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Nice Blatter debate going below. Rare that we football fans unite on something together. I have a controversial argument here that Blatter's election could actually be the better outcome. Don't get me wrong, the guy doesn't deserve it, his speech after the victory was wrong on so many levels (pretty pathetic).

However, FIFA is an organization with a corrupt structure supported by unethical and rotten culture that's been developed and possibly even strengthened with decades of mismanagement. So removing its head is sort of like trying to renovate the penthouse of a very shaky building (or cover the building with some fancy material to make it look shiny). It will only mask the problem removing the higher incentive to actually fix it. The 2 interestings things with these allegations are: 1. why charge them now? and 2. the sponsors negative public reaction.

It could be better to keep Blatter, the face and symbol of what's wrong with FIFA, until more allegations are made pushing sponsors over the edge and hope they put their money where their mouth is. Looking at it with a bit of pragmatism will show that money is possibly the best way of fixing this. The only voice that can guide FIFA is the one that hands them the money, largely their sponsors.

It would be interesting to hear what fellow fans think about this.

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Another incident of $$ over everything , fell bad for the guy , I remember how rosell ( our ex president ) lied and pushed abidal out of the club :'(
God Dammit!!!!!!!

I honestly hope UEFA boycotts the next two world cups because without Spain, Germany, France, Holland, Italy, Portugal and England its about as interesting as the Copa America. Hell America could probably make it to the Quarter finals.
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I mean, not boycotting the Qatar World Cup is basically saying we support human rights violation.
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Nothing can touch Blatter, not even a speck of dust. Pure dictatorship ruling by him
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There should be a term limit of two terms.
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Many major events have their violations of human rights to be fair.

Olympics: The mining company that provided all of the medals involved in the deaths of up to 15,000 people on the island of Bougainville in Papua New Guinea from mining.

Brazil 2014/16:forced displacements and evictions, forced labour, discrimination, lack of consultation of affected communities, child labour, and violent repression of protesters.

Russia 2014(mostly likely for their world cup too):Migrant workers employed on major Olympic venues—including the Central Olympic Stadium, the Main Olympic Village, and the Main Media Center—have faced exploitation and abuse. Some migrant workers building Sochi's Olympic venues and infrastructure were cheated of wages, and in isolated cases were denied wages for weeks or months. Some migrant workers worked 12-hour shifts with one day off per month, had their passports confiscated, were denied employment contracts, and faced unsanitary and overcrowded employer-provided accommodations, with up to 200 migrant workers living in a one single-family home. In some cases, employers retaliated against migrant workers who protested abuses by denouncing them to the authorities, resulting in the workers' expulsion from Russia.

Japan/Korea 2002: long list of forced relocation and child labour/abuse

I'm not even nit picking, I could really keep on going:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=aKdoVcKzOdeiyASnwYHQDg&url=http://www.brunel.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/316745/Child-Protection-and-the-FIFA-World-Cup-FINAL.pdf&ved=0CB0QFjAA&usg=AFQjCNFDsDsUuN3G9TTS2lbUiRqpKJihoA

Pages 15-16 for more examples
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Not pointing this out to defend Qatar(don't think they should host it) but I'll play a little bit of devil's advocate.

As to say: Being involved in any major world event is basically supporting human rights violation
Micky: That's what i have been saying on these chats for years. The truth of the matter is that the world cup, olympics and so on in their current state are unsustainable. They are a waste of money and leaves the countries who host it in ridiculous amount of debt. Also people here keep saying that europe should drop like uefa is much better. They call for a democratic process when thier demands are pretty much make fifa euro centric and lets not forget that Lennart Johansson was president of uefa for 16 years!!!!!! Upon winning in 2007, platini has remained till now. I agree that fifa needs an overhaul but people acting like uefa is the bastion of hope are just fooling themselves. Btw, several european nations voted for blatter as well
@Khessler: i guess you shouldn't support manchester city either then. Everyone is happy to take middle eastern and russian money when it comes to club football. where do you think those companies are making their money? Also what about the way many european nations are treating migrants who travel there?

