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http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11662/9905262/raheem-sterling-is-most-valuable-young-player-in-europe-says-study

flooded with premier league players. only considered players that were 20 or younger starting January 1 2015 (aka no kane)

who are the biggest misses? most questionable inclusions? diabolical price?

1. Raheem Sterling (Liverpool) £35m

3. Memphis Depay (Man Utd) £23.9m

9. Luke Shaw (Man Utd) £18m

11. Kurt Zouma (Chelsea) £16.2m

15. Emre Can (Liverpool) £12.1m

16. John Stones (Everton) £12m

18. Divock Origi (Liverpool) £10.9m

19. Calum Chambers (Arsenal) £10.7m

20. Hector Bellerin (Arsenal) £10.5m

liverpool 3, arsenal 2, man utd 2, chelsea 1, everton 1.

for me, im surprised to see bellerin and can there. i know can's been great for u21 germany team but he looks full of mistakes when i've seen him for liverpool: he's looked lost in midfield, and error prone in defense. bellerin is quality going forward, but defensive liability: somehow escaped a penalty or red card nearly every time i watched him.
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Don't know what matches you have watched but Can has been great. A little lost in CM sometimes but generally good.
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Zouma should be number 1, the guy is an absolute beast for his age.
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Where is Jamie Ward Prowse??

Sign him up before those bastards drive up his price!
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^By the time we get in contact with them, their going to like, 35mil bitches!
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Can played rarely in the midfield. He is error prone at the back because he is not a f*****g CB.
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Rugani is missing from that list and I would not put Marquinhos in top 3.
Also I think at this moment Depay is worth more than Sterling if you discount the English factor.
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Why is shaw there??? He's always on the injury table to actually be given a valuation
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When he has played though, he has been quite good. I do agree that #9 is high for someone who had an injury ridden season
Tbh chambers is more error prone than Bellerin. Dude get caught off guard multiple times last season. Bellerin is a liability in attack and defence. Especially with his pace.
He has been playing in the epl for 3-4 seasons and he's 19 turning 20 in a week. At 17 he played 36 or so games as a starter for Southampton. He has lots of games under his belt, just not many for us. His 76 league games are more than bellerin(20) or chamlbers(45) combined, thanks for noticing.
Nani sold for £4.25 mil, Podolski for £1.8 mil O_0
I know the market is inflated but this is rediculously low fees for somewhat quality players. I think both of them will be sold for a profit by next year. Good deals for the buyers, not so much for the sellers...
Nani is low but Podolski not really. The problem with Nani is that he is on big wages and it is obvious that he is not wanted at his team and that lowers the price greatly.

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It's too bad Nani is so damn inconsistent. He could've have been one of the best with his talent.
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That's what happens when you sit on the bench a lot....and you earn a lot of money. You have to find a team that wants to pay them their current deal.
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imo what makes most sense is the player was for sale, so utd willing to sell on the cheap, and the player didn't want a paycut on his current wages. player has an overall value, so in order to maintain wages, the transfer fee was cut. if we sell rvp, you'd expect a similar price unless there is heavy competition for his signature.
That's what happens when you fall out of favor in your squad I guess. Then you go out on loan and don't do jack s**t...drives your valuation down that much more. I'm still surprised at how low those prices are though...despite the wages
Capoue joined Watford. Good signing fr the new boys. Capoue is actually really good before joining spurs, rmb the top clubs were after him
usa-japan 2-0 after 5 min haha, this game is probably over
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holy s***, is anybody watching the game? that has to be the fastest hat trick in almost any game on any level, with 15 min for lloyd from USA
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Sadio Mane had scored hat trick within 2mins 56 seconds. and Robbie Fowler had also scored hat trick under 5mins.

or maybe you mean in any WC final on any level.
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ha yes, I meant any world cup final men/woman/youth etc
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Well done USAWNT

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/34/34dc348757fb77da3c6412990dd96af9f29ac8ae25678a1e7c4d3ca8b8c8aebf.jpg
Heard shaqiri is coming to stoke which means they are doing some good businesses.I would love to see them push hard n snatch Ucl spot and set up a match of ages match with Barcelona,lol.that will be the ultimate battle to decide which of them are best in history;-)

So stay tuned for dark knight vs man of steel:-)
and then we will finally know for sure if Messi can do it on a cold, rainy Wednesday night in Stoke.

