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Based on value for money this season alone.

signing of the season - Kante

Flop of the Season - Sissoko
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Flop of the season: Claudio Bravo
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Bravo actually did not so bad towards the end of the season when he was called back until he got that injury
Finances of the Top 6
(Spent/Let go = Net spend)

Chelsea------------------(112m/92m = +20m)
Spurs---------------------(70m/44m = +26m)
Manchester City-------(181m/30m = +151m)
Liverpool-----------------(67m/72m = -5m)
Arsenal-------------------(96m/8m = +88m)
Manchester United----(157m/40m = +107m)

Make that of what you will. But impressive from Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool. Poor from City and Arsenal and maybe United if they lose EL.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/startseite/wettbewerb/GB1
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You are posting statistics when City is going through major changes, if you post from one of Mancini's years or Pellegrini's years it will be a different story. Plus we have 7 more players going out this summer, so expect another busy year.
Aguerocity - I think those stats hold good for city over last 5/6 seasons not just this season.

If you notice Chelsea , Pool & Spurs have actually spent good amount of money during same period, but they have sold lot of players for good money to balance the books.

example: We sold Oscar + Ramires + Djilobodji for combined fee of about 85m and signed replacement like Kante + Luiz & Alonso spending same amount.

Selling is as important as buying.

http://www.totalsportek.com/money/premier-league-clubs-transfers-net-spend-last-5-years/
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A lot of deals went for an 'undisclosed' fee these days.
Also keep notice that some players are valued lower than others, like Ibra for instance, does he really cost 0 transfer fee?

His agent certainly would only smile at you if you believe that (.. Then add salary and goal bonuses).
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Some of those Chelsea sales have completely skewed the figures, though.

Luiz - £50m - worth about half, if we're honest
Oscar - £52m - bit part player, not a true star but China doesn't care
Djilly-willy - was it £8m? But I seem to recall you only spent something like £4m to get him and somehow his value went up 100% by warming your bench?

Arsenal could hypothetically sell Mertesacker and Debuchy to China next week for a combined £80m and suddenly Arsenal's figures look rosy, too.
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"Poor" and "impressive" relative to what? That there's a higher player turnover and thus more sales/lower net? If so, sure. But if a club makes money, and they spend it on transfers, doesn't mean they have to recoup that spend solely through player sales. Instead they can do it through merch, ticket sales, sponsors, etc. There are other ways to balance the books and finance buying.
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Deffy, if it's so easy then why doesn't money conscious arsenal do it? And be honest, to get a defender to play as good as luiz to start in a big club has cost teams more money than expected... and Chelsea got him back for less which was good business
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@Deffyduck

The deals still have to be made, no matter if they are inflated, Arsenal are more than welcome to take advantage of this market, so don't give me that crap. Weak argument.

We let go of Petr Cech for 11m, and you could argue he could easily be worth double that at the time.

Don't compare Arsenal's joke of a transfer committee Dick Law (same man who was responsible for that hilarious 40.01m bid for Suarez and being late for Ozil's meeting, increasing his price), with Chelsea, who are miles ahead in the art of negotiation and getting the most money for our departures, whether they are worth that or not ha.
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I don't think it is fair to go off one season, or even the last 5 or anything like that. You cannot place a value simply by price alone.

You have to think about what is being replaced also.

United had an aging squad that was begging for replacement players for a number of years and unfortunately we brought through too little quality and so had to spend big to get what we needed. We needed a Scholes replacement for instance, we didn't make one ourselves so we had to buy. Can you imagine how much a player like Paul Scholes would cost at his prime in today's money?

In 13/14 and 14/15 we lost Scholes, Giggs, Fletcher, Evra, Nani, Ferdinand, Vidic They were players that had been mainstay of the club for a long time, and we simply didn't have players bled in at the right time to just step in and replace them.

You also have to think about players that simply didn't work out. Schneiderlin and Memphis for example, we lost 20 million in one season just from buying and selling them on.

United isn't the only club this has happened to, and it won't be the last.
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You can't really control how selling players ends up going. First off the teams have to be interested in buying those players, if no one wants to pay for our players, we don't really have much control afterwards, either we keep them or take the best offer available.