I am in no way defending qatar but some consistency would be nice.

I personally think its time the burden of the competition fell on the only people who makes money from this thing. f*****g Fifa after its been overhauled of course and isn't run like a mafia. They could purchase land build studiums and a village around it which can then be used for numerous competitions. The eliminates alot of the current problems with the traveling competition and the ludicrous amounts of issues that comes with it. like holy s**t who thought building a stadium in a jungle in brazil was a good idea?
@Micky I don't think The Brazil world cup was proper either. The Countries who host the world cup should have the infrastructure necessary to host already so that going into debt to construct the venues would not be a thing. IS that Discriminatory? Yeah but its better than giving it to countries who financially can't support it. There are many countries who can support it. And the difference between the Qatar world cup and the ones you mention above is that A number of migrant workers have already died and the prediction is that around 4,000 people will die in the construction of the Qatar venues. In Brazil around ten workers died. Ill take forced relocation over deaths any day.
@Khessle forced relocations without adequate compensation is not far form murder. They are moved with nothing else given after. Poor, out of work, and out of home. Read the follow ups on inadequate relocation.

Death is horrible but there's a reason why human rights violations have a list longer than just that. Child abuse and near slave labor is not acceptable. These people have basically given their life away to 84-hour a week work with little to no pay and injury would end your employment. Speaking out will get you sent back to where you came.

Neither is acceptable

I gave a VERY short list of violations. I can find more if you want.
I would assume you think USA deserves to host it. They have one of the most lenient migrant workers programs. The UN rebukes U.S. blind eye to this loophole. Where programs like U.S. guestworker program traps migrants in US soil without a visa.
for the brazil world cup. there were protests about it but that didnt really see the light of day until 6 months the tournament kicks off (which was when there were construction problems and deaths caused by it).

If they were going to boycott the world cup it will be the Russia one since that one is under fire as well just not as bad as Qatars

A lot of people has known that FIFA has been corrupted for ages. Just no one done anything about unti now
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Forced relocation is not nearly the same thing. And Im not talking about a countries history I'm talking about the actual building for the world cup. The US has a terrible human rights record despite what it says but If we were to host it we would not have to build anything. I think Australia or the US should get it for 2022. Basically you'll never find a country with clean hands but the world cup should not be given to a country who is dirtying there hands in the process. If Brazil needs to displace thousands of people then it shouldnt be awarded the world cup. If thousands of people are gonna die in Qatar then it should not be given the world cup. If Russia continues to have a ban on being Gay then it should not be given the world cup.
The brazil world cup protests had been going on for much much longer. Unless u get your news strictly from mainstream media it was hard to now know of the protests going on leading up to it. It was around even around the time they wanted to make a bid for the competition.

I also disagree with noone has done anything till now. Alot of people have tried and this isn't the first big bust that has occurred with fifa. It usually leads to nothing but other people just filling in in the vacant seats to take their piece of the pie and just as corrupt as their predecessor.

If russia is to be boycotted then A US held one should be as well. People want to use their involvement in ukraine but do you know how many conflicts the united states are involved in? Who do you think sells all those weapons to saudi arabia which is then used to massacre the people in yemen or weapons used by isreal on the palestinians.
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@Khessler I understand and agree with you on that. I'm just taking up the contrary point to prove something which you understand.

It's very hard though to have a drawn line on who qualifies outside of infrastructure and human rights violations. FIFA is forced to have a political stance even though it's best they separate politics from football.

Stacking up human rights violations is a much more detailed conversation that I don't think Footytube is the place to have it. So we'll agree to disagree

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http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/29/jack-warner-dancing-fifa-scandal-exhaustion

"Disgraced former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner has been pictured dancing and at a political rally just hours after he was released from prison and taken to hospital in an ambulance citing ‘exhaustion’."