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can anyone do an analysis for english teams vs spanish teams in group stages vs KO round stages in europe for the last 10 years?

there's an interesting argument on how the lack of winter break and congested holiday fixture list just shatters english teams relative to counterparts in europe.

it's probably a mixture of things but i'm starting to think english teams are just tactically naive in europe compared to other leagues and suffer for it in KO stages.
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So I've just done a quick tally of matches since the 2006/06 Champions League, and these are the figures I got:

Group Stage individual matches:
Spanish teams- 5 wins
English teams-11 wins

Knockout Stage individual matches:
Spanish teams- 14 wins
English teams- 10 wins

While doing the tallies, it was apparent that English teams were generally more successful from 2005-2010, whereas Spanish teams were generally more successful from 2010-2015. I can't say how much of that has to do with a winter break. I think it's more down to what you're saying mate, that English teams are a bit more tactically naive and sometimes fail to adapt play to the European style.
2010-15 Evaluation of Messi and Ronaldo
yeah on second thought, it's just hard to tease out what im looking for specifically, never mind. thanks anyway joey.
New FIFA Ranking top 10:
1 Argentina
2 Germany
3 Belgium
4 Colombia
5 Netherlands
6 Brazil
7 Portugal
8 Romania
9 England
10 Wales

Romania (eighth) and Wales (10th) will now be ranked higher than Spain (11th), Copa America winners Chile (12th), Italy (17th) and France (22nd).


lol...........
So what did Romania and Wales do to be top 10 in the world ? Honest question here lol
Their rankings aren't opinion based. It's all math.
A points system is used, with points being awarded based on the results of all FIFA-recognised full international matches. Under the existing system, rankings are based on a team's performance over the last four years, with more recent results and more significant matches being more heavily weighted to help reflect the current competitive state of a team.

The current calculations based points gained or lost on these factors:
(1)result(2)match status(3)opposition strength (4) regional strength

Winning (3pts), winning on pen(2pts), draw(1), loss on pen(1), loss(0)

Match status is the main factor that has lifted Argentina from 3rd to 1st. A multiplier of 2.5 is given for Continental competitions and 3 for finals. Losing in the finals on penalties(result), gives points. Losing regularly doesn't.

Opposition multiplier is (200-rank position)/100
So Chile(19) was 1.81 multiplier.

RANKING POINTS=100(result X status X opposition X region)
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Romania though?
Wales V Belgium (1-0) gives Wales a huge amount of points since Belgium was 2nd place.

100(3x1x1.98x0.99)= 588.06 points

I like this better than a system of football opinions. FIFA is f****d up but they aren't completley wrong with this system. I personally don't like the region system but when it's a math based system where form is more heavily weighed than history, im happy
Friendlies games shouldn't be count and should be base only on major tournament imo
I heard its cuz Romania are unbeaten atm and are first in the group
@REDDevil98
Fair point. I used to think that until i heard it explained. Counting only major tournaments punish smaller national teams. Especially those who can't qualify regularly. Not qualifying or getting knocked out early for the WC or continental would make it impossible to climb the ladder.

The FIFA rankings are only important for the World cup seating. So the higher you group, the better chance of facing "weak teams".
Still wondering how we (England) are in 9th place...
England has been undefeated since 2014 world cup v Uruguay.

However, the only good team they faced since is Italy (0-0)
Yeah exactly England should be in top 5.
They faced very low ranking teams.
Food for thought...

‏@sidlowe
If Higuain takes those two chances one year apart, is Messi the best player of all time?
Messi is the best player of all time, its a shame Argentinean teammates aren't helping
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Messi is best player regardless of whether he win WC or not , its just basically saying that 7 WC > 160 to 180 matches a player players for his club over average of 4 season .

