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Ok, this is kind of irritating me, on MOTD, Sky and Bruce (Bruce i can understand) have all been harping on the fact that Vertonghen went down easily on Ramirez's challenge (which resulted in Ramirez getting a straight red and changed the game).

Here's the incident
http://tinyurl.com/pwbm7qb

MOTD especially, called Vertonghen an embarrassment for going down the way he did, and that he milked it, they also said it wasn't a red.

Firstly, I thought that was a red, you just can't hack at a player like that and get away with it, its fair game for the ref. Secondly, what the hell did Vertonghen do in the first place to deserve that? and how does he avoid not going down by that challenge? (it's essentially a scissor tackle). Also love the fact that they don't even recall the Barkley dive which imo was actually embarrassing. Learn something from your brother Phil, poor punditry imo (from both those guys).

Thoughts?
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Vertonghen kind of does provoke him. He could've just walked away from Ramirez but decided to try and go through him with his knee. It would've been very hard for the linesman to see that though, you need a replay. I don't think it should've been a red because I don't think there is any way you can call it violent conduct. Wilshere headbutted Fellaini yesterday and didn't even get a card. Very harsh on Hull.
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^ That....And Wilshere headbutted Fellaini yesterday is a better case for Red card..But he is English and the referees have that soft-corner to mamma boys.
Yh, but Wilshere should'v been showed a red card too, Fellaini actually saved him by not going down.

Lol, saw another angle and yes you are right, Vertonghen does give him a slight nudge with his knee. But i still think Ramirez hacks his foot at him too (even with his hand), it might look worse than it actually was, but i think the intent from Ramirez's part was violent enough to merit a red.

But more so then the actual incident i was more annoyed at the MOTD pundits as i thought they had a real unfair go at Vertonghen.
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It's a red card, Ramirez is a f*****g selfish idiot who should've walked away but through his own selfish negligence put himself before his team mates. They were coasting, well on top, wtf was he thinking? You can not defend actions like that on the pitch.
Even the official Bundesliga YouTube channel acknowledges Lord Bendtner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gEf3SoEJCA
Dear god, what a goal.
Is he number 3? Lol!
"More goals in the Bundesliga than Ronaldo, Messi, Ibra, and Neymar combined"
"Haters might say that they never played in the bundesliga"
I cant believe Arsenal sold him.
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Hmohammed Liverpool is not named Liverpool-City
He meant a match between Liverpool and Man City...
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Lol
dude... really?
After watching Crystal Palace - Liverpool match I can point out things that you can see only in Premier League.

- Team spirit/atmosphere on stadium - The fans cheering for their team for the whole match, regardless if they're loosing or not, that is amazing thing that never gets boring. To describe it more: Allen after challenge with Bollasie had blood all over his back and neck - he wouldn't notice that if referee wouldn't call him to change the shirt. Here you can see that the players are absolutely concentrated on game - giving 100% or more effort.

- The result isn't decided until the final whistle. In many matches in PL a loosing team was able to fight back when they were behind and eventually they got the win.

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Really?
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This is not exclusive to the epl. The German league also have these characteristics. If not for Bayern, they would also be the most competitive league.
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Palace have amazing fans, I could feel the atmosphere just watching it on my lap-top, it was that good. haven't felt that way since Liverpool-City back in april.
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I honestly think the English teams (the big ones, anyway) have arguably some of the worst crowd atmospheres in Europe. You compare it to the crowds in Germany, etc and it's just not as impressive imho.

Even yesterday against United, towards the end, half the Arsenal fans had left. And this isn't a dig at Arsenal, I've seen it happen at Old Trafford too. I feel like the Top teams have horrible home crowds. Their away crowds are a different story though.
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Yes, actually, the best atmosphere is on small teams stadiums. I've seen somewhere that Tottenham has the most quiet crowd, and that is IMO still one of the better teams. But really, I've seen a few matches where fans were cheering for their team even when they didn't play well, lol.
Two or three seasons ago, there was a match where fans almost manage to lead their team to a draw, but in final minutes the opponents, who were playing better the whole time, scored. I dont know if the atmosphere on stadiums changed to worse since that time.
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I think the difference stems largely, or at least to some significant degree, from ticket prices and the respective nations' economy.

I imagine Spain's poor showing can be attributed to the country's terrible economy. Not many Spaniards can find the means to attend their local football matches, at least when compared to the English or German leagues.

Ticket prices aren't always reasonable either. People rather spend what they have to provide for their families than to attend a football match they can very well watch from the comfort of their own homes.

As for the apparent lack of boisterous support among the top clubs, namely the ones in England and Spain, that can be attributed to a number of reasons.

I believe fan expectation and youth unemployment play the biggest roles.

Many fans who come to the (insert prestigious venue here) to watch their team play do so with the expectation that their team will put on a show (i.e. good football, high score-line, and lots of star service). They come to enjoy a show, not to be an actively engaged participant, hoping that their lively support will propel the team forward against a difficult rival. Most of the crowd, away fans being an exception at times, are rather subdued. For them it's simply entertainment, a way to kill some time.

