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http://benchwarming.com/which-epl-manager-are-you/


I got ' The special one ' Muahahahahahha
Roberto Martinez :)
Roberto Martinez :D
Arsene Wenger

I think the 'shouting at the ref whilst pulling on your zipper' did it for me :D
Arsene Wenger likewise :D

I think I would replace a player who spent last night at a club with a young, promising player.
harry f*****g redknapp
Le Prof.

Excellent.
Hahahahaha @SIF
I got Pellegrini
Roberto Martinez.
We Back strong !!!!!!!!!!!
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Hot off the press, here is your full line-up for the Capital One Cup quarter-final...

Derby v Chelsea
Tottenham v Newcastle
Bournemouth v Liverpool
Sheffield United v Southampton
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Let's all remember the impeccable record Derby holds in the Prem with the lowest points total ever with only 11 points.
How about the best player of the year? Who did you like most?
I would give that award to Robben, he had a huge contribution in his team's World Cup run. I don't like his attitude and begging for penalties, he was brilliant on the WC tho.
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I would give it to a German preferably Thomas Mueller.
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I don't like this award at all, because it claims to be "the best footballer of the year" when instead it's "the best goalscorer of the year, who didn't have a long ban". Defensive players and goalkeepers have no chance for the award even though they are the most vital players for the trophy winning teams.
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Awards are often given to attacing player, but the past few years the attackers have been well deserving. They have been scoring goals like it's nothing to the point that scoring goals are not appreciated enough and we forget how difficult it is to score goals. When Messi scored 92 goals in one year and smashed Muller's record, there were still people saying he didn't deserve it. Like scoring 92 goals something that can easily be done and not special enough to win player of the year.
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I just want to point out one of the official rules for deciding on the nominees for the Ballon d'Or

"The Awards are bestowed according to on-field performance and overall behaviour on and off the pitch."

That should pretty much put to rest why Suarez was not included. BUT i do want to point out that Jose Mourinho was still nominated (got into top 3) the year in which he had his famous eye gouge incident. So no consistency there from FIFA if that is the reason why Suarez was excluded.
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Sweeper Keeper wins it
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"the point that scoring goals are not appreciated enough" lol you mean like how strikers and scoring wingers keep racking up those Ballon d'Or years in years out yeah really not appreciated enough. Where players like Xavi, Iniesta and Sneijder has yet to win one Ballon d'Or and they're the main reason creating chances for those so call strikers to score goals.
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The point of football is to score goals and win games not complete the most passes flicks and through balls. If someone is outclassing everyone else in goals and trophies they should win the balon d'or imo
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fabio cannavaro won it. hes a defender and a worthy winner but then again if a certain someone didnt headbutt someone he would of won it instead i think.

its just that right now we have two players that are far above everyone else.
@SIF, the point of football is to score goals and win games, according to you.

So does that mean passing to create chances for the striker to score isn't important?

Stopping the opposition from doing it by tackling and intercepting isn't important?

It's like saying the waiter should be paid more because he's the guy who gives you food. Who cares about the chef who made it? It's the waiter who's giving you food, right?

I agree with the fact that if someone outclasses everyone else in goals and trophies, they should win it. But there should at least be an award for the defenders, keepers and midfielders.
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@SIF in other word everyone should be a goal scorers and f**k all defending and creating chances, just try and beat everyone and scores goals hey that a good idea maybe Neuer should start doing those long range shot too since as long you score more goals you'll get better recognition lol...
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Have always been a big fan of the defensive side of games, and quite honestly, it's much easier being the attacking player these days since the benefit of the doubt has shifted and fouls are called more easily than before. For the record, I have always preferred defensive players over attacking players, hence the reason why I am one of those, King Lucas, that said Messi did not deserve it that year. I believe my choice was Xavi.

On another note, where the heck have you defensive football lovers been all this while? ;)
No, a defender should win it if they deserve it, like Cannavaro did in 06.

