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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3092560/Steven-Gerrard-Frank-Lampard-Sportsmail-s-reporters-verdict.html
SO the pundits voted 7-4 in gerrards favor and I have a question for footytubers.
I have watched a lot of both players and I have to admit I don't understand this. There seems to be an obsession with Gerrard that extends to no other england player. He has not won a league title nor anything for england. He is on par in champions leagues with Lampard, less goals, less silverware and most significantly never finished second place to Ronaldinho. Im not saying Gerrard isn't a legend but it feels like this argument settles itself. SO is Gerrard really better than lampard or is there just a romantic relationship with him that perpetuates this sense of exceptionalism. Basically Im wondering if the opinions of Gerrard are purely objective or simply subjective.
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This should be interesting lol
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I think you answered it yourself - "a romantic relationship with him that perpetuates this sense of exceptionalism"
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@Khessler if you follow the media last season when Liverpool was about to win the premiership you will get your answer.
I realize this is contentious and while i think gerrard is a very good player Idk it just seems suspicious the claims about him being the best english midfielder, or better than Lampard. Like there isn't enough evidence to support that.
Gerrard was chosen in Premier League team of the year on 8 occasions while Lampard was chosen on 3 occasions.

Also Liverpool was often described as a "one/two man team" (Gerrard/Torres, Gerrard/Suarez) meaning that Gerrard played with worse team mates and carried the team a lot. Can the same be said about Lampard and Chelsea?
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I mean team of the year is so biased though. Terry has made it clear this year that he is the best Centre back in the league and has been for a while yet his team of the years are lacking. Also you can't honestly tell me Liverpool were without talent these last 20 years.
I didn't say that, did I? Can you honestly tell me that Liverpool hasn't often been considered as a "two man team" during Gerrard's era? Especially by the rival fans.
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Whether they are considered a one or two man team by rival fans means nothing. The fact is that Liverpool as desperately underachieved in the last 20 years not due to lack of talent.
@Lfcguy69- I can turn that argument around in Lampard's favor, easily.

You said it yourself- Gerrard played with worse teammates. Don't you think that might have made him look much, much better in comparison to the "mediocre" players around him, thus contributing to more individual recognition? Whereas Lampard was often a great player in a great team, maybe he never got as much individual recognition he warranted? Just a thought.

That argument easily goes both ways. Simple fact is that Liverpool fans will point to individual plaudits to support Gerrard's case, Chelsea fans will point to trophies to support Lampard's. They both have remarkable stats that support their case.

However, I do agree with Khessler that there is a "romantic relationship" with Gerrard- he's the prototypical English player that the English media loves (not saying he's not good btw). So if you're saying "the greatest English midfielder" as a descriptor- hard tackling, good runner, spectacular long shot, a captain's captain, well-rounded player- then I can easily go with Gerrard on that, he does embody a lot of what is right about English football.

But if you're saying "best English midfielder" in regards to nationality, then of course I'd disagree- I think there are other English midfielders that embody the "greats" of this generation such as Xavi, Iniesta, Pirlo, etc. better than Gerrard does. For instance, I think Lampard could always read a game so well. But I think the former explains, to a degree, why Gerrard is so likable (especially among the media), and I agree with you that some of it is subjective judgement in his case. Just my opinion, please no one shoot me.

Personally, I don't know where I'd divide the two. Just answer this- where was Lampard's sky sports sendoff party?
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Everyone loves an underdog. Mix that with the astronomical collection of ex Liverpool pundits and you have your answer.
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Khessler mate. I will forgive the fact you quoted the dailyfail as a source in support of your argument. That said your post is spot on

But then, you don't have to win much to be a club legend or one of the all time best players. Gerrard IS one of the all time premier league best players, he just is

Would anyone argue Totti or Di Natale are not legends?

