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On top of being teams from Manchester both Manchester clubs have the same draws/wins, same goals for, and same goals allowed. Talk about a tight race.
Chelsea has had some tough games and they are just 3 points off with the one-off first day loss. Stay tuned buddy this is going to be the best year of football in a long long time.

Today, not for one second did I think about United. I thought of Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal ;-)
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f**k that Burnley game. Bullshit start to the season and I'm still salty af about it. :3
Yeah, but City will always be ahead of United in name and class ;)

@tomi yeah right lmao, I bet we were the only thing on his mind, probably trying to figure out a gameplan for the derby as we speak lol.
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Maybe ahead on name, but way behind in the trophy cabinet ;)
^^Hey, hey those are Liverpool fans' lines boasting about the past:D
Let's talk about the present shall we?
http://www.espnfc.com/manchester-united/story/3139563/manchester-united-named-worlds-most-valuable-club-by-forbes
@joey, we'll get there you can bet on that ;) The skies are looking Blue.
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You can all stop with your delusions of grandeur, i think its obvious we're coming for you all. Dismantling the mighty Stoke and the defensive force of West Ham were both clearly just stepping stones on the path to Newcastle being league champions.

Whilst im at it i also have us down to sign Messi on a free and for Jack Colback to emerge as the greatest CM of our generation.

You heard it here first people!
But you already have Shelvey. There no place for Messi!
United w/ more trophies in the last year than City, Fooooooty. As close to the present as we're gonna get, this season should be a cracker :)
^^Fair enough & hope you continue challenging for those trophies you won "LAST YEAR" and we do for the rest :P
Its pretty obvious that since Ferguson left Manchester has been blue and its been YEARS since Ferguson left
Crystal Palace 5 games, no wins and no goals.

How the hell does Woy begin to motivate players when your fixture is
Manchester City, Manchester United, Chelsea and Newcastle. I see them staying at the bottom all season.
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I wouldnt hold out much hope for them at this point. Woy has certainly got his work cut out for him.
They should have went for Pardew
Hiring Pardiola again would have literally been resigning themselves to being in the Championship!
Its my birthday and its a good day
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Whoa me too!
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Happy birthday guys. party like it's 1969!
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Whoa me three! Nah I'm kidding, hope you guys see many more.
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Thanks guys. After last night's Tequila, i don't wanna live another day let alone till my next bday hahaha
Hope our PL teams can go far in the UCL this year.

Oh and Crystal Palace loses again, I hope they like the change they were looking for, muppets for the sacking.
Wow, not even a goal yet. I'm not a fan of the sacking culture in English football, but do you really think De Boer could have turned it around? They weren't playing good football.
There are 5 EPL teams in the competition. I would expect 2 at the very least to go to the quarter finals.
^^yup, there's absolutely no excuse of not making it at least to the quarters, and anything less than that is a failure, especially for us.
@joe, it was just four games, you don't win the league in 4 games, who's to say he couldn't have turned it around like Conte did after his poor start? It's a marathon not a sprint. It's Crystal Palace, the owners think they are Everton? They have been knocking on relegation door for a couple seasons now. You brought in the manager to do a job, change the style whatever, he's new to the league and there are other factors you could look at why Palace are doing so poorly, they could have given him a bit more time four games is ridiculous, I have a feeling they are going to get relegated and it would be justice for De Boer.

@footy I believe all our teams can go far. The tactical set up for Spurs was brilliant against Dortmund, if they can really sure up their defending they can go far, same goes for Liverpool, especially Liverpool. United should be able to get out of groups, not sure how they will do against the big boys, the Real and Bayern etc, I think because of the youth and the lack of experience against such teams might be against them, especially if they play with naivety. That said footy is played on the day and anything is possible.