The question is, is there any defender at the moment who does a comparable job as a defender as Ronaldo and Messi do as strikers?

Nope.

Ronaldo and Messi are by far the best footballers the world has seen in a long, long time and until they retire and start to decline, everyone else should expect to finish behind at least one or both of them
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I think Lahm deserves a shout, he is an excellent player and instrumental to Bayern and Germany's success this year. In addition to that Lahm has shown what a great leader he is on and off the pitch and I feel that should count for something.

So yes I would put Lahm ahead of both Messi and Ronaldo. There, I said it.
mine is as pragmatic a view as you can get. football is a team sport, you cannot do anything in the game by yourself.

however, the whole point of playing football is the 3 points or the win. you win by scoring more than your opponent, therefore scoring and winning go hand in hand. the best player always is the most decisive..and the hardest thing in this sport is scoring a goal. more often than not the best player or motm will be the one who scored the goals. therefore it makes sense that if a player is scoring way more goals than his peers, and by extension being more decisive in matches and winning more points, he should be considered the best.

as a fan we appreciate assists and skill and trickery and passing, those are the nuts and bolts of the game, but the goals are still the most important part of the sport so it makes sense that goal scorers get the plaudits.
SIF - But to score you need someone who can create chances or assist...and after scoring you need defenders and GK to sustain the lead.

yes everyone is playing for scoring goals and win games...but that does not happen unless you have balanced team with good players at every position..starting from the GK to striker.

Nobody remembers beginning of the movie...all reviews depend on the ending..probably why GK get least recognition because they start the move followed by CDM, CAM and strikers who end it
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Bazinga there are plenty of players who create goals from nothing but that's besides the point.

If you have a player far out performing their peers, ie 50 assists etc, then they would enter the discussion for poty. Otherwise what's the objective basis for winning a best footballer award? it becomes a popularity contest if you dont have an object means of selecting individuals.

the main thing is being the most decisive. if it is playmaker contributing more goals/assists than anyone else or otherwise winning and outperforming everyone else, then that person would deserve it. if a defender or goalkeeper is so outstanding they win you games you shouldn't win consistently then they would enter the discussion. imo it's about being the most decisive to outcomes in matches, title or cup runs, etc. the mostly likely candidates these days would be the goalscorers as ronaldo/messi etc get a goal or more per game, talk less of their assists, and influence more games than anyone else.
Coach of the year anyone?

My nominees out of the bunch would be Ancelotti, Loew, Simeone.
I think Loew might nick it. My vote goes to Ancelotti although any of the above deserve it.
Simeone for me.
WC winner usually gets it, but Simeone deserves it more than anyone imo.
Ancelotti took Madrid and helped them win the UCL title in his first season. That's one hell of a achievement even with the quality Madrid has. Loew probably lead the most dangerous national team in the past 6 years. Went to Euro Finals in 2008, 3rd place in 2010, semis in Euro 2012 and won the world cup in 2014. Simone lead the dark horse in the UCL last season and considering how much every point was worth in the la liga, they still continued in the UCL and won the la liga and went to the finals of the CL. You look at his team and you compare it to other top teams and his team didn't have the kind of depth other top teams have but he still lead his team to believe they can win.

All three deserve an award for their work.
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simeone was one minute away from CL and la liga double.

pretty harsh to win a world cup and not get a coaching award though.. maybe they can share it lol
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Simeone for me as well. This might be his biggest chance to win it in years, I really hope he gets it.

I admire Ancelotti, but have you seen his squad last year? He had by far the best team in the world, Real Madrid is overflowing with talent, with the two most expensive players in the history of the game and each wing. Even with that, he finished 3rd in the league (I feel like people keep forgetting this) and was 1 minute away to losing the final - and that's against an Atletico side without their best player who had to be taken off in the opening minutes of the game.

Simeone was far, far more consistent than Ancelotti was last year. Simeone's side didn't have nearly the same depth or quality that the Madrid, Barca, Bayern sides had, yet they were imo the best team in Europe last year.

