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Good to see all the English clubs doing well in Europe. Hopefully that continues. It's been a while since we've seen the English teams meet in the later stages of the competition consistently.
Utd, Spurs and Chelsea have the more difficult tests as City and Liverpool seem to have finished the Porto&Basel off in the first leg (knock on wood).

Interested to see how things go next week for Chelsea and Utd.
Chelsea definitely have the hardest draw, will be interesting to see if they are up for the task. United should be able to go through but their form hasn't been the greatest lately.
So is the media officially done with pipping Dyche for manager of the year? that was a bizarro period of time.
Well he is top of the pack after the top 6(after not winning in the past 5 games too LOL).
I dont see why that is bizarre. He has done an incredible job with Burnley and i wont be surprised if he wins it at the end of the year.
I'd be surprised. I'd be even more surprised if Pep didn't win it, especially if he manages to get a couple trophies.
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Pep and KDB will win it probably.
I mean there is a 0% chance they finish 7th and i dont believe in commending a team thats gonna have more ties than wins.
They've done better than most teams for the money they've spend, although it says more about rest of the teams below them. Burnley hasn't won a game since December 12th, 2017. They've either drawn or lost the rest since February and are still sitting in 7th.
Staggering statistic.

Arsenal (45 points) are closer to the bottom (20 points) than they are to the top (72 points).

Not a dig at the Gunners :D just a crazy stat.
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Feel bad for Arsenal because they always try to play good attacking possession football. Hopefully Auba and Mikhi can come good for them and they finish in the top 4.
If Arsenal get relegated and Wenger leaves. Does that count as a victory for the Arsenal fans?
What an effort from Newcastle Jesus. Shelvey put in a display of the season.
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Newcastle should have been given a penalty and Valencia should have been sent off for that boot in Atsu's face, yet Mourinho brands Newcastle "lucky"
+6
To be fair, Shelvey has always been good in that role of a deep lying playmaker. He is a perfect fit for Newcastle. Nothing more, nothing less. His strength is spraying the ball to the attacking and wide players.

United were pretty bad today. Worst I've seen the red devils play in terms of heart. If SAF were leading this team he would have roasted them alive.

On a related note, Mourinho did not hold back naming the players at fault - Martial and Sanchez for not finding the net. Refreshingly - he did not make any excuses - just said it as it was, applauded Newcastle's effort and how United were at fault for the goal.
We were soulless, club should refund the away fans who travelled
Hi
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So I'd be interested to see everyone's revised top 4 and bottom 3 predictions:

I'm gonna go for:

1) Man City
2) Liverpool
3) Tottenham
4) Arsenal

Bottom 3:

18) Brighton
19) Huddersfield
20) West Brom
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Yep, that could be it.
Or Man Utd instead of Arsenal.
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bot 3 :

18)Newcastle
19)Stoke
20)West Brom
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No way Man U will miss top 4, I think they will be guaranteed to finish 2nd, at this moment I say Spurs above Chelsea with the current team
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Nothing is guaranteed mate, Liverpool are out of all cups, we now finally have a full squad fit and Arsenal have solved two massive problems; getting rid of a poisonous player and getting a world class striker.

I would put money on United and Chelsea missing out. In fact, I just have
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Arsenal have solved two massive problems? what
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I'm gonna go for:

1) Man City
2) United
3) Liverpool
4) Chelsea

Bottom 3:

18) Swansea city
19) Huddersfield
20) West Brom
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Paddy, interested in why you think we'll end up dropping out. I think we've shown enough solidity and consistency as a team to be pretty effective. Barring City, we're 5 points ahead with our only real weakness being against top 6 sides. I hope you lose money mate :) As for Arsenal, wasn't Lacazette supposed to solve their striker problems? I don't see both Spurs and Arsenal making top 4
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@BearWithFish

The 1st was getting rid of Sanchez. It's well known that he had a bad effect on the changing room and was constantly berating his team-mates for not passing to him. It's a very close-knit bunch at Arsenal and that wouldn't have been appreciated.

The 2nd was getting Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang. Two fantastic players, the former just wasn't the right fit for United, the latter is in the top 5 strikers in the world (pure strikers).

@JoeyMac hey bud. You have been solid, of that there's no doubt, but Arsenal have been terrible and I reckon they're gonna make the same huge end of season push, but this time with two quality players.