As for Chelsea, how they ended up getting 50mil for Luiz and 60mil for Oscar is beyond me. What clowns did they negotiate with? I mean credit to the Chelsea management for pulling it off but it makes you wonder, what the hell was said in that room during the negotiations?
How about net spend of the last 3 years? You can't just buy multiple players one summer and win that season can you? Honest question, I can't remember a season where a team has spent loads and it's been justified just like that.
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Some chelsea fans could use a class in basic economics / accounting principles. Good job for selling some of your assets (brought in under massive deficits in prior years) and replacing them with even more expensive assets.

It's hilarious that Arsenal used to top that stat for years and Chelsea fans used any argument in the toolbox to downplay the fact, now all of a sudden it's impressive to be on the lower net spent ....
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A player who cost us 4m and played 4 minutes in total for us, we ended up selling for 8m lol. That's unreal business. Who the hell wanted him?

@Illman
It's also hilarious that for years Arsenal fans used to mock Chelsea for 'doing things the right way' and look at the shitshow that's going on behind the scene rn. Your own manager/board is basing an extension of his contract on one game. Insanity.

And arsenal fans for years have mocked Chelsea for spending loads as a result for thier success, while they didn't, well I'm not going to say we haven't spent big, cause we have, BUT Arsenal are spending big now too, 90m this season is not a small amount. And where has that got you? Money brings success alright.

Plenty in the toolbox that Arsenal fans used to brag about, now they can't.
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I'm not sure you get your intel on how the manager/board make their extension decisions. In anyways I have never been a fan of the board.

Fact is we have overperformed for years given our financial capacity, and the fact is we are now underperforming and every fan will tell you that.
Regardless, many fans including myself are proud of how the club stuck to its values towards its youngsters, style of play and respect for its manager. Players were mismanaged earlier in the years, maybe the money was not spent well recently, the manager may have not delivered and so be it, and there maybe nothing to write home about this season (or brag as you put it) but at least we stuck to our values and the manager was given a chance he deserved given his contribution to the club. Fans of other clubs may have different angle on what they expect from their clubs, like yourself. I know not even all Arsenal fans feel that way and that's fine.
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Guys don't take it as an attack, I'm just saying that literally two sales can (and, in Chelsea's case, did) have a huge impact on net spend.

Well done for milking every last penny out of those respective sales but all the OP did was cherry pick the best financial period (due to those inflated transfers) and then use it as evidence of success and declare everyone else a comparative failure.

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Illman "It's hilarious that Arsenal used to top that stat for years and Chelsea fans used any argument in the toolbox to downplay the fact, now all of a sudden it's impressive to be on the lower net spent "

Well the table has turned. Take it on your chin and move-on. Cheers!
@Illman
Hey, as long as your happy, I'm all for it.

@Deffy

It's simple, you can sugarcoat it all you want by saying inflation this, inflation that. But at the end of the day, Chelsea and Arsenal spent nearly the same amount of money this season and Arsenal are 18 points off of Chelsea. No one is stopping you from posting last seasons numbers, I'm sure it would shame Chelsea, but I'm just posting facts.
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@Bazinga "take it on your chin and move on" you are learning from me pretty well, keep it up ;)
Aguero,

Bazinga's been here 6 years longer than you; I don't think he is learning from you.
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One things i have learned from Aguerocity is "CL football is curse for big teams"

