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How does this city side stack up to the premier league greats of the past, the Utd 99-02, 08, 10-11 teams, the Chelsea 04-05, 09 teams, Arsenal 00-04 teams etc. Are they as good? better? worse?
I think the style of football deserves lots of praise because many believe it couldn't be done. His style of football is not made for the Pl but he blew everyone away. Although had we won more titles this season (FA and UCL), this team would have been placed right next to some of the best in the history of English football.
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Imo City has the best offensive in all of pl history but they lack defence but their attack is too much overwhelming
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Best individual title-winning team in the past 8 years imo, but to reach that same sort of status as the teams mentioned above, I think they'll have to have a sustained period of success with this kind of footballing identity inside the league and outside of it.

If they maintain their current form next year and win the league again (and add another cup of some sort to it), I'd say they're the best since United 06-09. At this exact moment I liken them to the Chelsea 09/10 side: so impressive during that one season, but couldn't really build anything substantial immediately after.
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^ Agree with everything Joey says here.

This season has been fantastic and unprecedented in terms of attacking intent. There has been unequivocal praise, even coming from the fiercest of rivals in terms of the football being played.

Having said that - I think this team really has the chance to get into the annals of history by consistently winning in the next few years. Honestly, I don't think winning the CL is the only benchmark of a truly great side (since it is a knockout competition towards the end) - but not winning it will definitely be a stumbling block when trying to place this side in the absolute top ones ever. I honestly did not think City did badly in the CL. 30 mins of blitzkreig from Liverpool and bad tactics from Pep destroyed our season. That's how football is.
Well some traits that those iconic teams had, were retaining titles, winning proper doubles (FA + premier league), trebles even. City haven't done any of those atm. But once they check off one of those things, they'll be in that class i think.
How did 3 Spurs players make it into TOTS when they are 4th and Man U and Liverpool have one and why they didn't consider any Burnley player?
If you're talking about the PFA TOTS then it is voted by the players themselves.

There are some questionable choices in there, in my opinion, but that is what the players have chosen.

The writers TOTS will be interesting.
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feel like if theyre gonna do an actual formation they should pick players who fit that actual formation. happy for aguero but if youre gonna do 3 up top it should include two wingers and if youre gonna do 3 midfielders it should include a CDM.
Can't be much argument against Vertonghen, Eriksen and Kane being voted in.
Pssht yeah, only if you're forgetting Smalling, Ndidi, and Glenn Murray
Well fernandinho being overlooked was a snub. But the players voted so this team isnt gonna be a coherent side.
Tarkovski should be in there, why Burnley players were over looked?
Fernandino extremely under rated in what he does for City
Mahrez/Vardy both having exceptional season
Vertonghen is the best defender in the prem this season and last season it was Aldeweireld. Us yids can't boast about much (please god give us the FA Cup this year!) but I think we have the two best defenders in the league.
Man the comment sections on most every news article on city this week on truly amazing.
"WELL OFCOURSE LOOK AT THE MONEY SPENT!" "HE INHERITED AN EMBARASSMENT OF RICHES!"
Lets talk about the inherited players.
How many of you looked at our team from last year and thought yeah id swap those lads for ours in a heartbeat.., thatd get us the title surely?
BEFORE THIS SEASON would any of you had traded your stars for ours? Using spurs as an example:
ANy spurs fans swapping KDB for Ericksen? Dele for SIlva? kane for aguero? Dier for Dinho? Any of our defenders? surely one of our four 32 yr old wing backs?
None of you would have wanted any of our defenders, our goalie, and no one wanted sterling. The inherited squad is such a farcical comment.

Even including the player moves of the summer window and january, before the season starts how many of you are taking our attacking players over yours? None of the players we signed were world beaters, they werent sure bets, expensive you bet your ass, but we won the league with midfielders at left back, one fit striker for more than half the season, two fit centre halves for 1/3 of the season and goalie no one predicted would be this good.

And on the money spent comments well thats easy. If the gap is explained by money then spurs and liverpool wouldnt be anywhere near united, and burnley wouldnt be 2 damn points behind arsenal. And most importantly Everton woudlnt be in 9th playing drab football and 1 point ahead of newcastle.
Coaching matters, player mentality matters, team cohesion matters.
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Lets get one thing clear. City have the best squad in the league. I think what City have done best it that fact that they have been molding the club for Pep for years. Also the fact that most of the core players at City have been there winning titles for years now. Pep came in got rid of the deadwoods and invested smartly. 'Investing' is the correct way of looking at it. It can go both ways. City are head and shoulders above every other team when it comes to recruitment. Rarely do you see City buying players that dont work out or dosent fit the system. If they dont, they have a manager in Pep now who is not afraid to make the change.