Liverpool have got a quality CB in van Dyke and Salah is the game-changing player that I don't think United have at the moment (depending on how Sanchez fits in).

We at Spurs have been plagued by injuries to very key players, but we now have a fully fit squad for the first time in a long time. I expect us to make top 4 although it may be me being hopeful.

Lacazette was supposed to change that, but it is a massive difference in physicality in the Bundesliga and Ligue 1. Lacazette needs time to settle, but I can just see Aubameyang fitting in seamlessly, especially with his old buddy Mkhitaryan behind him.

Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather United get top 4 than Arsenal (seeing as they're my old enemy) but I have a hunch it won't happen. Still, I always lose more money than I gain so what do I know ;)
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In general I agree with the capabilities of the teams you've mentioned, I just think you're underestimating United's staying power at this point in time. A couple of individuals here and there aren't enough to fully overcome the body of work that teams have put in across the entire season. We already see that with VVD, he's quality but he's been exposed a bit so far by the way Liverpool defend. Not to mention the fact that we've improved too by adding Sanchez, as much of a game changer as anyone else in the league.

A collapse is always possible, especially if we decide to focus on the CL. But also keep in mind that Arsenal/Spurs/both will be losing points this weekend, tough for me to see how both get in when the gap to 2nd could be 10 by the end of the weekend. Cheers for the response, I guess we shall see
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The reason arsenal are not in top 4 right now is because defensively they are a mess. Especially when they are playing away from home.

We have been consistently second almost all season except when we were joint first at the start.
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City
United
Pool
Spuds
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Hard to see Utd not making top 4, especially with Arsenal taking its place. 11 points between the teams, a tall mountain to climb at this point. If utd keeps dropping points at the rate they've been going this season, we'd have to have a flawless end to the season - not happening.
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1) Man City
2) Man Utd
3) Tottenham
4) Liverpool

Bottom 3:

18) Stoke
19) Huddersfield
20) West Brom
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Ok maybe I was wrong about Arsenal
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cant change after a game Paddy...stick to your predictions :P.

How could you even pick them for top-4 ahead of united who are 11 points better with 10 games to go?.
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City
Spurs
United
Liverpool

Newcastle
Huddersfield
WBA
Same as Bazinga for me as well.

1.City
2.United
3.Liverpool
4.Chelsea


Bottom 3

18.Stoke
19.West brom
20.Huddersfield
Dammit...
Still 11 points ahead of Arsenal Joey Chill
1.City
2.Liverpool
3.Chelsea
4.Tottenham

Bottom 3

18.Southampton
19.Stoke
20.West Brom
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Premier League: Winter break under discussion before new TV deal

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42954835
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They shouldn't change it, it's one of the features that make PL unique
+1
I don't want to see a full stop, but something needs to be done. Maybe that's just 2 games per club during the holiday week, more spread out. That way we'd get football pretty consistently, but we wouldn't be burning players out with 6 games in 19 days.
+1
Well it says the break will happen in January so it wont affect the Christmas/New year fixtures. Maybe just have the cup games played and have league games on break in January.
Lack of a break isn't doing the players or league any favors. I support the idea of a 2 week break
Mido was doing good for the spurs fans so i hope none of them gets angry
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I think i know what you mean. I think..
you dont know your birthday either
True
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@Joeymac , how are you my friend
I am well, you and the missus are lookin good
Well well well what do you know, another southampton player showed up at Anfield.
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Unless it's a stonewall penalty, calls like the 2nd pen in today's Pool vs Spurs match are just too risky.

Thoughts on the decisions?
+1
If I'm understanding the rules correctly, the first one was the right call on the offsides because the Liverpool player actively touched the ball. I think the call was correct, but in the end it was moot because Karius made a ballsy save that, oddly enough, gave Liverpool momentum to go get Salah's second goal.

I can see why the second one is polarizing, because from two different angles it looks like VVD kicks Lamela in different ways. I do think VVD made significant enough contact (I see people arguing that he pulled back, but I don't think it looks like it from the first angle). And I do think Lamela is entitled to put his body between the defender and the ball. The question is, did he do it quickly enough to establish himself as essentially in possession? If so, then it's a kick and a penalty, but I think that's the question we should be asking.