I read and listen to some people mixing two thing quality and what players value more , CL is more competitive and have better quality but i'm sure most players will prefer to win a WC then CL .
7 matches to unify and bond with a team you don't play with that regularly and win the biggest prize in football with the world watching

vs.

160 matches and a tournament where most of it is two legs and where you can afford the odd bad game and slip up with much much less people watching and a team whom you play with regularly

Now how about doing both? And doing both as an already renowned player who we already have high expectations of. That's where Messi falls short on the international level.

And that's all i'm saying, don't come at me by saying I am neglecting everything Messi has done with Barcelona or that WC > CL, because that is not what I'm saying at all.
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Idk if he is the best yet, but by the end of his career he definitely will be.
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It's about how people perceiving things,for me maradona us best of all time for some reason and I haven't seen anyone as good as messi,even maradona on talent n skill alone.that's my stance here..
I hate the term "best ever". You can't compare generations. Football has developed so much idk if it's fair to say compare.
Of course Messi would be "more talented", the norm of football has improved and will always continue.

Think about it, Cruyff "invented" faking a cross or a pass convincingly. Every attacking player in modern football can do that now. Does that make Agureo better than Cruyff?

All I'm saying is, legends are legends. But no one should ever be considered the all time great.
So apparently City set to sign Delph for £8m with reportedly £100k/wk.

But thats not what is important or funny to me lol. Cuz I rmb in January theres a show i watched fully called " Premier League World", an Episode about Delph new contract extension with AV.

---------------He said-------

"The fans have been great with me, the chairman has been absolutely fantastic with me and I have a great relationship with the manager and I see the boys here as my brothers, my family and I am delighted to stay here.

"I am a loyal person and committing my future will hopefully show everybody what type of guy I am.

"There was no way I was going to bail out. I am here for the long run."

Manager Paul Lambert added: "It's great for Aston Villa. It's great for Fabian. I think this is a massive, massive step.

"The thing with modern-day football and loyalty is there's not so much of it - you very rarely get people who stay at a football club for a long, long time."


LOL xD how football can change!
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Delph welcome to the City bench.
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£100k every week for sitting in a comfortable bench. Perfect job lol
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Football players should seriously cut the crap. Swearing eternal love to the club, and when they sign for a new club it is a child dream come true, kiss the badge. Exposed to ridicule at best, they should be forced by the law to hang a poster of Totti or Di Natale on the wall
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I am not talking about City alone here, do you know what I mean
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Lol when u put it like that, it is my dream job. And on top of that he gets to watch every man city game in the stadium for free.
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Well when you look at most of the loyal players they stay because they are regularly winning trophies with their teams so they really don't have to move to seek further glories, it's guys like Ashley Cole that get in my nerve, who clearly left better team for more money, while have huge respect to players like Gerrard and Totti who sticked with their club through all the struggles.
Yh but wouldn't you leave for another job had you been offered a higher salary? Its not that shocking when you think about it that way.
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representing England in the League and in CL, by sitting on the bench. what a shame.
@bluffmaster, I would look at it as how much I could contribute to the new team rather than more salary, as if what they already have isn't enough for them. Suarez's departure makes sense, better salary while still playing regularly, while Delph might ruin his career for better salary for few more years.
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if he rejects city, doesn't that kinda show his lack of ambition? i understand fans expect players to be "loyal" and stuff. but it's their job nonetheless. i am sure most of you all would've done the same thing if you were in his position unless you are like a born aston villa fan or something, and even then it would be very tempting.
@sayrox, maybe he would be called less ambitious but we all know he won't be playing footy there as he would want to, means less contribution, which definitely wouldn't be as sweet.
I dont mind him moving to city. Its just the comments he made after signing new 5 YEAR CONTRACT for Aston Villa in January, saying he's unlike those unloyal players and will be at AV for a LONG RUN .


Surely this will be some sort of setback and a feeling of betrayal for the club and fans


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