I'm not sure if he is happy about city making it to CL once again next season, since that ends the chance of them winning PL :)
The phrase "take it on the chin and move on" he definitely learned from me and i know he knows that
Log off - pack ur stuff - have good holiday
next season gonna be exciting
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Chelsea and I have so many big and amazing things in common. We have Russians supporting us, were making things great again, we really really like to fire people, everyone likes us, we are around rich people that have so much history, you have parked a bus and I talk dirty on a bus, I love this club. POTUS.
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Ok
+4
lol
spurgt
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heh, nice.
Manager of the year for you? For me its definitely Pochettino 86 points 86 goals even though played in both the Champions League and Europa league
Conte.
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Klopp for me. Despite that thin squad of his, he managed to secure fourth place over us and Utd, who are arguably more stacked and 2 points behind a heavily stacked City. Yeah, there is a good case for Poch, but Poch's team is arguably superior to Klopp's. So Klopp has my vote.
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Conte in a heart beat. Poch's team got knocked out in both comp in the early stage imo that to me is already ruled him out.
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Conte easy. Look at his signings. Luiz, Alonso, Mitchy, Kante, Eduardo. Would anyone have thought with the squad that suffered last season and with the additions he brought in, he would wreak the league they way he did and on his first season in the PL? I thought he would struggle and he did early on but turned things around and put everyone to shame because truthfully Luiz and Cahill in any regular formation are seen as average but made them look like world beaters. Alonso was a Bolton and Viola player and Moses was a long time reject. He deserves it hands down.
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@Moe66
I agree with Conte, he won the league respectably.
The thing is.. Kante, he would fit into almost any team!
He also has Hazard, Costa, Fabregas.. and so on and so on.. world beaters and very luxurious players.

Truthfully, these players shot themselves on the foot last season.. They aren't bad players, they won the league comfortably the season before.. they just basically 'rebelled'. Player-wise, the squad is a very good quality squad and the depth is there.. plus the money has always been there!

He has done good, but struggle with that kind of squad..?
Difficult.
Ok we had a good squad and no CL this season. But it takes someone really special to get best out of players playing new system which non of them had ever played before. To do this in his 1st season in PL against managers like Jose , Pep , Wenger , Klopp is not as easy as some people are making it look.

Especially after the kind of season we had season before and bad defeats against rivals start of season. I bet Luiz , Cahill , Moses and Alonso would not have perform at same level playing for any other big team in PL.

He wanted Koulibaly but got Luiz , Tried for Lukaku & Morata but got Michy ,Tried for different LWB and settled for Alonso. I think Kante is the only target he wanted and got.

Conte has lost only 12 times over 152 league games as club manager in his last 4 season. Dropping only 90 points from 456. This includes helping Juve become "Invincibles" in his 1st season after they had finished 7th season before and setting new PL record with 30 league wins in 1st season as PL manager....I'm sure It must be Conte getting the best out of player and the other way round.

Moe66 you were spot-on!
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How much did you pay for Alonso? i know a lot of ppl talking about Kante but for me Alonso was better
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Azeal Kante would fit into any team but we were the ones who got him seeing that, and Conte would probably deserve some credit for that too.
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Conte wins by a long shot. First season in the most competitive league vs 2 of the top 5 managers and he beat them comfortably as they end up 15 and 24 points in the abyss underneath the Don.

Poch has obviously improved but he's a bridesmaid for the second season in a row chocking in crucial matches vs us last season and West Ham this season. Also we BEAT THEM TWICE so no to argue here imo.

30 wins PL record in a season and 13 str8 wins matching previous record and 93 points only second to our record 95 is an incredible feat. Infact he's made pl look easier than wed like to admit
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Obviously Conte - set several new records on the way to clinching the title in his debut season.

Pochettino has done wonders for Spurs but ultimately they finish the season trophyless again, knocked out of TWO European competitions in one season having been beaten by the actual champs.

honourable mention for Paul Clement who absolutely bailed Swansea out this season and looks to have restored their mojo at the other end of the table.
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Congratulations to @ChelseaFC boss Antonio Conte - @Barclays Premier League Manager of the Season for 2016/17!
@AgueroCity comparison between Kante and Alonso makes no sense. Even if it did, Alonso better than Kante? Really?
when i say Alonso better than Kante i mean he had more influence overall on the games. He's runs down the left channel were pretty good, most full backs had a hard time dealing with him cos he is so fast
Well, Kante did well before joining Chelsea.. No?