:/
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Football is getting very messy
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LOL
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These corrupted idiots think they are untouchable
^They don't think. They know they are untouchable.
Drak beat me to it. The charges even if they stick won't see them serve a long prison sentence or hurt them too much financially. Would be hilarious if they do stick and sees this corrupt idiot broke on top of that
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I wish Sepp Blatter's mouth would swallow his own head. Something is terribly wrong with that man. He's now trying to say FIFA should be allowed to sort this out internally. These kind of comments from a man who's been at the helm of the Federation for almost the entirety of its spell of corruption. Like he's just been walking on lotus petals this entire time while not noticing massive corruption. Like he has no record of where the money has gone. Him and his entire organization is a disgrace and I'd almost go as far to say that he's not mentally fit to carry on.

FIFA need a new face, maybe even a new name and headquarters. This whole thing is rotten to the core. The amount of bad press they're getting I can't see any way that Blatter won't end up in the crosshairs of prosecutors. They cut the entire body off the snake, and the head won't f**king shut up!
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you know what they say "it's just banter" xD
www.espnfc.com/fifa-world-cup/story/2470007/asian-confederation-reiterates-support-for-fifa-sepp-blatter

Well Asian federation already declare their support for sepp , even after what happened , funny stuff is that Ali was once on member committee of AFC .

Only way we will get rid of this old arsehole one he gets reelected again is that either authorities take him down , he dies or UEFA shows FIFA the middle finger and gets separate from them .
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It's almost comical.

Blatter has achieved near dictator status. Take this scenario to any top business in the world, and I'd say most of the presidents or CEOs of those companies would resign immediately- regardless of whether or not they knew about the corruption.

Which, by the way, is such a bullshit lie. How can Blatter, the man in charge for nearly 20 years, not know what's happening a step directly below him?

If Blatter is reelected, the federations need to grow some balls and disband.
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^100% agree with your 2nd paragraph. How can the man running the show have no knowledge of widespread corruption especially the WC bidding process and how easy it is to be suscesptible to corruption. 22 anonymous votes decide the host nation. Its too bad Americans don't get the same kind of justice when its comes to corporate scams and governmental nepotism. But I'm really enjoying this. Lets see how far down the rabbit hole old Sepp wants to go. :P
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His knowledge about the corrupted structure is irrelevant and arbitrary. I believe his forceful removal alone will not be the shining light towards a significantly improved governing body. Keep in mind that he is voted in by county members. Remove him forcefully, the vote for the "corrupted structure" still remains

Below is David Gill's (ex United chief executive) quote I read online that reflects this. He was expected to be elected as a Fifa vice-president on Friday, but said he would not take his seat if Mr Blatter won another term.

He said the “seismic events” of this week had convinced him that there was no way to fix Fifa under the current regime.

“For someone to say, well, the world goes on, we’ll have the Congress, we’ll have a nice party, we’ll clap, we’ll cheer, we’ll slap each other on the back, we’ll have a vote and life goes on, that showed me how futile it would be to try to change it,” he said.


I also find it interesting that Platini openly said he can get 40+ UEFA votes against Blatter.
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So from what I looked up each 209 countries who are members of FIFA gets 1 vote towards the candidate they want. I would be stunned if Sepp got reelected again after what's happening with FIFA right now.
I was explaining this to my non football following friends, and they just couldn't understand how blatter was even being considered for reelection.

Sorry to show my USA here, but american football analogies include jim tressel stepping down at ohio state (a very successful college american football program that he held the head coaching job at for over 10 years) because his athletes were getting free tattoos and selling memorabilia (which is illegal in the NCAA, but not a huge deal overall) and Paterno being fired from Penn St (another successful college program, which he was at around 30 years) because he didn't report to authorities immediately (he did report to his boss, the athletic director, but not the police) the inappropriate actions of jerry sandusky.

In summary... I agree with Joeymac's point that blatter should step down even if he had nothing to do with this (obviously he did).