You have to look at the bigger picture. The reason City are so far ahead is not just down to coaching, mentality and team cohesion. This was long time in the making and Pep is that final building block. So when oppo fans say, City bought the title, well its obviously jealousy but to say that City are so far ahead of others is just down to Pep would be wrong. I believe Pep is the best manager in the world currently but the organizing that City have created has helped massively as well.

I wish United was as well run as City.
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I didnt mean to imply Pep changed everything, the club is incredibly run and has made many good decisions. But when everyone is spending 100s of millions the difference is in who you buy and how you integrate them. The numbers alone dont mean that much.
On the core players comments, only David Silva, Kompany, and Aguero of the entire team have won 3 titles, and fernandinho has won two. So i dont think that comment holds much water, in fact united have just as many if not more players that won titles win ferguson.
We do have the best team nd thats due to how well the cub is run and the coherence of the plan. But suggesting our players are better than everyone in every position at every other club is just false.
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I can agree with most of what you say but You clearly have the best squad in the league. Not every position but as a whole you do.
@Kessler we might have more title winners but they are way past it or never have been as good except De gea.


Wasnt Sterling one of your best players last season? Season before that he was poor. The players you mentioned swapping with Spurs before this season started only Dier and maybe Kane/Alli only because they're younger.

"Coaching matters, player mentality matters, team cohesion matters." Of course those matter but so does money. Burnley is doing a one off just like Leicester and Liverpool have spent more than us this season just so you know.
but the act remains we do not have a large core of title winners, we have 4.
Sterling was fine last year but no he wasnt one of our best players, although the bar wasnt exactly high.
This year was actually the first year in quite a while that the best squad won and that the team who spent the most won. I acknowledge money matters, but between the top 6 the money spent is pretty negligible. AND again, Everton, Stoke, and West ham have spent quite a lot, everton play the most uninspired stuff in the league and west ham and stoke are absolutely woeful.
Just to put it out there..

The starting point from where a team spends matter. For example if Everton spend 200 mil next summer, they wont compete for the title but if Lets say Chelsea send 200 mil next summer they will arguably be up there fighting for the title. This goes back to what i said about the state of the club and the quality already in a squad. City was primed and ready for that investment to take them to the next level, whereas United dont have that solid foundation where you can just spend 200 mil and expect to be back to our best.

That is what i have learned from all the money we have spend since Ferguson. You cant keep trying to rebuild the foundation of a squad after every manager. We tried to rebuild with LVG. Now Jose is trying to break what LVG had and build something new. When it comes to City, its more of an evolution and when it comes to Utd its more of a revolution.
BearWithFish have we? I'm guessing you're not considering the net spend and just talking about incoming transfers?
What's this phrase "City so far ahead" supposed to imply? That they absolutely dominated the league in one season doesn't make them far ahead. They won the league which for any of Chelsea, United and City is more of an expectation than achievement bcos of the financial fire power which these clubs possess and readily utilise. They are just winning their second title in 5 seasons but Chelsea won 2 in 3 seasons and that after finishing 10th in between both titles.

City are looking good and I admire their plans and wish Chelsea have such well laid plans but as we all know the vest laid plans dont always lead to the best results. In Roman's first 10 years at Chelsea the club had won every trophy available in both domestic and European football.
This City team have been great at home but for they need to make their presence felt in Europe to be considered to be "so far ahead" of others. They were knocked out my mouth with Monaco and Liverpool in successive seasons with all due respect those are not the names a team of their financial clout should be losing to.
City are far ahead in the league. They made the premier league look like Bundesliga. I dont go along with the idea that they are the best team England has ever seen but this season they have been 'far ahead' of anyone else.
Not sure what that message was for Naijacarefree, as it doesnt discuss anything the rest of us are talking about.
Yaldho I still think the everton example is important. They were a team perfectly positioned to challenge for top 6 and as such invested heavily, theyve spent 234 mil in last 12 months. Theyve gone backwards, spending money doesnt solve your problems if its not spent well, and the coaching isnt there.

Also Hadee318, the talk of net spend is comepletely redundant realistically. Net spend is only relevant to financial pratices discussions. The team is still spending 100s of millions on players in their squad.
It's typical that when a manager, in football especially, does a great job, credit goes to those in the spotlights: the players.

It's also why the 'best footballers ever' are always attackers; because they are key to the most memorable moments: the goals. That doesn't mean the 10 others are less crucial, it's just that they stick out and people remember them. But you're not telling me Maldini was in any way or form a lesser player than Maradona. In fact, I'd rate him higher because he was consistently great while Maradona wasn't. But people, mostly people who aren't football fanatics, remember Maradona better and rate him higher as a result.