The way you're saying it, as if he owes Chelsea his career.
He won the league with a weaker squad the season before, incase you forget.
conte made victor moses into a starting player for a title-winning team. that is all.
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Ohh Arsenal, you've ran out of artillery this time around☹ Why Wenger still manager😵
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Well you know, when the bank is controlled by a man who runs numerous unsuccessful sport clubs (or so I've been told), there's only so far you can go.
what an entertaining last week
The score sheet is.. Kinda festive.. Goal galore.
CHELSEA, WHY U WIN TITLE🏆 All jokes aside congrats🤝🏽hopefully we have more entertaining season next year, no one likes a one or two horse race, leave that for the other leagues.
Lol a little late to the party, buddy. I think this year it was a case of one team being exceptionally good at all aspects rather than the others being very bad. Next year (hopefully) Pep and Jose mount a challenge.

Pocchettino has done a phenomenal job - but remains to be seen if he can take the next step into title territory. Klopp obviously is amazing. Much is expected out of Pep and Jose though - given the unlimited funding at hand once again this summer
Pep and Jose ended up having harder jobs than even they thought IMO. Klopp and Poch are both in interesting positions where their teams have done well, but still need to win something. Wenger with a decent finish and chance for both the FA Cup and 4th place. Of course credit goes to Conte for motivating that team of title-winning players and putting them in a system where they were most effective. Shoutout to Koeman too, the gap between 7 and 8 isn't by coincidence.
To be honest I believe we can excuse Pep more than Mou for not doing so well, even though it's ultimately down to the players performing, Mou knows what this league brings, Pep did not.
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5 of the 11 starting players this season were not from title winning team.

IMO his job was as harder or even more than other 5 big team managers. who all had der own problems to deal with. No wonder start of season everyone predicted Pep or Jose to run away with title. i cant remember anyone predicting Chelsea to win because they had team with title winning players..Infact many doubted top-4 finished after the kind of season we had and since it was Conte's 1st season in PL.

Every manager had equally hard job..period!
Bazinga, you sound like Jose, getting so defensive from a compliment ;)
Have to be when people keep calling it title winning side when half of the team is not. I'm sure you have seen some even calling it lucky title and coming-up with excuses ...just scroll down :).
The expectations where high for all three new managers in Pep, Mou and Conte. The only reason people thought Pep and Mou would win is because they both spend a lot of money. Pep and Mou couldn't fix their problems right away and where forced to be patient while Conte found a solution right off the bat to get his boys to play his style and win the title. I predicted Chelsea to be in the top 4 but I did not expect them to blow everyone away the way they did.
If 6 of 11 (more than half) starters have won a title at the club, add in Kante who won it last year, Pedro and Luiz who have had success overseas, to me that qualifies as a team of title-winning players. But that's not a slight, there's a reason it's so hard to repeat in this league; it's also a challenge to win it again with players who have already been there. And if there was any luck involved, it's because the players created it for themselves, I always said the same when people called us lucky. But just my two cents.
Interesting thoughts:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39952203

Do you think playing at Wembley will hurt Spurs next season?
They have been outperforming most of the other 5 teams that tend to compete alongside them.

I don't see how 2 extra M on the side will be inhibitory to their chances.

I suspect future wages to be an issue tbh.
Not just pitch dimensions, but rather the feeling that they don't really have an out-and-out "home" next season. Perhaps smaller clubs relishing the chance to "play at Wembley" and upping their game.

Of course, Spurs have a good enough squad to overcome these small intangibles.


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PTS
GD
GA
GF
L
D
W
Pl
Pos
93
52
33
85
5
3
30
38
1
86
60
26
86
4
8
26
38
2
78
41
39
80
6
9
23
38
3
76
36
42
78
6
10
22
38
4
75
33
44
77
9
6
23
38
5
69
25
29
54
5
15
18
38
6
61
18
44
62
11
10
17
38
7
46
-7
48
41
16
10
12
38
8
46
-12
67
55
16
10
12
38
9
45
-8
51
43
17
9
12
38
10
45
-17
64
47
17
9
12
38
11
44
-15
63
48
18
8
12
38
12
44
-15
56
41
16
11
11
38
13
41
-13
63
50
21
5
12
38
14
41
-25
70
45
21
5
12
38
15
40
-16
55
39
20
7
11
38
16
40
-28
68
40
20
7
11
38
17
34
-43
80
37
22
7
9
38
18
28
-26
53
27
20
13
5
38
19
24
-40
69
29
26
6
6
38
20
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