If that doesn't make him deserve the award, then I don't know what does.
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Simeone..Period!
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Pepe will end up winning it
No doubt in my mind Simeone deserves it most. He did the most damage with the least amount of talent and resourses, hands down.
Simeone...he was 1 minute from winning CL
How's winning with Real Madrid worth anything? I mean you've assembled a team full of stars.. Not winning with them is a joke. Simeone came to the top of the league with a much lower budget, and as said before minutes away to winning double; Now, that's an achievement worth of an award.

Winning the world cup? Probably deserve a mention but then again, it is not like he won the World cup with Singapore or Poland.. He won it leading a German team; Probably the most consistent country on performing at the highest level.

If the award should be given based on merit, Simeone seems to be the rightful winner. Then again it is just an opinion from a football junkie with no real professional experience. I leave it to the Associations and pros to decide.
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Agreed with azeal. Nearly everybody here is saying Loew shouldn't win it because he had more than enough resources to win the WC, so it was easy.

how is that different for ancellotti? plus real were 3rd in the league. give it to simeone
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I'm a little surprised Ancelotti made it to the shortlist at all. His team won the CL yes but he made many questionable tactical decisions all year and I think Madrid fans would agree that he did just enough not to rock the boat, but nothing spectacular as a manager.
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Even though I think Ancelotti did a great job Simeone should win it!
What if what if Southamton were to win the title :0 :) That would surely drive some club owners crazy, Mourinho would definitely be fired, Wenger would still have his job secured (he is fireproof), Pellegrini might escape, just because he won the Title last year and their aren't many top managers on the market, Rodgers might be gone for practically buying Southampton and then letting them win the league, Van Gaal would be Van Gone after demolition Manchester United's treasure chest and letting a team that the squad cost less than about 2 or 3 of their top players finish above them, of course all this is just a little speculation :)
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There are other prizes to be won. League, FA and CL cups all help managers keep their jobs.
^MK Dons to win the League Cup!
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Unless Utd and Chelsea can find better manager in the market which they aren't I don't see Mourinho gone nor Van Gaal especially in his first season. Their aren't many managers better then Mou and Van Gaal just sitting in the market but I guess Mou would face lots of pressure if he doesn't win the title this season.

On the other hand Southampton have been good but they haven't face anyone that posses as an actual threat to them apart from the Spurs and they lost. Unless they can beat Utd, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool and still keep a consistent wining form by the middle of the season they can be clear contenders but then again that's asking for a lot out of Southampton and I don't know if its possible for them. Although they have been amazing.
They won't win it but if they somehow manage to finish in the top 4? man that would be something.
What has been clear so far is that Southampton shows that when the vision of a coach and the directors are in unison, specially with a coach who knows the players he wants (ex Pelle) and what they can give him, you can exceed expectations.
Well played Newcastle. I know that everyone is talking about Mourinho and stuff about Man U... I saw 3 matches this weekend: Liverpool - Hull, Swansea - Leicester and Tottenham Newcastle. Guess which match was most entertaining to watch? It was the Tot-New match. Team from 10th place and team from 18th place in the table (before the match) plays more attractive and with more quality football than teams above them in table... Just sometimes the upper teams are being overrated and everyone is talking about how good they are, that confirms that comments like: "Man City is most entertaining team to watch" are often false.
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The league in itself lacks quality mate. It has been like this for a while now. That is why you see english teams struggling in champions league. Yes it more exciting in the sense its more end to end and physical. But in terms of quality - bundesliga and la liga is where its at.
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You're right. It's just surprising for me that the teams on 6th or 7th place of table are lacking quality of play. I think it was different like 4 years ago, where teams on 5th, 6th places in table (that time it was Aston Villa) played really entertaining football.
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With the exception of Suarez leaving I think the tide turned a bit this year. Di Maria, Sanchez, Cesc and Costa all left Spain for England. The new TV deal for the PL has a broad effect on how English teams can spend. With that spending power in a few years time the balance will shift even more. Barca and Madrid will always be big spending clubs but the rest of Spain will continue to suffer if La Liga doesn't do something to even the playing field in regards to spending.
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@Chelsea61 What you said is very true about talent coming to England this year, but I think it's like a drowning man's last gasp of breath. Don't get me wrong, the EPL is financially the strongest league in the world and will definitely bounce back from this, but I think for the next 3-4 years, the gap between EPL and La Liga / BuLi will increase.