Just a test to my statement: who here can tell me without looking it up was the manager of the 1950's Real Madrid that won nearly everything? Everyone knows it was Di Stéfano's Real, along with Puskas; both attacking players. Doesn't necessarily mean the men behind them, on or off the field, were less great in their job.
Well technically it was Francos real madrid.
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you must be a history professor with a ton of research papers on Spanish football under you name. Respect
Talking to me? or the barcelona lad?
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West Brom the team in last place basically handed us our title win, now I kinda feel bad they are going to get relegated.
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We purposely lost the derby so that we could win the title today AT Old Trafford :D
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City win the league in the most dramatic way as possible lol
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Man City Vs Man Utd
match of the season ?
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Liverpool vs Man City is much of the season. This game should have been over, but Sterling can't finish to save his life.
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I think yesterday was a better overall match. Finally the Manchester derby lived up to the hype.
Pool Vs City a great match but it didn't have the drama like this, I doubt any one would of thought UTD will win after going 2-0 and the Derby, Pep Vs Mourinho, Flashback of 2011/12
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The derby usually lives up to the hype but since SAF left United havn't been pulling their weight.
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So Pep said in his press conference that Pogba and Mkhitaryan were offered to him in the January transfer window (just over 2 months ago) but he turned them both down. Crazy!
I highly doubt that, Mourinho wouldn't sell one of thier important players to a rival let alone Pep
Read the papers and listen to press conferences my friend. Pep said i turned down Pogba because he is too expensive. Mino Riola Pogba's agent confirmed that he did offer Pogba to City in the January transfer window. Mourinho will be happy to see the back of Pogba he doesn't fit his style.
That's crazy, then
So what did Pep say exactly?

"Too Expensive" OR "Does not meet my style"?

You just contradicted yourself. He cannot be saying both.
Pep said too expensive. Most ppl including Mourinho know that Pogba doesn't fit Mourinho's style not Pep's.
Not so expensive now, is it? Pep might have to correct himself in the coming up press confe
Correct himself? Pep will not pay 100 mil and 300K in wages to one player. It was about beef between him and Riola.
@Raam, that's very naive to suggest that Pep will want to buy Pogba just because he turned one game around.
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Too expensive is a polite way to say not worth the money. If you think city dont have the money you're lying to yourself. They have probably spent 200 million on 4-5 CB, can't tell me they don't have money to buy a CM at top price.

What pep was saying is pogba isn't worth it the fee, but maybe pogba's second half display shows maybe he can live up to the price tag rather than it being about pep now wanting to sign pogba after 45 decent minutes.
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damn, didn't see that coming, City fans what happ lol.
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We haven't won at Anfield since 2003, so in a way this was a norm unfortunately and now Liverpool can go on and celebrate a deserved:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DThYCdPWsAAZJNA.jpg
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you're hungry, go and eat some snickers
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Ya Footy, you are suuper salty. Maybe take a break for a little bit and calm down.
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Pep tried to play us in a manner we have not played earlier ALL SEASON. Then we reverted to the normal shape in the last 35 mins and we looked fine. That's pretty much the story lol. 4-3-1-2 negated all the good things that were City all these months. There was no need to toy with the team.

Pep out-thought himself this time.
I think it was naive from Pep to take the game to Liverpool at Anfield on a European night. You know they would be all over you. But Pep would never do that, he will always play his way as he rightly should. This game reminded me of the Bayern Barca game where Bayern got destroyed. Pep is his own worst enemy when it comes to certain one off games.
@yaldho but that’s what I am saying - Pep did not play city’s natural attacking game in the first half and we got torched. He tried some weird 4-3-1-2 instead which turned out to be a disaster.

In the second half we were back to playing 4-3-3 and things looked much more normal
I didnt watch the game, just highlights but according to Pep, he wanted more control and possessing by playing Gundogan in the middle. The last thing you need is more possession against Liverpool. They are most dangerous when the opposition have the ball.

Liverpool were never going to be able to sustain that energy for the whole game. I think they slowed down which also contributed to the change in the game. Dont think starting with 433 would have made much difference honestly but i am not sure why he changed the system. Should have played 433, its what the players are used to but then again he would argue his players are well trained enough to play multiple systems.
About possession and control - we had 50% in the first - which was much lesser than usual - so that backfired for one.

About the shape - it made a huge difference since we lost width and were bombarded from the sides, could not stretch the opposition like we normally do with Sane/Sterling and could not use KdB to find space from his usual midfield position. Whatever plan pep had - it did not show through at all.

If you have the appetite to watch the whole game - you can see how the two halves were totally different. City had no control whatsoever in the first.
You said it yourself man we have been handing City L's at Anfield since 2003 so this is nothing new to us. In fact this is the 2nd time we have done it this year. We will celebrate just the right amount just make sure u arent too mad bro.
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Man City has only won at Anfield once since 1982
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Even our goalkeeper scored a more spectacular overhead kick than Ronaldo 40 years ago last month.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=aZBDT6Wlc4E
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Spectacular, really underrated and overlooked effot
Actually there a lot of better overhead kick goals than CR one.
Did You watch the video Red?
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