Oh and Kante could win it for Chelsea:)
@Silva, I agree, and I think you're probably right that they could easily be relegated. Obviously the season is long, and like I said I definitely disagree with the motive, just thought I'd play devil's advocate here because Palace have been just terrible with hardly any sign of improvement.
Lol I don't know if they will improve any further under Roy either lol, we'll see.
Question for you all.
I am concerned by evertons loss to atalanta in terms of the EPL at large. Everton Basically got dismantled by them today and proved little threat in attack. Why and how is this possible for everton to seem impotent against a club with such little resources in comparison?
What I believe may be the issue is that against atalanta, everton fancied themselves a bigger club and so they played more attacking football and thusly got badly exposed. Obviously everton hasnt done well this season regardless of this result but is the emphasis of the mid table and bottom table clubs to defend for life and hope for a counter or set play what is holding them back in terms of the europe at large? We say the EPL is the deepest league and but maybe its just that clubs in other countries recognize that having an attacking identity and fluidity is more important then holding on for dear life against better teams. I try to watch a majority of the games every weekend, and when two lower talf of the table teams play the football is always frustratingly limited. In germany, spain and italy there is much more joy and talent on display.
It is rare but whenever a non top 6 team plays in europe (aside from leicester) they never do well. Is it this focus of playing so defensively in the league that is the reason for their inability to open up and attack affectively? Is the talent at mid table and below just not that good in the grand scheme of things? Im not taking a piss here on the clubs. Its a concern i wish to discuss.
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This is a very fair question and I don't think anyone will be bothered by you asking it.

I definitely think you've identified one of the key factors: mid-table EPL teams set themselves up to stifle the top-6 and -- usually -- out muscle the other mid-table teams. A lot of their players are less talented technically and tactically, but very talented physically.

You also make a good point regarding Everton's mindset going into the game; they likely underestimated their opponent and that cost them.

EPL teams have a lot of pretty crappy coaches who know they will be fired in a month or two if they get on a losing streak. The combination of fear of losing and crappy tactics makes a lot of our mid-table teams pretty ineffectual. Many of the mid-table teams in Europe's other top leagues actually try to out football the big fishes in their leagues. This means that they get their asses kicked a lot, but it also means the players and teams actually develop...well, sometimes.
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Yeah really good question, and I think KGB added an important caveat to the answer--that managers fear losing their jobs if they don't get results in the league. I mean, look at Ranieri, it's still ridiculous to me that he got fired.

I was discussing something similar with a friend concerning the back-3s. I've been noting that when big clubs go up against each other in these formations (say, Chelsea vs Spurs), it's usually a genuine attempt to counter the other and get on the front foot somehow. When "smaller" clubs play back-3s, they're usually back 5's and result in some pretty one-sided games in which they rely on counters for their chances. I mean, there's a validity in playing that way in the league, but I definitely think it could be hindering their success in the long run. Those clubs will always be reactionary.

Additionally, I think the things you pointed to are the reasons why you see teams like Atalanta in Europe, whereas it's usually the same 7 or 8 teams from England making these European competitions.
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Spanish, Italian leagues just have much more technically gifted footballers, and better managers from top to bottom.

Everton made a huge error spending 70-80m on Klassen, Sigurddsen and Rooney, who are really the same type of player. They have zero pace in the side.

BUT, their fixture list is horrendous: City away, Chelsea away, Spurs at home, Atlanta away, now United away. I mean how crazy is that lol.
Personally I think that there is an underdog mentality that hinders teams.

When 'lesser' teams in the EPL come up against the big boys they try to frustrate them by sitting deep and being well organised. The hope is that a chance for a breakaway counter will present itself.

The media love an underdog and if you can stomach the imbeciles who commentate the games they praise a well-drilled defence and stubborn resistance because they sometimes cause an upset.

The emphasis then shifts towards the physical attributes needed to press and hustle the opposition for 90 minutes rather than the technical skill needed to manoeuvre the ball around the park.

Thats why Sean Dyche is (to my astonishment) a genuine fans (some of them) wish for the England job because people think he will make us well organised and harder to beat.

The old clichés really are just truisms.

La Liga = technical
Serie A = tactical
EPL = physical
To be honest I watch a lot of games from most of the leagues and the "physicality" of the EPL i think its not anymore physical then the other main leagues, at least the bundesliga and serie a. I think the overall culture in england is always regressive. So many es players will praise the bad teams for defensive displays where essentially the viewer must watch one team play football while the other plays permanent defense with no interest in attack. It is that same mentality that they crush the england national team for.

Its that culture that also probably hinders the development of youth players as they end up turning into these rather generic players such as a Henderson or one of the many pacey wingers with limited creativity, such as Walcott, OX, Sterling. Players like Kane and Dele and rashford have really broken that mold I think but so many english players reach a ceiling they simply cant break through. I remember when Wilshere was having his incredible season for arsenal Xavi caused controvery by saying "hes is a very nice player... We have about 20 of him at the barca academy"

That seems to be true both in spain, germany and italy, they pump out new young talent that weve never heard of.