Look at the young talent playing in Germany especially right now, even in smaller teams like Wolfsburg -- the scores of classy players that German and Spanish clubs are producing will dominate football for a while. Eventually though, the revenues coming from EPL's enduring global popularity should balance things out.

Oh but Chelsea is exempt from this whole discussion though. You guys are the CL monster who refuses to die! *shakes fist*
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The fact of the matter is that watching a team like rayo vallecano play athletic bilbao is more boring than paint drying. The german League has loads of talent and probably the best style of play but as a league its shitty due to bayerns financial dominance. La Liga is the same.
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I wrote about this on the Barca forum the other day: it's about context.

Rayo Vallecano is a working class club in Madrid who play with great spirit and always play positive. They are like Ian Holloway's Blackpool three years ago, remember how much fun that was?

Anyway I am not trying to force my opinion down your throat... EPL is undoubtedly more fun because more people follow it and that makes it exciting. But once you have the right context and you know the character of the La Liga clubs, they're as great to watch too :)
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@khessler,I think the teams you selected here to talk about boring football are the teams which playing highly entertaining football.athletic club have lot of fans around world due to their high pressing and fast tempo football.and same can be said to rayo as well.Even Carlo ancelotti said once that he told his players to watch rayo play week in week out..
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You may be right Tanmay. It will take some time for the balance to shift in terms of where the best players ply their trade. But the balance between mid-lower level teams in the 2 leagues will IMO change much faster. The best middle class/aging heroes/young top prospects are being dragged to England in droves.

The gap in revenue and actual spending power just took a massive leap with the contract from NBC and the money it gives English teams. That will change things pretty quick. To put it in perspective, Fullham made more money being bottom of of the table than United did winning the title the year before.

That said, if you look at how UEFA have "randomly put together" almost the same groups for the CL it kind of points to the most obvious ploys to generate that same amount of revenue and maintain the same hierarchy of clubs. That's fine with me but its not good news for any club that wants to take the same road Chelsea, City and PSG took. :/
+2
I think many of us PL fans don't watch much of the la liga and assume its boring just because Madrid, Atletico and Barca are the most popular teams there. I started watching the la liga more often now and it is quite an exciting league, I like watching both teams. Tanmay and 4ever can it on point describing both Athletic Bilbao and Rayo.
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I said it before and I will say it again. La Liga is boring to follow closely because it is a two team league. Atletico winning last year was nothing short of a miracle (respect to Atletico for the hard work they put in) when we consider the talent and depth Madrid/Barca have. The 2 clubs are dominant because the other teams are inferior financially. In EPL however most mid table teams can spend a good amount and get decent players. These players make things a bit difficult for the big boys, which makes the league unpredictable and interesting.
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yeay another la liga/epl bashing ceremony. glad to see this again.





not.
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@Chelsea man I didn't know that about the new deal EPL clubs have got. You may well be right!

@KingLucas

So you're telling me West Ham United is more fun to watch than Sevilla? Everton more fun than Villarreal? Swansea more than Bilbao?

See you guys say these things, but when the Ander Herreras, Silvas, Negredos, Michus come to EPL they suddenly become stars and entertaining players. How is that happening?

Again, I'm not forcing my opinion down your throats, but the fact remains that EPL mid table teams are much worse than equivalent La Liga teams. You don't have to care and it's okay to like a league for context, but please don't make up things as you go along.
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While we are having this argument here are the top 5 points table:

EPL : 23, 19, 17, 16, 14
LL : 22, 22, 21, 20, 20

if there were amazing english speaking shows like MOTD and Monday night football La liga would be just as awesome to more people who don't know it from the core.
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Tanmay - what do you mean by "More fun to watch"?
Everton will beat Villarreal 8 out of 10 times.

