Premiership

well Charlie adam does not look is Gollum

Lets no insult the uruk hai here...they are decent folks relative to Stoke players ;)

And a week earlier, a few of them threw eggs and flour on Owens car. The usual uruk hai prank.

haha

What if he doesn't? Hahaha

What if he scores 6 goals and arsenal draw against Newcastle lol

What if he scores 6 against sunderland and arsenal lose against newcastle?

what sunderland draw 6-6 with tottenham? WHAT IF?

what if this while post is pointless? what if?

WHAT IF WHAT IFFFFFFFFFFF

What if the Fa decides to dock off 12 points from United and give the title to city?

What if everybody shut up and go back to its Team fan page. lol

Amen YungGunner! lol

What if you were all funny?

Just kidding I love you guys.

I love you too:P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL4L4Uv5rf0

what if messi is really heskey and heskey is really messi O.o

What if Paddy was a closet Gooner?

what if heskey does a field invasion to score the final season goal but still misses?

what if I am a ghost the whole time

Keep trying guys. One of them will be funny eventually. ;)

^ Ah yes, the Dane Cook method for comedy.

Ah yes. The pompous analysing comedy method for comedy.

Touché lol

He's still awful though.

What if i start punching horses...would i become a Newcastle fan? ;)

Okay, I just youtubed this Dane Cook, LOL. What an ass wipe.

@prophet
Yes...

I'm just waiting for Threk to say "I LIKE TRAINS".. *sigh*

I'll make it football related.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQS93iczXq8

I replied to the post on the United page but I'll repeat it for anyone else who may be interested:

Imo, Dragonborn followed by Dawnguard. Hearthfire is almost as bad as the Horse Armour pack for Oblivion.

Dragon born imo is the best one I'm still playing it lol

cheat and finish everything in 1 day or 2

The real question is PC or Consoles...

If you have the same game on multiple systems, 99% of the time it is going to be better on the PC unless it is ported by a piss poor company of course..

That's old news but doesn't change the fact that Balotelli should not be given so much money at the age of 22

I know, have you seen his collection of cars. Good lord!

I think I would attribute more of this to Benitez if I hadn't seen the Chelsea of the past five years move through managers relatively quickly, yet still win trophies. That in itself is an interestingly commendable feat, in my opinion. I'm more inclined to think that's attributed to a core crux of players such as Cole, Cech, and Lampard, and a new batch of quality players like Mata.

Benitez defiantly deserves credit and is due some, especially in the sense of rotating our players and keeping them fit enough for the crunch games. But i feel this victory also stems from our road to the CL last year (and we have our old guard and RDM to thank for that), we gained so much resilience and self belief that we can win no matter what and walking into the final this year with that mentality served us well in the end.

So to answer ur question i feel its a mixture of both but its mostly down to that self belief and experiece of how to win big games which ultimatly stems from our players like Lampard, Cole, Mata, Torres, Cech, Ramires, Luiz, Cahil, Ivanovich and Terry

We owe Rafa thanks for the Europa trophy; he prioritized Europa games more than most of us fans were comfortable with, and I think other managers may have played weaker teams.

However, it is my opinion that we owe the players thanks for securing top four. Even while their manager was selecting them for Europa games, they still found the will and the energy to stay competitive in the league.

So in the end, Rafa's gamble paid off because the team pulled through in the league. If we had failed to make top four but won the Europa, I wouldn't have been very pleased. Or even worse, if we failed to make top four and then lost the final...ugh...I'm significantly relieved that that didn't happen!

Overrated manager role in England, so why do you care?
Chelsea were going to achieve the same.
And do you think the Saints and Sunderland could not achieve their targets just as well

He definitely deserves some credit for the accomplishments. 3rd place (hopefully) and Europa. When he got his head together, and finally stopped making silly subsititutions and waiting so long to do them, then we finally achieved success. He seems like a new manager now, he has a lot of renewed fight in him, I think he'll be a success wherever he goes. Thanks Rafa.

He was undefeated vs Fergie as well, which I find very impressive considering how good a manager Fergie is

Benitez is a good manager, his track record proves that, only thing going against him is over the length of a season he makes a few bad decisions at the wrong times and doesn't get away with them !
All managers slip up its just at what point is it critical and which ones they get away with, its then that
the squad is likely to determine the outcome.

considering the conditions he faced at chelsea, he has done an amazing job. people saying that chelsea would have achieved this without him should have said the same about the guy who won them the CL as well then, he prioritized the cup and if it wasn't for him, they would have not won this cup.