Another reason for the uneventful scenes is probably related to youth unemployment. In Spain, for example, the level of youth unemployment is catastrophic. The youth are generally the one's who emit the most energy. They are the most animated, engaged, and spirited. How are they going to fill the stands if they don't have the means to attend the matches? Like I mentioned previously, ticket prices aren't exactly cheap for the more prestigious clubs either.

Obviously my latter assumption could be false. Age demographics from attendances would need to be collected to be sure, and it might vary between and within countries.

The Bundesliga has a healthy model though. Without going into too much detail, the Bundesliga has effectively created a sense of belonging among its fans, and they have reasonable ticket prices as well. The youth are able to afford them, and I imagine they're the one's making the atmosphere in Germany very lively.
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4th place Manchester United - 5th Newcastle United - 6th West Ham United.. yeah i noticed that we are in Europa League qualifying postition :)
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Yes this is great news for Newcastle cant believe they are 5th in the premier league. the team are playing well.
I reiterate, don't get ahead of yourselves. This season is so unpredictable I wouldn't be surprised to see us in trouble again come mid January lol.
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This has been one hell of a season so far in EPL history. Every week, a new story, except for 1st place, lol -_-
But the quality is absolutely shocking, considering EPL was the best league in the world some years ago.
Arsenal - United for example are so far away from the european top. It's not even funny anymore. In past it was one of my favourite ties to watch, now i rather watch Davis Cup or Cologne - Berlin...
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Robbery you might be speaking too soon...our footy Pundits prediction is that "Its only 12th games and the season is 38 games long...Winter is coming".
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Some of the premier league teams are rebuilding. It will take time for them to get it right. No one league stays top in terms of quality for ever. Premier league makes up for it by being way more exciting than some of the other leagues though. Its just a matter of time till we see the resurgence of the big teams in England.
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actually when the game started, it was a 7th vs 9th battle. clearly both sides are not at their best. united's defense is decimated and their midfield isnt exactly bossing games and rvp looks a shadow of what he was just last season.

in general, no one is really being consistent in the league except chelsea, which has also reflected in the CL. none of the english teams will make QF/SF besides chelsea.
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@Robbery, just because Utd and Arsenal aren't at their best doesn't mean its going to result a boring game. In fact it was an exciting game as a neutral, it was end to end stuff and both teams fighting for everything because of the importance of the three points.
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United is really rebuilding, so they have an excuse.
Arsenal, City and Spurs not.

-Arsenal always playing the same, doing the same mistakes. As long as Wenger stays, they won't change.
-City is a mistery for me. They said, they want to win the CL. But do they really think they win it with a weak CM (Fernandinho/Toure) and players like Demichelis, Milner, Clichy, Zabaleta...?!

Chelsea is truly the only top-club. Mourinho is doing great.But still they're CL-performances were pretty shaky so far. Not sure why. CHelsea seems too dependent of Hazard and Costa. Which is the difference to Bayern, Real or Barca, who can replace 2,3 key-players easily and still roll on

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Why do we keep forgetting Soton when we talk about the most consistent team in epl this season?? lol
Two big clubs plaqying against each other does not mean it is deffo going to be a very exciting game esp when chelsea is involved in them and they are the away side :P

For example the my best game of this season is west ham vs man city.
Utd's got 99 problems but defeating Arsenal ain't one
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Rooney's fav opponent lol
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Drogba - "Excuse me"??
^Rooney has scored more goals against Arsenal than any other player in PL history. I think Drogba scored more goals against Arsenal than Rooney in all competitions, though.
Well, if you ask Arsenal if they want to face Rooney or Drogba, I'm pretty sure they'll pick Rooney :P
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Damn it,droga gonna play against us!!
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Drogba is worse...Main difference between the two is i think Rooney has capitalized efficiently on the way man utd play against us..Whereas Drogba, forces it in the most dominating fashion...
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At the early stages of the season Newcastle were predicted to be a fight form relegation team and it only took a 5 game wining streak(15 points) to run past the struggling Liverpool, Arsenal, and United to potentially be 4th. What a league!
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Newcastle fans must be so confused on if they still want Pardew sacked or not. Can't tell if it's him, or if its the team.
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Regardless of results I would still rather see Pardew gone. It's bad enough that we have fans who punch horses let alone a manager who headbutts players when provoked.

On a side note though relatively happy with our little resurgence :)

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@Odd Then tell me, what mistakes is Pardew doing? What you don't like about him? One incident should not be an argument why to dislike a person. There were more factors of why Newcastle's form went up. Including more stable lineup and teamwork of players. I am really happy with the 5 game winning streak and I hope that it will not end on West Ham ground.
to be fair, Alan Pardew's situation is a long list of positives and negatives. This wining streak shouldn't overshadow his seven game winless streak not so long ago. Also this streak contributes to the only victories of the season.