And Sevilla should not be compared with West ham at all....Maybe with Spurs and against spurs will beat them 8 out of 10 times.

121barca - LOL!! too early mate...Wait untill Jan and the tables Will look like this.

LL: 42 , 40 , 30 , 28, 21
EPL: 43, 40 , 38, 37, 35
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@Tammay I was talking about the lack of competition not playing styles.
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@bazinga,honest question? How many la liga matches do you see in every week?
4ever - Honestly... I only watch Real or Barca game and not all of them.

That is why I'm not debating on which league is better..my point is only about the challenge for Top 4 position is much tougher here..I can tell Real or Barca are going to win the title even before the season starts, but in PL its up for grab until Feb or March before you find the 2 houses for title..again this is just my opinion based what I follow by checking the tables regularly
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^ I don't think its going to be just Barca and Madrid. Atletico are only 2 points behind Barca and a point behind Madrid, not only that they beat Madrid 2 twice so I don't think its as easy as you think. Valencia and Sevilla are playing really well and inform teams and Villarreal are always tough customers to handle. I think lots of people again "assume" its a two horse race but its not! If you took the time to watch it, you would know.

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@bazinga,I appreciate your honesty,but that's the point am arguing with.Many fans here assumes la liga is boring with out watching much of game.you can't assess the quality of villa real if you doesn't watch them enough.IMO you guys should watch la liga and bundes liga more to realize how good those leagues are..
4ever - Nobody is questioning about quality of Liga, because the domination of Liga and German teams in CL and EL is proof of the quality.....I agree that it is not fair to compare both leagues without watching games. But, I think Real and Barca are just too good for other teams to challenge.

IMO Atletico's effort last season was truly special and it will be hard to repeat the same again. Because it took a 10 years before someone could break that Real/Barca trend.

while in PL we have 3 different clubs fighting for title since last 10 years....(5)United, (3)Chelsea, (2)City.

So can i say PL is a bit more unpredictable compared to Liga ?

I watch all the leagues when I can(work is a bitch) and I have to say if you're not worried about quality and purely watch football to be entertained like I do, the Bundesliga is the most exciting. The league has style, what it lacks in quality it makes up for in raw passion and fast aggressive play, it's end to end stuff. Add in some great FK takers in the league and it's just really enjoying to watch. Sure there are bigger matches that are awesome in the other leagues, el classico for example. But an average match between mid table teams is better to watch than the other league's midtable clashes.

Italian league = tactical defending, slow purposeful buildup for attacks, great crossing.
Spanish = tactical, possession and counter, great strikes and intricate moves from top teams only.
EPL = Fast, physical, arm wrestle style matches. Good aerial goals.
Bundesliga = what's defending? Just fkn score goals!! High pressure defending, end to end counters cos both teams are usually aggressive. Some great strikers in the league to entertain you, plus the stadium fans are fkn awesome.
2 horse race arguments is biggest BS in this kind of discussion , EPL fans love to point out that Laliga is gona be won by two teams but don't want to apply same logic to their own league , Usually by this time of the season you already know which two teams are gonna fight for title ( for this season it city and Chelsea ) and more ofthen then not either of this teams endup winning the league .

Just like last season was bit different for laliga it was also different for EPL as arsenal was leading the table for quite a few weeks and then Liverpool decided to force the issue during later half of the season .