I dont agree with the the statements of Benitez prioritizing the cup. He always fielded our strongest team in the Epl and left out 3 or 4 main players for the europa, especially at the latter stages of the season. That being said, I believe Benitez definitely deserves credit. We have had a tremendous run since he boldly confronted the fans and told them to get behind the team because hes leaving at the end of the season. That says alot

maybe this is why Falcao has now openly said he's not going to monaco lol

When your net worth is $9.1b I doubt it's hard to find another wife... Or another orgy with models haha.

now THAT will be some severance package... no pun intended!

Even JT's no match for this guy lol

@bloodyblue

i wouldnt take it that far mate

Ian Holloway is one of the funniest in the world when it comes to interviews and "u can quote me on that".

Eff Madrid, Make him the President of FIFA, sure he'd probably be just as corrupt, but at least he is intentionally funny!

Hope Palace get promoted, Holloway is a character much needed in the PL...there are almost no comedic managers left since Mick McCarthy left. Also Holloway's teams play good attacking football...anyone remember Blackpool a couple of seasons ago.

^ Brendan Rogers is hilarious. ;)

^ "I think we can finish 2nd." Lol.

^not his fault reporters twisted his words...he meant in every game...:P

I've read that a lot of journos and fans too in UK likened him to David Brent from the TV show Office by calling Brendan Brentan...lol because of the outrageous things he says.

^But honestly, I've spent 5 hours on youtube hunting for Holloway's interviews. The interviews are way better than a good majority of stand up comics. Look for Holloway and Redknapp's man love interview on youtube if you dont believe me.

:'(

One of the classiest footballers and by far the greatest ambassador the game has ever seen. Number of people that became football fans as a result of him no matter which club they support is astronomical.

ROFL LEGEND? He was another overrated British player. He is famous for modeling not playing football. Don't throw around the word legend on anybody.

^hater.

I am hating on him because I don't think he is a legend?

^^no,but because you think he's overrated and only famous for modelling

@KingLucas

Yes I suppose playing for Manchester United and Real Madrid not to mention raising the profile of the game in the U.S during his time with L.A Galaxy is irrelevant and thats not bothering to mention his short stint at PSG neither.

How about being the most capped outfield player for his country and a list of honours that would be the envy of about 99% of football players.

He is a legend.

is it cos he didnt play for liverpool???

"another overrated British player"
"He is famous for modeling not playing football"

He is surely not overrated and if you look what he achieved over the years you will see that he has won almost everything there is! 5-10 years ago he would have been in every starting line up like he was in Real Madrid or Manchester United, well, he would have "even" been in the liverpool starting line up
And for the modeling: He has achieved what other want to. It's to make a world-known brand out of yourself. Other people with which you can compare him to in this aspect are (Henry), Roger Federer, Tiger Woods, Michael Jordon etc. They are famous because there is a reason for it!

and last but not least he is a humble person and the pride of a nation (excluding some Liverpool fans)

LEGEND.

Haha KL. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but we'll let his achievements as a footballer speak for itself.

-First Englishman to win league titles in four different countries (England, Spain, USA, France)
-First England player to score at three World Cups
-First British footballer to play 100 Champions League games
-Has the joint-second most goal assists in European Championship finals history
-Third in the Premier League's all time time assist provider chart, with 152 assists in 265 appearances.

Added to what everyone else has said.

Let them call him a legend KingLucas

Lol we don't need to be allowed, we're not oblivious to his career ;)

To put this in perspective, you call Jamie Carragher a legend. I am not against that claim, but Carragher's had less than half the accomplishments of Beckham, and hasn't been an ambassador for the game to the same extent.

That's assuming you're not letting tribalism influence your opinion.

He is certainly a legend.

Iconic, prolific, skilled...what else do you need?

Everyone has their own opinion. He was probably one of the best crosser's of the game and a dead ball specialist. Also I could give a tosh if you don't think Carragher is a "legend"

Of course, because judging off of what Carragher's achieved as a footballer, that opinion is certainly much more.... um, subjective. Lol.....