Coming to Lampard we had him for a short time at City and I only wish he would stay another season, if a miracle happens. I just don't get why the discussion has to be about "who is better"

On a side note I swear to you I never laughed at the slippy Gerrard. That is not the reason why Liverpool didn't win the title and you know that much as footytubers. It's still a bitter end to a great career, but Liverpool fans and fans overall understand what happened exactly last season or...all seasons
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Havn't read any of this but the initial post and already know it is going to be a bad idea.
Are Liverpool really "stuck in the past"? (And not as far as trophies are concerned, but rather commercial enterprises, stadium expansion, etc). Gary Neville thinks emotion is having a negative effect at Anfield.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11623307/Liverpool-are-stuck-in-the-past-and-in-danger-of-becoming-a-provincial-club.html

Thoughts, especially from Liverpool fans? (And keep it civil, this isn't a dig at Liverpool, it's just a circumstantial analysis that relates to the Sterling saga that has been discussed on this page recently).
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It is a really interesting perspective, that's for sure. Being from the US, I can't help but liken Liverpool to other large franchises, such as the Boston Red Sox and the Green Bay Packers. Their stories are *near* identical in the fact that all three are timeless with a sense of pride and, sorry to say it, arrogance.

Before Green Bay became a current force in the NFL it was almost like their fans wanted to have their cake and eat it too... it was only until recent signings they've been a dominate team. But to get to that point they had to realize letting go of the past and look into the future.

The Red Sox on the other hand are similar to current-day Liverpool due to the pressure they have to succeed and the turbulent atmosphere they have to perform. Boston is a beautiful city, but there is no doubt that the New Englander attitude is a little harsh. When the team isn't performing well we all know thanks to social media, sports media, and he fan base a like. Every bad season almost ends in a revolution!!

I think Liverpool needs to recognize the trends of current day football. Big name players are mercenaries for the most part, and that is something to be accepted. To get these players you'll need to cough up some... scratch that... A LOT to acquire their services. They also need to accept transition. It isn't doom and gloom, it is progress. Don't expect two title challenging seasons after your best player departs... go back to step one - find a replacement and then go from there.

I'm mainly talking out of my arse right now, but this is just my opinion on the matter. Not intended to hurt feelings, just an honest opinion from the outside looking in.
Can someone embed this please!

https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/601421063608770560



In all honesty I am seriously considering not watching the 2022 World Cup!
Sepp Blatter is a f*****g tyrant.
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I actually thought Figo would win. Fool on me, there's probably so much money being passed under the table (for Blatter) that the bottom has been painted green.

2022 in Qatar is such a joke. FIFA says NO to racism, but apparently says YES to essentially using slave labor to build these stadiums. In a country that has excessive laws against homosexuality and alcohol consumption, correct me if I'm wrong. Sad to say, I thought the latter would have been a bigger issue for FIFA- gotta keep the alcohol money flowing, eh, so I'm sure something will be done about that- but not about the Nepalese workers being underpaid and overworked, sometimes to death.

And this isn't even considering all the other hub-bub about 2022. A winter World Cup? That wasn't part of their proposal, so it shouldn't be on the table. The heat? Should have thought about this beforehand, I for one won't be too happy if games are paused every 10 minutes for water breaks, or worse, a player collapses dead on the pitch.

Call me bitter because the US didn't get it for 2022, and you'd be right, I am. But it doesn't take away at all from the human rights violations occurring in preparation for this tournament- and we're still 7 years away. The sad part is that, at the end of the day, I'll be roped into watching (and thus, inadvertently supporting) it because I'm not NOT going to watch it, and FIFA know this.

Let's just hope Russia don't pull a Sochi with 2018. I'd love nothing more than for all the federations to back out of FIFA and form something new, something with much more autonomy and transparency. But it won't happen- despite the obvious corruption and lunacy, FIFA is too big to fail.
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apparently by the time the world cup is ready, about 4000 workers will have died to build the stadiums in comparison to the other hosts where less than 10 have died. I dont get how this is allowed.
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Well said @Joeymac

FIFA is a joke. Everyone knows it but there is too much money involved in everything. Funny how they claim they're a "non profit" organization.
The article I linked to a few posts below is very relevant:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32775563

Anyway, go Prince Ali!
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Thx Kgb
This is like when all the small clubs signed on for FFP. It sounds good when you say it but Financial Fair Play is anything but fair. It was basically a conglomeration of power. Just like What Blatter is doing.

#SayingOneThingDoingAnother
WOW sterling agent, Ward said this In a controversial interview...but he later denied making such comments

"He is definitely not signing. He's not signing for £700k, £800k, or £900k-a-week. He is not signing."

"I don't care about the PR of the club and the club situation. I don't care.

"My job is to make sure I do the best with them (my clients). If people say I am bad at my job, or they are badly advised it does not matter."