If you're in charge of a global company that has a lot of power in the world, and your employees are acting inappropriately, you need to recognize it and stop it... Blatter (probably took loads of under the table money) didn't prevent or stop his company from being corrupt, so why the *****@#$*%&****** would he get reelected?
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There are times when being honest is very high eeegay. There are reasons you can think of why some people would want to keep him in. Blatter has massive support in African and Asian football federations, which represent a lot of votes. Media has been reporting that even after the scandal they were likely to vote Blatter. We'll see.
He's obviously got no moral and ethical agenda as the head of Fifa. Him stepping down at this point would just be admitting to the world that he's guilty of everything he's accused of. IMO he isn't going down quietly to make amends or out of respect for the future of Fifa. He's in a snowball of lies and honestly it's way too deep to stop the avalanche. He's the modern day Tony Montana. This s**t's gonna get ugly.
The final english competitive game, the FA cup awaits! Hoping fr an exciting game fr neutrals
In simple words..Hoping for a AV(V=Villa) win :P

Edit: :D
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Hoping for an Arsene Venger win? Why thank you Bazinga, how very nice and thoughtful of you.
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I'm looking forward to beating Aston Villa in the community shield :P
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come on dan, don't hate on bazinga, every sports fan in the world - except arsenal fans -would rather see the team that was nearly relegated put up a good fight or even beat the team that has made something like 12 straight champions league appearances. don't act like you didn't route against chelsea every game while they were leading the table.
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Not Southampton Eeegay. For 1 day, we have their complete support! lol Us winning the FA Cup should be part of the deal with Schneiderlan's transfer.

Southampton to be in Euro qualifiers if we win the FA because another spot for Europe would open.
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-fifas-structure-lends-itself-to-corruption/

How FIFA's structure lends itself to corruption.
Reminds me of BCCI, not as corrupt but still a horrible entity. In the end, justice did prevail and their head president was asked to resign by the Court of India. The funny part is, even after he left his influence remained, its just an ongoing cycle.

And he is now the chairman of an even powerful entity, the ICC

lol, politics.
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Sepp Blatter was asked if he thinks any more of his executive committee will be arrested for corruption.


He said he doesn't know what the future holds, except for who's hosting the next 5 World Cups ;)
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Match of the season and why? (Inspired by thegaurdian)

Everton 3-6 Chelsea
Tottenham 5-3 Chelsea
Tottenham 2-1 Arsenal
Leicester 5-3 Manchester United
West Ham 2-1 Manchester City
Liverpool 3-2 Tottenham
Stoke 6-1 Liverpool
Manchester United 4-2 Manchester City
1)Everton 3-6 Chelsea
2)Manchester United 4-2 Manchester City
3) Tottenham 5-3 Chelsea
Everton v Chelsea was the best!
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Although I'd like to pick Everton Chelsea, I think for pure shock value, the two 5-3s stand out.
Stoke 6-1 Liverpool all day
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I'd go for Utd v City.

No one expected Utd to beat City; and in such convincing fashion.
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^ hmm i don't know where you are coming from. united were favorites going into that game because of the run that we had prior to that game and city's poor form before that game. i guess winning so convincingly was a surprise, but even whoscored.com had predicted our win.

http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/829741/Preview/England-Premier-League-2014-2015-Manchester-United-Manchester-City
Stoke v. Liverpool match of the season? Seriously, stop posting like a tool. Your trolling knows no bounds.

Fine Chelsea 2 - 10 man PSG 2 is my fav. Since we are doing stupid trolling.
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Those options are from the official polls posted by thegaurdian, so you are calling them tools lol
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Bluff can't you spell guardian?? XD XD XD
don't take the bait Colin. everyone knows Bazinga's reputation
How much do you remember from the season?

http://www.sporcle.com/games/manonthemoon/theresalwaysnextyear?utm_source=sporcle&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=enotify_following_created
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