I don't agree with unpredictability too , as i said its just matter of few game weeks before this predictability wear off's and neither i agree that everton will beat Villarreal 8 out of 10 times , now Villarreal is the team with 3rd highest TV revenue deal , which i'm sure is still less then what everton gets , i am quite sure if you put Villarreal on same exposure level as everton gets for being an English club and put them on level with broadcasting revenue they will do quite better then everton , same goes for sevila or other Laliga teams like Bilba , real soc , valencia .
@bazinga,Epl most competitive league compared to other important league in Europe,am not denying the fact though if Chelsea play continuously the way they play now,it could going to one horse league,lol.That being said,la liga could be more competitive than past in coming years as atleti stay in top as long as simeone stays and valancia going to become a great team under New wealthy owner.I only coming from where some of fans here telling its a s**t league and boring.

@zilch,my classification are,

1. La liga. - Quality.
2. Bundes liga. - Entertainment
3. Serie a. - Toughest
4.Epl. - Competitive.

Deal or no deal?
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Pretty accurate yeh. I watch the big games in La Liga, teams like Arsenal, Southampton, Everton, City etc in EPL, most games I can in the Bundesliga and can't stand Serie A. As I said, I want to be entertained regardless of quality so German is great for me :)
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This discussion turned out to be about comparing La Liga and EPL. The point I wanted to talk about is that only the top 4 teams + Manchester U are playing football worth to watch. Liverpool plays terrible these days. Also I didn't expect that Tottenham will play such high pace and pretty much attacking football - considering they lost Bale and A. Lennon has lost his form. It's almost like a miracle that they can still play nice football. The reason why they lost to Newc. was that the opponents put every single effort in defense and were waiting for the breaks - that's why it was well played by Newc.
121 barca: that actually kinda supports lucas' point, small teams in the epl (bottom 10) can, and have, gotten results against the top 10 and even top 5, which makes it interesting and you can't ease up in any game.

in la liga, the bottom 10 can't beat their top 5, so it's less interesting from that standpoint.
Ah the weekly EPL circle jerk. Glad to see it
You along with La Liga fans showed up for it... ^
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Every now and then I need to read idiotic comments for a bit of entertainment. Nice comeback, how old are we?
s**t, looks like i missed this tedious war of words! oh well, i'll just catch the next one in a week or so

/lame
@Chanman

http://www.footytube.com/leagues/germany/bundesliga-2/?ref=search_as
For the record, I don't have much to say on the whole "which league is the most exciting" arguement. My arguement is strictly based on the financial swing that just took place last season. NBC just bought the broadcasting rights for the PL in North America. Previously to this, the EPL had no large stake in North America.

Pretty much an untapped market with almost no EPL games being televised, now shows almost every EPL game every weekend. This contract is worth Billions to the EPL, Billions! That money is almost all being directly infused into the 20 teams in the league. It's the reason why teams like Hull City can now spend £70 mil in one Transfer Window. This is going to change everything in a matter of years.

The arguement that one league is better or more entertaining is subjective and you'll get a different answer from almost any member of this site.
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'put Villarreal on same exposure and broadcasting revenue level as Everton... they will do quite better then Everton.' [phased this for length]


That's probably right Malik but ignores that they are not on the same level of exposure and broadcasting revenue. So many great players are leaving La Liga to the Premiership due to money. It's like arguing Arsenal are the best team in the league as Nasri, RVP and Cesc are great in their new teams.
^ well,surprising this argument isn' yet closed.am a regular watcher of both teams,would still say,whatever the disadvantages Villarreal have,they still better teams than Everton.
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How funny it would be if the table finished like this at the end of the season.

Southampton and West Ham in the champions league :D
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Oh no, our 4th place trophy !!! :P
+2
Somebody post the gif of Mourinho's face after Van Persie scored.
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Not a gif but if you skip to 2:22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkFBMvLPD4
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you know your brothers on the Utd forum have got your back ;-)

https://vine.co/v/OhLULXvKmKL
+6
Looks like the expression of manager who`s team just conceded a goal in the last minute
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More like last few seconds...
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^Exactly, and because it's Mourinho it is like any normal manager x2 and therefore hilarious.
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why remove my comments , gimme a damn clue ,
respect old members ?
potatoes are awesome!!
Because you have the Alan Pardew inside of you ....
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5
5
4
0
9
20
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