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Despite all the jokes I feel bad for Moyes. Utd might have had a disastrous season but he only really made two major signings to the club since he arrived, one of them being a major flop. I mean at the very least he deserved a second season at Utd or else why did they give him a 6 year deal? They put trust in him then and why not now? Did the management think it was going to be a piece of cake this season with the mess that was left for him after SAF left. You look at Liverpool and Rodgers situation. He went from Swansea to Liverpool and despite the fact Liverpool weren't defending champs he had massive pressure on his back with the target of finishing top four but he didn't he finished 7th place but they stuck with him despite all the criticism and gave him the time to grow with the team and look at him now on the verge of wining the PL title after a long drought and his a top contender for PL manager of the year. Its sad to see the Moyes end this way with Utd because time is crucial and its something a manager needs, he needed a good summer transfer to rebuild the whole squad but the board wants to start pointing fingers and make changes to the team to get the fans back on their side so they toss him out like that without him completing a single full season with Utd. The players themselves need to be ashamed of their performances, just so poor even against sides they could beat.
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I think it all came down the fact that he lost the dressing room. At the end of the day it was simple maths: "It's cheaper to sack a manger, than to sack a whole team."
you shouldnt really compare the brendan rodgers situation to the moyes one, yes liverpool did finish 7th last year but even then they still played decent football and also got very unlucky in many cases for example hitting the post a record breaking number of times. he also signed some excellent players for cheap and showed signs of progress.
moyes inherited a team that won the title by 11 points a few months earlier and ripped it to shreds, with the purchase of the most expensive flop in history along with his awful tactics(e.g. aimless crossing for 90 mins) and team selections(consistently playing an out form young and forcing an injured rooney in the team) coupled with the fact that his team didnt play with any heart or spirit and his players didnt respect him and didnt play for him. having said all that, he shouldnt be used as a scapegoat the players and the board are also largely to blame
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Rodgers showing signs that he was building something, that he had a plan. Even though the results were mixed, it was clearly visible they were progressing in that respect. He bought in very good players for so less (Coutinho, Sturridge etc), he made a statement of intent when he rejected Arsenal's bid for Suarez.

Moyes didn't have a clue. "I don't know what we need to do to win." - this is the proof. Sacking him is right IMO. But I feel sorry for the man because he's such a nice guy and his career has got such a battering. And it's not completely his fault.

EDIT: Didn't see Jamesutd's post.. 'purchase of the most expensive flop in history' that would be us with Torres :)
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2610713/David-Moyes-openly-sneered-sniggered-Manchester-United-stars.html

Turns out Moyes was openly criticized and disrespected by his own players in front of others. If any of this is true, then its a damn shame. The players themselves should be partially responsible for the season (Notice I said partially)They behave like this when everyone here would give up anything to be a pro footballer.

Not just at United but this happens everywhere. Including Messi when he openly defied Pep when he was at barca, RVP openly disrespecting fellow players at Arsenal etc.

Modern day Footballers are truly spoilt. They don't realize how lucky they are
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I know I would get a lot of stick for this because I am labeled as a Messi fan boy, but Messi drinking Coke when Gurdiola told him not to is not defying. In fact I support this behavior because this lets anyone know what they can and can't control. Who the f is Guardiola to tell any person(maybe with the exception of his children) what they can and can't drink?
Because Guardiola is in charge of the team. Just the same way your boss is in charge of the office/your place of work. Your boss dictates the rules and they are to be followed. If your boss says a certain dress code is mandatory/no cell phones at work etc then you obey it. If your coach tells you no coke 5 minutes before the game because it could lead to you being sluggish and letting the whole team down...then you obey it. If you choose not to, then you suffer the repercussions.

I dare Messi to do that in front of SAF lol. That can of coke and his head would have been slapped so hard at the same time that his little self would have went into a corner and cried about it knowing theres not a damn thing he would do. Ronaldo started the whole lockeroom politics thing only after he left United and went to Madrid. Throwing tantrums and openly showing his disappointment when the ball is not passed to him lol. Just ask Beckham what happens when you mess about with an old school coach and you'll get the answer
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1. No the owner(committee) is in charge of the team.

2. My boss doesn't tell me what I can and can't eat or drink.

3. If Messi was coached by SAF, he will be more important to the club than SAF.
Did you say more important than SAF?...lol i guess you are a deluded Messi fanboy. And NO the owner is not in charge of the team, the manager is. The owner is in charge of the club which is completely different. So as a player if your coach advices you not to do something it is for your own good and in turn for the team. No matter how good a player is it doesn't change the fact that he has to follow orders from his manager as he is his boss.

There is a reason why Fergie enjoyed unprecedented success for 20 yrs and most of it was due to how much control he had over his players. He ruled over the players with an iron fist and is also of the reasons for his longevity and success.

Oh and you are not a professional athlete so your deterioration of body by eating bad food/drink doesn't affect your boss directly and when it does you'll get fired simple as that...but when an athlets' well being also correlates to his teams' performance and his manager's plan the manager has the full right to tell him what to eat and drink which is why most professional players are on a strict diet during the season and its part of their contract to follow that regiment.
1. The owner transfers his authority down to the manager. He trusts the manager to lead the team which he/she so invested for the sole reason of expecting results. The name on the back of the shirt is never important than the one in front.