It's tricky, and I'll compare it to an incident yesterday in United's game: McTominay made a header in the box, then was clattered badly by a Huddersfield defender. Wrongly, no penalty was given, but the ref made the decision that it was simply a coming together, even after McTominay had clear possession of the ball. Today, it's almost as if the linesman preemptively decided that Lamela was in the process of winning possession at the moment VVD kicked him. Under that logic, then both would be penalties, but there's [surprise!] an inconsistency here.
+2
As much as I hated seeing that pen given, I think lamela got his body positioned very smartly. Whether vvd meant to kick him or not (obviously he didn't see him coming), it's a foul. He got zero touch on the ball and he kicks the player in his calf. Bold but correct ruling from the assistant.
+2
Exactly. 1st one wasn't a pen so its fair that he missed, second one is so clearly a pen. Can't believe Scouse fans are debating it. He kicks him in the f*****g leg!

No-ones mentioning that Salah was offside for his 2nd goal too.

I'd also mention that Kane dived for the first penalty and Dele dived earlier. But no way is that a dive from Lamela

Overall, a good frantic game. We made costly mistakes 1st half but completely dominated the 2nd. 2-2 was probs fair
+1
I agree with Shay ..Lamela was smart and positioned himself to get a challenge from VVD and win a penalty.

Not many teams come out with 66% possession against Liverpool at Anfield and have double the no. of shots on target. I think 2-2 was fair result since Spurs dominated 2nd half. But, the controversial decisions has shifted focus elsewhere.
+1
Do Kane and Ali use Kotex or Stayfree Ultra thin pads?
+2
No one's mentioning Salah being offside because... he wasn't. Lol
+5
Yeh, dont think Salah was offside.
+3
I just can't wrap my head around the argument that the first penalty was not offside.

The midfielder plays a ball to an offside attacker and the defender tries to cut it out to prevent the pass which leads to a deflection. Without the offside attacker there no intervention is needed so it should be given offside IMO.
If the defender controls the ball of course it is not offside, but in situations like that this is not the case.

With the "rule" applied in the match it would mean defenders need to be worried to intercept passes because when they get a slight touch and the ball still goes through it will count as onside. Sounds completely retarded to me.
+1
The rule is dodgy. Lovren had a chance to clear it (he f****d up lol) and from that moment Kane is onside.

If Lovren just let it go Kane would have been offside but what defender would do that? Strange rule.
+1
Well the rule is made assuming defenders like lovren have no place in the top flight. How the f can you not kick a ball forward as a professional footballer?
+1
Similarly, if the ball had simply hit Lovren (as it did with Wijnaldum on the same pass I think?) it would have been offsides, but Lovren played the ball intentionally
+1
You guys are plain wrong. Consider this scenario: a ball is hit over the top to a player who is offside. The defender attempts to head the ball to prevent it from reaching the offside player. The defender inadvertently heads it behind him so the player who is offside is able to reach it and score. The offside player will clearly be flagged offside. This is the exact same situation but the ball is on the ground. Offside 100% of the time. The ref just missed the call.
I had a better vid but its removed anyway heres why its on side

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11237769/ref-watch-assistant-ref-eddie-smart-covered-himself-in-glory-on-super-sunday

'Regarding the offside, there's no doubt Kane is initially in an offside position, but once Lovren looks to take ownership of the ball, which he tries to do without doubt, that begins a new phase of play.

The discussion between linesman Eddie Smart and Moss centres around whether a) Lovren has played the ball, and b) whether Kane impacts the play, i.e. moves towards Lovren, and interferes with play, which he doesn't. Would managers know this? When referees go into clubs at pre-season, things like this are explained. The key thing here is: did Lovren clearly try to play the ball? And he did.'
The more pertinent point is did Kane affect the play, which he definitely did.

The "expert," former referee Gallagher, also thought the Kane incident was a penalty, so I think we know where his loyalties are lol.
Well I understand the defender plays it = new situation point. But an attempted clearance which is only done because of a player who is offside means the offide player interfiered in the first situation which makes it offside IMO.
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Personally i would not have given the pen, same goes for the one for Deloufeu in the Chelsea game. But all the pundits also think they are both pens.

In the modern game you just need sufficient contact so you can go down and get a penalty. Gary Neville talked about this a while back.
KevMo, Lkerun, to an extent I see what you're saying, but I don't agree. The interference is only called that way in instances where goalies are obstructed. Hence literally the "interfering with play" caveat. Otherwise it's not necessarily pertinent that Kane was standing in an offsides position. As long as he's not jostling with Lovren, he's allowed to be there and not be considered as interfering with play.