Edit- Canning, I agree with you, and I don't mean to knock Carragher, I already said I think it's a valid statement to call him a legend within the English game. My point is that if you're going to say that Carragher fits that bill, then Beckham certainly does on a worldwide spectrum. That's the logical reasoning, at least, and to say otherwise is a bit hypocritical.

Liverpool fans really going to ruin his retirement? Tell me you didn't cheer when he put the free kick in against Greece, or when he scored in the 3 World Cups for your country. Beckham was probably the most influential footballer on my generation, we all grew up idolizing the man. And for that he is a Legend.

Carragher is a Liverpool legend, but I don't think his reputation extends too far outside the English game. However 2 FA cups, 3 League cups, Champions League and Uefa League trophies are not to be scoffed at. Plus defenders get half the credit they deserve anyways.

clearly you haven't seen this. may help you in figuring out who the real legend is:

http://images.moviepostershop.com/i-am-legend-movie-poster-2007-1020406185.jpg

whats funny is that Liverpool fans call Gerrard a legend and he is not even as good as Beckham or achieved half of what Beckham achieved.

What's funny is Liverpool fans aren't coming into the PL forum and saying Carragher is a legend or Gerrard. Because if we did we'd get a similar style response to which Somere has posted lol

If KingLucas or anyone for that matter especially Pool fans think Beckham is not a legend than Jamie Carragher by that definition cannot be even considered a proper footballer let alone a legend.

The talent gap between those 2 is enormous that its not even up for debate as to who was the better footballer. But having said that i still consider Carragher a legend because what he lacked in talent he made up for with will and determination. Unlike some Pool fans i don't have anything stuck up my backside to be so bitter to not recognize a footballer's legendary status.

Ross Turnbull, 7 apps, 4 trophies! Isn't that legendary?

Overrated haha what a bold statement, carragher and gerrard will never achieve what Beckham has in English football for that matter.

Lol, "he can cross the ball" WTF?. Do you guys even know what is football? Football is not just about my club vs your club. If that is what you guys care about most, stop watching this game. Stick to FIFA and play with you club all day. Grow up people, and try to learn about the sport rather than just reading rumors about "your" club.

Rant over.

Beckham definitely is a legend, I'd go as far as say he's better than Scholes, Gerrard and Lampard who are definitely the best players England has ever had. I know people will point to Shearer and Fowler, but stikers don't count. Midfielders do most of the hard work, so the 4 are definitely above the strikers. Thing is, unlike Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes, Beckham had something special. Can't put my finger on it. And I mean his pre Madrid days. When he was with Utd, he was a complete legend imo.

Comon Liverpool fans you don't have to automatically hate anything associated with United. Its like me denying that Henry was a legend.

This could have been a peaceful and simple tribute to a great footballer who achieved a lot throughout his illustrious career (not to mention donated six months worth of massive wages to charity) if not for some people who hate just for the sake of hating (and starting up trouble)

Beckham had some of the best vision to see a pass it was ridiculous. Probably the best long passer I've ever seen.

Beckham was a good player, but he is no where near legend.

In my book legends are players like Pele, Maradonna, R9, Zizou, Cruyff, Muller, Zico, Beckenbauer, Maldini, Best, Puskas etc. Beckham is no where near this; therefore he is not a legend. If we call Beckham a legend then the list of legends is endless.

He is the first English player to win League titles in four countries, he won the premier league 6 times, fa cup twice and the uefa champions league. He has also won the Serie a, La Liga and Ligue 1.

I think Canning has summed it perfectly for you, Liverpudlians. Beckham is a legend in the truest meaning! Mentioning Carragher or even Gerrard in the same breath is just pure nonsense!

@KingLucas
So in your opinion...players like Gerrard, Fowler, Rush, Daglish, Souness, Hansen etc..are not Legends right?

I won't even mention Carragher among those players cause if you don't think those player are legends you won't even consider Carragher a footballer...think about this for a minute will ya.

Even if you don't rate him on the pitch (lunacy I tell ya), his ambassador work, his attitude to football, his class in interviews, charity work, and what he has done in the USA alone should be enough reason to call him a legend. A lot of football fans would not be football fans if not for him, surely that a lone earns him legend status? Never mind the titles and how talented he was.