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Everton's biggest mistake was selling Lukaku and then using that money to buy midfielders...some teams are good if they have a top striker that can finish irregardless of who is playing behind him. Kind of like Arsenal with Van Persie, they haven't seen a good day since they sold him to united.
I agree with those who think it's the greed for money that has made owners of mid table clubs ditch any ambition of playing good football for effective football. Most teams in la liga don't suffer any significant losses when they drop down and with Real and Barca taking all the money they don't necessarily make huge money from staying up either. They can chose to play good football as they aren't under much pressure and actually enjoy themselves.

The sacking of De Boer absolutely typifies this trend. Here's a manager who's been brought in to change a teams style quite drastically and he's sacked after 4 games just as his team is beginning to get to grasp with his style. Against Burnley away they were the better team with Burnley players having to make a couple of goal line clearances. They should have won and only lost bcos if a silly back pass and they have gone for "Woy" who hasn't managed at club level for 4 years just bcos he's the next bet thing to Pulis and Allardyce. What a shame.
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Can a mod please sort this childish exchange out?
Personal grudges don't belong here, City fans.
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Yikes, this is an ugly thread.

Bazinga, AgueroCity, Foooty: Steer clear of each other for a while, please. All three of you are now constantly baiting each other and violating the spirit of FootyTube. A couple of years ago, comments like those in this thread would likely have seen you banned from this site. We are more relaxed now but you guys really need to cut some of these habits out of your comments.
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Alright guys - I am going to delete this thread in few hours

This is total degradation of the forum

@AgueroCity - I had warned you against these sort of posts. Strike 2 (this will go on your wall so don't think it gets deleted with the thread).

@Footy & Bazinga - take this to your walls please there is lots you guys need to hash out
Frank de Boer is the first manager gone
That was too quick!!
I don't know if anyone here plays Fifa, but I think we need Deli Alli's new finger celebration.
I want Pardew's FA Cup dance in FIFA. Never has an English man had more swag then him in that moment.
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Anyone from southern US, Cuba or any Caribbean islands?

If so, best of luck with all the hurricanes... I hope you can all find safety and don't lose everything in the process. Seems like the world is shrugging humanity off to save itself.
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No one talking about the Premier League clubs agreeing to move the summer transfer deadline to the Thursday before the season starts. Thoughts?

On the one hand, I like the idea of forcing every club to get their business done before the first game. I think this will help all clubs in he long-run. On the other hand, will it only work if the other European leagues agree? That was my first thought, but the more I think about it, if we s a league get our business done sooner, this will put pressure on the other leagues to do the same.
Well the positive is that we won't have an Oxlade Chamberlain situation. The negative is that once the deadline passes, the other leagues (assuming their deadline remains) will try to poach the prem's best players and we now cannot sign a replacement. Thats my only fear with this. Otherwise i like it.


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Top Goalscorers

 
S. Agüero
5
R. Lukaku
5
J. Vardy
4
Gabriel Jesus
4
Álvaro Morata
3
R. Sterling
3
A. Martial
3
Mohamed Salah
3
D. Welbeck
3
S. Mané
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Seeing Red

David Luiz
3 1
R. Sterling
2 1
H. Robson-Kanu
1 1
Fàbregas
1 1
S. Mané
1 1
K. Walker
1 1
M. Britos
1 1
M. Schneiderlin
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M. Arnautović
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J. Shelvey
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14
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16
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14
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16
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4
5
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10
3
5
8
1
1
3
5
3
9
2
4
6
2
0
3
5
4
8
4
3
7
1
2
2
5
5
8
2
3
5
1
2
2
5
6
8
1
5
6
1
2
2
5
7
8
0
9
9
1
2
2
5
8
8
0
4
4
1
2
2
5
9
8
0
4
4
1
2
2
5
10
8
-2
9
7
1
2
2
5
11
7
-1
8
7
2
1
2
5
12
5
-1
6
5
2
2
1
5
13
5
-3
5
2
2
2
1
5
14
4
-2
9
7
3
1
1
5
15
4
-3
7
4
3
1
1
5
16
4
-6
10
4
3
1
1
5
17
4
-8
10
2
3
1
1
5
18
3
-6
9
3
4
0
1
5
19
0
-8
8
0
5
0
0
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