In your example, Kev, as long as the attacker isn't playing the ball, he's okay if the ball doesn't reach him. Once the defender plays the ball, that's intent to take possession. The call just depends on the interaction between the two players--if the attacker is challenging for the ball and the defender makes bad contact and heads backwards, that's offsides.

Take your example a step further, say an attacker is standing in an offsides position, and a teammate tries to play a pass, but the pass is cleanly intercepted. The defender now has the ball and turns around to play it to the keeper. But the attacker jumps in and intercepts that pass. He's not offsides (even though he was just standing in an offsides position) because the defender played the ball deliberately. The judgement here is that Lovren made a similar "deliberate attempt" to play the ball in microcosm. Lovren did swing his foot at the ball, unimpeded, and made bad contact. It essentially equates to a bad clearance, or a bad back-pass. The only question is if you think a sliced clearance constitutes a "deliberate act."
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Exactly
But Lovren made a deliberate attempt to play the ball to prevent it from getting to Kane, who was offside. Thus Kane, being right behind Lovren, was indirectly interfering with the play by forcing Lovren to attempt to play the ball.

Just because the attacker isn't kostling with the defender doesn't mean he isn't part of the play.
+1
KevMo, i can see what you are saying (Lovren would not have to make a clearance if kane is not there) but that is not what the rules states. According to the rule he is not offside. Its definitely a gray area but the refs got the decision correct according to the rule book.

When i saw the incident i thought 100% offside but now that i know the rule better, i see why it was not given.
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I agree that it sounds a little counterintuitive, but being part of the play =/= interfering with it, at least not by the law.

Going to the second incident though, I've seen a shot that looks like Lamela was in fact offsides.
+1
If Lovren was so "concerned" with Kane's presence in an offside position he could've just let the ball go past him. Crisis averted. The written rules are hopefully revised this summer along with multiple other rules like reviewing plays the ref doesn't see, the var language etc.. It's kind of like the Sanchez handball goal last season. It's just wrong and the language of the law needs to be in tune.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/top-10-premier-league-wage-11954463

Top 10 earners in the EPL. No surprise half of them are United players. Props to Arsenal for tying down Ozil, now with Ozil, Mikhitaryan, and Auba Arsenal should become a threat again. Plus Mikhi is happy to be playing attacking football again as he said.

And how much do referees make?

http://www.sportingnews.com/ca/soccer/news/how-much-premier-league-referees-paid-wages-salary/9i77yulet008zrg247q5xrqu
From the list you yourself posted:
3 players are from City.
4 players are from United.

7 out of 10 are from Manchester.
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3 players from City = 730K
4 players from United = 1.3 mil

See the difference? almost twice as high

When someone like Lukaku or as United fans call him Lustatue makes the same amount as world class Aguero, you know something somewhere went terrible wrong.
+2
Cesc ain't getting 220K a week, Hazard is the only one at Chelsea over 200K
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FYI. Please use BBC as authentic source Guardian , Telegraph or Sky as semi reliable and worst case even Dailymail....Other sh*tty sources do not deserve a mention on forum discussion because they are not authentic and full of crap to seek attention!.

In what world Cesc suddenly got a hike from 170k to 220k when he is still on his existing contract. lol
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I read this as "FootballisCity sources do not deserve a mention on forum discussion because they are not authentic and full of crap used to seek attention!."
+11
i read this as Joeymac is making personal attacks and seeking to be banned

Why don't we have a deal Joeymac, since we don't agree on many different things about football, we don't comment on each others threads anymore? Nothing personal just stay away from my posts, ignore them and I will do the same for you.
But that's like trying to keep flies away from poop.

And I mean that in the literal sense that what you posted is poop.

You know people are going to get involved
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Hey man, no personal attack, you could be a delightful person who I might get along with very well in civilized society. I'm just attacking your cultivated online persona, which I think is similar to Deffy's description :)
+8
deffy is a 7 year old kid talking about "poop", he obviously can't be taken seriously, maybe he needs his diaper changed but nobody is around to help him. But its normal for a 7 year old to post like that.

But we have a deal right Joeymac? i don't post on your threads you don't post on my threads...pretend they are not even there and I promise to do the same for you ;)
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Welcome to footytube everyone.🙂
I feel at home here. What a sense of community.
+4
These money arguments between the Manchester clubs are old. Find something else to talk about.
+3
How was your break from Footytube FootballisCity?
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Nahhh. My original posts here are usually thoughtful, so I don't want to deprive you of your ability to contribute to the conversation.
@FootballIsCity this is like the fifth thread in many months where you make a troll thread about how better City are when it comes to wages, buys, players or goals. Even the non Manchester United fans can see right through you and frankly everyone is sick of it.