I don't know the Newcastle situation well to argue with you. Just my two cents.
I just personally disagree that Pardew is the right man to take the club forward. I accept that the main issue with the club is how it is run but I don't think Pardew has necessarily helped himself with a vast majority of tactical decisions in the past few seasons and the way he handles himself in the media limelight draws unnecessary attention to a club already in slight dissarray (calling pelegrinni a c**t, and pushing a match official)

I think Ashley was a little overly zealous rewarding pardew an 8 year contract off the back of a good season and it has resulted in us being lumbered with a manager who for me is not up to the job at hand of taking us to the next level. The headbutting incident was merely the icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned with the man.
Fair enough. I didn't know that he got such long-term contract from Ashley. That is overly zealous indeed.

If I should reply to some voices who say: "Newcastle plastic fans changed their opinion and they don't want Pardew out anymore."
Pointing out that we are inconsistent in our opinions is like asking why there's change of manager post in other PL teams every year. This question is really hard to answer.
It seems that there will always be such hostility inside the PL fans community.
newcastle were never in books for relegation. too much quality in that team to go down. but 5 wins a row is impressive
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We said that in 2009 and look what happened lol.
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This good form isn't a shock to me actually, they did the exact same thing last season, unlike us, NCFC actually love November lol.

I think most Newcastle fans have a strong hatred towards Ashley more so than Pardew, but Pardew seems to be the easier target. NCFC atm seems to have no real ambition b/c once they have a good player among their ranks, Ashley sells them for a profit (Ba, Cabaye, Carroll) he also doesn't seem to care where NCFC finish, as long as they don't get relegated, and thats the part that angers the NCFC fans (rightly so imo), they want someone who cares about the club and not soley on making a profit and/or avoiding relegation.
In 2008-2009 we didnt get 5 wins in a row plus bad news was that Owen was about to leave us. Also the manager Kevin Keegan left us because he didn't agree with transfer politics of the Newcastle management. In the end there was still a chance to not get relegated since we needed just one point in last game. That last game was lost 0-1 to Aston Villa.

Now you have the same situation, but somehow, even though so many skilled players left us, Newcastle is still able to play football on average/above average level. That won't change after January transfer window I hope.
Predictions
Manchester City v. Swansea City 3-1
Chelsea v. West Bromwich Albion 2-0
Arsenal v. Manchester United 1-1
Crystal Palace v. Liverpool 1-2
Hull City v. Tottenham Hotspur 0-1
Manchester City v. Swansea City 2-0
Chelsea v. West Bromwich Albion 4-0
Arsenal v. Manchester United 4-3
Crystal Palace v. Liverpool 0-1
Hull City v. Tottenham Hotspur 0-2
Manchester City v. Swansea City 2-0
Chelsea v. West Bromwich Albion 3-1
Arsenal v. Manchester United 0-2
Crystal Palace v. Liverpool 7-1
Hull City v. Tottenham Hotspur 2-1
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Predictions
Manchester City v. Swansea City 2-0
Chelsea v. West Bromwich Albion 3-0
Arsenal v. Manchester United 1-2
Crystal Palace v. Liverpool 1-1
Hull City v. Tottenham Hotspur 1-0
Manchester City v. Swansea City 2-2
Chelsea v. West Bromwich Albion 2-0
Arsenal v. Manchester United 1-2
Crystal Palace v. Liverpool 1-3
Hull City v. Tottenham Hotspur 0-1
Manchester City v. Swansea City 1-1
Chelsea v. West Bromwich Albion 2-1
Arsenal v. Manchester United 1-2
Crystal Palace v. Liverpool 1-0
Hull City v. Tottenham Hotspur 0-1
Man City 1 0 Swansea
Chelsea 2 1 West Brom
Arsenal 2 2 Man Utd
Palace 1 1 Liverpool
Hull 1 0 Spurs
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City 3-1 Swansea
Chelsea 2-1 WBA
Arsenal 3-1 Man Utd
Palace 1-1 Liverpool
Hull 1-2 Spurs
Man City 1-2 Swansea
Chelsea 4-1 West Brom
Arsenal 3-1 Man Utd
Palace 1-2 Liverpool
Hull 1-1 Spurs
Man City 3-1 Swansea
Chelsea 5-0 West Brom
Arsenal 4-3 Man Utd
Palace 2-3 Liverpool
Hull 0-2 Spurs
Why no Newcastle prediction? :)

Newcastle 2-1 QPR
Man City 1-1 Swansea
Chelsea 4-2 West Brom
Arsenal 1-1 Man Utd
Hull 1-2 Spurs
Villa 1-3 Southampton
My general feeling about the forums is fans of some teams need to go to specsavers. They have a distorted view of what will shape up in the next two months
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Your comment is quite vague, can you be more specific?


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