2. Don't use syllogistic examples when comparing two different professions. This is your whole argument in a nutshell
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i) Messi does not allow Pep to dictate what he does/does not drink

ii) Messi is an employee like everyone else and so am I

iii) I will not allow my boss to dictate what I drink, and do not drink in real life.
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Different professions come with different rules and guidelines. It is up to the manager to oversee these said guidelines. Some managers may be laxed while others may not. Off course your manager cannot enforce what you can/cannot drink. It is not important for him to keep you healthy now is it? But Messi's fitness is Pep's no.1 priority whether you like it or not. If Messi does not perform like he ought to, then Pep's ass is on the line.

Messi can enjoy a coke anytime he pleases, but during pre-game talks when the game is 15 minutes away?

3. No offense but your last example is laughable. Its like saying Kenny Dalglish is more important to Liverpool than Bill Shankly. One is arguably one of the best if not up there among Liverpool players. The latter cannot be described by superlatives as to the contributions he made to Liverpool


I play non-professionally these days but still competitively. My coach sends around an email of what we are to eat before each match, half the time the team will organise breakfast together to make sure everybody abides by this. Also if we drink alcohol the night before we are benched. This is amateur league stuff compared to Messi so I'm not at all suprised he's not allowed a soft drink before a match, it's hardly going to do much good for an athlete to drink soda.
@Johny
The problem is not confined to just football. Admittedly I am spoilt myself, as are 3/4 of everyone my generation. The next generation sure looks worse though. And I do mean for every profession, not just football.

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in regards to the atletico game, it was best defense in england vs the best defense in spain of course it was gonna be a low scoring result. and there was nothing wrong with chelseas approach youre not supposed to go to the best team in la liga and go all out attack what matters is getting a decent result away from home and chelsea did that so dont let any complaints from others bother you
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attractive football and trophies are not mutually exclusive. It's not like our style of play comes at the expense of trophies. Other things come in the way.

I have personally nothing against the way chelsea played today. but bus complex much?
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Dude calm your tits down...I mean the Chelsea side who won the CL a few years ago, was parking the bus. But that's understandable, since the quality the side possessed at that time was mediocre compared to any other year of of Chelsea. What gets on my nerves is that with the freaking amazing side you have this year you still play a football brand that only teams with no quality like west ham implement.....
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Why are you whining in here for? Shouldn't this be on the CL forum?
since when was the last time u played attractive football?.. stop complaining and dont let yourself down.
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@Toronto: No need for this here, the Chelsea forum or anywhere else on the site. You want to rant, start a blog.

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It was hinted early on in the season these four wont be at the club very long. How did we not see this. Sherlock !!!!
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Illuminati.
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Does anyone know how much money each spot is given at the end of the season?

For example Liverpool is in debt and has been hemorrhaging money for a season or two now, wondering how much of the income from getting into the top 4 will change that.
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Champs League money last year:
Playoffs: €2,100,000
Base fee for group stage: €8,600,000
Group match victory: €1,000,000
Group match draw: €500,000
Round of 16: €3,500,000
Quarter-finals: €3,900,000
Semi-finals: €4,900,000
Losing finalist: €6,500,000
Winning the Final: €10,500,000
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Last year's league money

1st Man u - Prize £15m + tv £13.4m : £61.4m
2nd City - Prize £14.3m + tv £12.9m : £60.2m
3rd Chelsea - Prize £13.5m + tv £10.6m : 57.1m
4th Arsenal - Prize £12.8m + tv £10.1m : 55.9m

Which is a lot of money if you combine them altogether. Also think about a packed stadium, wider fan base, increase in shirt sales, etc.
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There will be a lot of extra money but most of it comes from being in the Champion's League, not from finishing higher up the table.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YYfl9KBLd9A

Gary got it all wrong on MNF!! lol "Manchester United is not a sacking club!"
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Yeah, because one year changes that. A year that saw a manager bring a squad from 1st to 7th, with a dramatic decrease in the quality of football played, no challenges on any silverware front, no confidence with the press, and losing the dressing room. Manchester United still isn't a sacking club- one manager didn't earn more time here, so the decision was made., unfortunate for you. It's not as if we're forcing him out after a season of finishing 3rd in the league with an FA and European Cup victory. His run of results was dismal.
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What are you talking about? The previous time United sacked a coach was in 1986. Doesn't sound like a sacking club to me.
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And of course...it had to be a Liverpool supporter, no surprise there. *yawn*
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United aren't a sacking club just because they've done it once in nearly three decades...
Damn Liverpool fan, ban him lol
All i im saying is that Gary got it wrong this time lol calm down you guys. Or did he not say that united is not a sacking club in the video??? It was from MNF this monday.
A club that sacks a manager once in 25 years does not designate it a "sacking club." You're either very misinformed about the terminology, or just very wrong. Your choice.
It's been a really strange season. Every team found themselves supporting a rival team at some point this season.
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Who supported us LastGrasp?
I know Utd fans were early in the season. And Chelsea/City were rooting for us to beat the other respectively.
United and Chelsea fans started supporting each other
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Why would even anyone support us Gunners besides our selves?
Liverpool fans like us, and we like em... We both have th common hate that is Chelsea, city and MU lol
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I feel like Liverpool, Arsenal and City kinda have supported one another a lot this season.

I supported Chelsea once against united though xD
Liverpool fans support Arsenal. I'd like to see them win that damn FA cup!

It's been Liverpool & Arsenal / Chelsea & United fans forming a 'bond' lol
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Chillax folks, of course i know that we got the lfc fan-base to supports on our hardest times. even some city fans also, the same.

Weezer: yes man, everyone helping each other for the trophy. :P
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List of Moyes achievements in his short time at ManU. Quite the record -breaker!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJSCsL9qwJQ#t=148
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