This thread is an attempt to troll United fans and frankly it's pointless.

Also don't try and play the innocent card and ask for people to get banned, it makes you look stupid and immature. Anymore nonsense from you and you'll be the one getting banned, understand that!

DTaDiablo
(Footytube Mod)
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FootballIsCity...you're like the only user on this entire website that needs to make deals with others to not post on their respective threads. f**k, it's ridiculous.
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@DTaDiablo, @Kgb112 you guys are both wrong. If someone doesn't like a certain article or a link then they should just "f**k off" (as you say) and don't comment and go look for some other threads. There is no need to comment about "poop" or any of that other nonsense. There are a lot of posts in the United forum that i dislike but i don't go around and comment that they are "poop" or something of that sort. That said most of you are used to the "humble" and "nice" users such as @SilvaMaestro16 who you can troll and harass and they won't have a come back but now that there is a City fan that can stand up for the club you are "sick of it"

If someone prefers the BBC or telegraph then simply ignore this thread and link about wages all together or simply state that you do not agree with those figures thats all its not difficult.

None of my posts have any personal attacks any name callings or any of that so i follow the rules of the website. Am i on the edge? maybe but if someone doesn't like it then simply ignore. Anyways back to my break, enjoy EPL everyone!
Wait, is your name a direct reference to SIF's?

I haven't regarded it until just now, but typing your name out made me realize this:

Soccer (A) is Football (B)

Football (B) is City (C)

Is your name a silly troll that makes SIF's name essentially mean SoccerisCity?

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"now that there is a City fan"

Dude, there are plenty of City fans we all like. s**t, Tomikato is a mod and probably the most universally liked guy on this site.

There's a great proverb:
“If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.”

It is not a fluke that you manage to get in spats with lots of very different users from different fan bases.
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"None of my posts have any personal attacks any name callings or any of that so i follow the rules of the website."

-"deffy is a 7 year old kid talking about "poop", he obviously can't be taken seriously, maybe he needs his diaper changed but nobody is around to help him. But its normal for a 7 year old to post like that."

Pretty sure you'be been told this in the past, report posts if you think they are breaking site rules.

You see, when you post an article that looks like flamebait to everyone, and then get some flame, and then respond with flame it makes it look like you did it on purpose. Now, consider the fact this has happened a lot for you. It really looks like you do it on purpose.

These days, pretty much everyone on this site gets along. I don't understand why you insist on ruffling feathers and then feign innocence/ignorance.
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It's not even the fact that u posted the link. It's the fact that u said half were from united. U can just start sh!t and not expect a reaction. Btw stop trying to bash united when city spend a lot of money on players.
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@FootballIsCity So my question to you; do you want to take a break from these forums or do you want one forced on you? As KGB stated most people get on just fine; you only have to look at previous threads and see that when a interesting topic is created you get users from all bases respond; why can't you just follow suit?

Also what users say on their own forums is their prerogative so you bringing up what is said on the Manchester United forum is pointless.

If any fan starts bashing another fan base in these forums then the moderators will intervene. If you don't like some of the comments being aimed at you; you can just report the comments.

DTaDiablo
You know you've reached endgame when a Liverpool fan is telling you to stop bashing United haha
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@Kgb112 my nickname has nothing to do with SIF. City plays total flamboyant possession football that is why i put it as City is Football. There are teams or i should say a team that plays anti-football, I'm not going to say which team before it starts another "flame" but City plays total flamboyant possession football that is why i have it as that.

“If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.” I take it as what you are trying to say here is all my comments are disliked by users? maybe you should check my history there are comments i made in the United forum for which i have received over 40 likes and there are many others in the Arsenal forum and other forums for which i have received likes in the double digits. I am not trying to brag about my "likes" the point I'm making is there are a lot of users that do agree with my threads and comments and i am not perfect, nobody is perfect of course i will have threads where not everyone will agree with my opinion.
Congrats, we're all impressed
+4
Anyways back to my break, football is too addictive, gotta stay away from it for sometime. Cheers
Maybe you and joey can start writing your stuff on each other’s walls lol


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