Chill the f**k out jeez you United fans are like women on their periods FFS. I like Beckham, but in my book a legend is someone who is special to the club they are associated with and do great things. Beckham has done many great things and won many awards, but legend is a stretch. If you look at the teams he was in, it wasn't hard to do great things and just because someone doesn't win loads of trophies, doesn't mean they're worse than the other (Turnball for example). In my opinion Gerrard is better than Beckham, but that's my opinion and you have yours. Tbh I like to look at stats and the impact the respective player had at the club, not trophies to decide who is better. Gerrard can be considered a legend as he stood by Liverpool, even though "better" clubs came knocking at his door, and I believe that is the trait of a legend. I doubt Beckham can lead a team barley half as good as his opposition to a CL when his team was down by 3, but hey that's just me. Btw Beckham has 129 goals in 718 matches and Gerrard has 159 goals in 629 appearances. Also, Gerrad has been in the Uefa TOTY 3 times, while beckham has been in there twice.

You comparing Beckham to gerrard? lmao^^^

This really is pathetic from Liverpool fans. Beckham earned himself tenfold legend status with that free kick vs Greece alone!! It gives me goosebumps every time I see it, let alone when I watched it live!

sorry Liverpool fans u just couldn't win this XD

not when u have the fans of United, Spurs, Chelsea, PSG, Madrid, Arsenal to deal with

and add one Juventus fan in that, bcoz IMO Beckham is a legend, maybe not to his club/former clubs but we just couldn't denied that man influenced towards footballing world

George Best on David Beckham

"He cannot kick with his left foot, he cannot head a ball, he cannot tackle and he doesn't score many goals. Apart from that he's all right."

I think kinglucas is trying to make the same point above.

Yes i'm comparing and it looks like Gerrard is winning lol

Northstream, that freekick was something special and I am with you on this. It sends shivers down my spine when I see that goal and I remember it very vividly.

Such an amazing talent and he is a LEGEND in my eyes!

@popov don't quote George Best he is a hater just like lucas here.

please be civil about this. Beckham has achieved a legendary status (no debate here) and was amazing at his prime but imo what some liverpool fans are trying to say is that this isn't purely due to footballing merits. And I think this is a very valid argument.

Britain has produced players far better than Beckham who never left to play outside of England for whatever reason. Beckham is the first good English player to really take his game internationally. Whether he has some unique footballing (or other skills) that allowed to do so while others couldn't is debatable.

Beckham is NOT a better player than Gerrard. Oh and i wouldn't even take Somere's word for anything, he also thinks Carrick is better than Gerrard...

And as for Northstream, i didn't know scoring a free kick automatically makes u a legend. You keep going on about this Free kick.

Really, are you kidding me?, that makes him a better player than Gerrard, and also a legend.. smfh

Ha, Liverpool fans spitting bad blood on Becks. no surprises here

Thread locked, next topic thanks. Anything below this post will be deleted regardless of how innocent it is. You people can't even have a normal discussion to honour a player's career, it feels like kindergarten in here.

I uphold that anything beyond this point will deleted scurry on back your pages or there will be action taken

@FootballDoc: It would've taken all of 5 seconds to read my post where I specifically said "anything below this post will be deleted". I could just as easily have removed every post in this thread. The way this page is mate, the system we have employed is harsh on everyone. If one person screws up, the rest suffer. While that may seem grossly unfair, the alternative was to remove the page altogether. We want the good users to be mad at the offenders so that they get the hint and bugger off. I'm not sure you realise the full extent of the damage to the site's integrity this page has caused.

Right sure mate. But I still feel the discussion was within reasonable limits. But anyway point taken. You may now delete this too as you will surely do.

I also feel the discussion was within reasonable limits, just dragging too long. 1 day is not so unreasonable unless you feel it's disposable internet (and I was late). Generally, seems to me there was a misunderstanding on what the word 'legend' is supposed to represent @ either club or international level

Beckham IS a legend. Period.

george best was way better than the lot of them...period...lol

mentioning the great mans name in the same breath as the likes of beckham and gerrard, gimme a break...lol

Well you guys have obviously never heard of the great Archie Thompson.

Maradona good, Pele better, George Best, Archie...THOMPSON.

Hey so what's going on here?