That was for our forum, but feel free to answer.
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I'm pretty sure he knows the defense needs to improve - in the public eye and in front of the media he is just trying to protect his players to keep the pressure off them.
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"I don't teach players how to tackle" "We dont need to improve our defending"

Comments like that shows how stubborn he is and does not want to adapt...Most top managers are like that.
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I agree Baz. I actually saw this coming despite our hasty start winning games and people getting carried away. If you go back some pages on this forum I believe I said teams will figure us out and Pep will struggle to finish even top 4 this season but my comments were not acknowledged lol, but it is coming to pass.

I do believe if we had all our players he would still struggle maybe not as much but his one way style will not cut it with our current players and especially in the PL. You just can't have 11 midfielders all the time.

I believe just like how players adapt to what suits a manager sometimes a manager need to see what players excels at and adapt to them, best of both worlds, everyone can't do everything at world class level, it's impossible.

Put Zabaleta in midfield and expect a Verrati or Matuidi performance just never gonna happen lol
He should have signed more squad players in the summer when he had the chance instead of playing aged defenders in midfield.
Playing a RB as a midfielder seems to be a pet peeve for him, for some reason. He made a complete full back Lahm into a midfielder and it worked but largely due to the fact that Lahm is technically very good and a very good defender. To think it would work with Zabaleta also is quite naive.
At the moment it's backfiring a lot and making him look clueless
The Bravo Hart situation is also strange, but I didn't think Bravo would be such a flop.
His handling of the media has been quite poor too.
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Why was it naive to think it could work with Zabaleta?
Guardiolas team defence was their ball possession and it worked for a while at Barca and Bayern.
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Well, It never worked at Bayern. The team played awful in most of the big games Pep managed. All those games vs Pep's former club Barca or Real were such disasters. He kept trying the same thing which was to pack the midfield, and try to tiki taka over Barcelona but failed at it miserably. Then went for it again in the return leg and got thrown out. Rinse and repeat.
With Bayern's squad winning the Bundesliga was never in doubt, but the Champions League performance was so awful. Holding a high line with slow defenders versus fast strikers, and getting ripped on the counter was a regular sight.. A far cry from the counter attacking Bayern that won the UCL just some time before he arrived.
Too stubborn to tweak his philosophy even in the in the slightest and way to naive when it comes to adapting with the payers he had at his disposal. Even with all the injuries Bayern, he played the same way with makeshift players out of position and it was just a joke towards the end.

City is proving to be the same so far, and with just an average squad his mistakes are magnified ten folds.
+4
Hmm fair enough, I mean I feel his use of Zabelata is more drawn out of necessity than naivety - missing the likes of Fernandinho and Gundogan among others.
+2
Jo Hart be like

https://youtu.be/h8Heu3qWvKo
+3
It's Joe bro, get it right for the Legend 🙂
+1
it's not joe bro, its 'Joe Hart' get it right :P
https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/820670395447590912

Really want this to become a meme hahaha

GG tho, tough one without Matip and Clyne at the back.
+1
Could get a retroactive ban for it considering I'm guessing the ref didn't see it in-game
+1
Worst RKO I've ever seen smh
+3
Yellow card offense. Shouldn't get a ban.
+1
Costa, Zlatan , Sanchez all on 14 goals and Kane right behind them
the race to the top goalscorer
Kane was injured for 2 months so I'd say he's done well.
+1
Costa doesn't take pens so I'd say he's been terrific
+1
No doubt
Alexis has been put on the wing since big sexy has been banging them in
^ which is what I think the reason is why he threw that little hissy fit when being subbed off. The guy wants to win golden boot and to take him off against Swansea...He prob felt there were a few more to be had.
He needs to learn to put the team before himself
I'm sure he'll have a moment of realization about that. Welbeck needed those minutes way more than Alexis does.
@FootballDoc: If there is any player who puts the team before himself, it is Alexis Sanchez.


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