"Carragher is a knob. Everybody knows it. Any of the criticism from current pundits or ex-Liverpool players - none of them things matter to me. It is not relevant," Ward said.

"I am not worried. Worried is making a decision not knowing what is going to happen. Every Premier League club will make a bid for him," he said.


these are quotes in many article
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well with the new PL english player rule, and the fact that sterling is a decent player, majority of teams will go after him, however they will all run away after seeing Lpools 50 mill valuation for him lol
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Look up 'douchebag' in a dictionary. You will find the words 'Seluk' and 'Ward' as examples. What a twat.

I hope Liverpool freezes out Sterling and benches him for 2 years. That would be a great statement of intent. Would also help the club PR. WOuld love to see that happen.
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how does freezing him out for 2 years help anyone out in this situation?
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@Tomi, better yet, they sell him to City for 40 million, and City benches him for 2 years ;)
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I am loving joey's idea.. Because truthfully, who is he going to replace in there? He would be a great companion for jo.

Sell him, bench him, force him to pay off his contract.. Whichever.. Just don't let him play anymore.
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"I hope Liverpool freezes out Sterling and benches him for 2 years. That would be a great statement of intent. Would also help the club PR."

I'm sorry Tomikato but that doesn't make any sense at all. No player wants to join a club that chooses to destroy a player's career over the signing of a new contract.

Like Blazzedlord said how does freezing him out help anyone exactly?

I also don't understand everyone (even some United fans) being up in arms about this. Sterling has stated multiple times it's not about the money. Now, I perfectly understand Liverpool fans hating it that a player doesn't consider Liverpool the best club in the world and wants to move to a better club. I ask myself the same thing with De Gea: "how can he not want to stay at United?"

But that's fan logic, and it's the players career and life.

To stay on topic, his agent may be a douchebag and calling Carragher a knob seems pretty stupid and childish.

On the other hand Rodgers efforts at making Sterling look like a mercenary with Carragher basically villifying him on tv are only making matters worse for Liverpool.
They may have good intentions, hell they may even have a point but it's just not the way you're going to win someone over and it's hurting Liverpool's image just as much as Sterling's.
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How dare he request to leave Liverpool?

FIFA should ban him from all football related activities imo.
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No OnE is Bigger ThAn LIVERPOOL FC !!!!!!!
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Well you can't deny the fact that Carragher is a knob so technically Sterling's agent is not in the wrong
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@Theo

"He is definitely not signing. He's not signing for £700k, £800k, or £900k-a-week. He is not signing."

"I don't care about the PR of the club and the club situation. I don't care."

"I am not worried. Worried is making a decision not knowing what is going to happen. Every Premier League club will make a bid for him"




That doesn't really sound like a 'request' to me...
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Then what is it? a demand? Same thing lol

It's a shame he doesn't want to stay at Liverpool, but too much is being made out of the situation - which led to his agents outburst. Liverpool should sell and move on.
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@MrWaddy - why does that not make any sense? I'll tell you my rationale

1) Sterling is currently not on a 100k/week pay. Liverpool have him for another 2 years. They can easily swallow the cost if they want to.

2) If there is nothing wrong in Sterling requesting for a transfer then there is also nothing wrong in Liverpool holding him to the 2 years on the contract. If he does not play as per standards then relegate him to the bench/reserves

3) No player is bigger than the club. If Sterling thinks he can treat Liverpool like trash - then Liverpool needs to show that they can handle the situation, hold him to his contract and play according to the contract. Nothing more, nothing less. The club is supreme. That message needs to go out to future troublemakers. Take no s**t at Liverpool.

I was glad when that message was personally delivered to Tevez by Mancini. Tevez may be one of the world's best forwards, but you know what - don't screw with the club. If you want to act stupid, be ready to be held to the contract you signed. If you really to leave, try to do it in a nicer way.

@Joey - We have been trolled by the Robinhos and Adebayors and Santa Clauses far enough in the past :D Your idea is fantastically bang on and that is exactly what I am worried about!
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I personally don't see what Sterling did wrong in this situation. If anything his agent is the one acting up. And we don't know the whole story, Liverpool could be the ones at fault for not keeping this stuff private. They aren't exactly experts at holding down contract talks with players, ex. Suarez, Gerrard and even Henderson (which took forever to sort out).

And Carragher is a knob lol. After what he said on MNF does he really expect to change Sterling's mind?
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Your rationale doesn't hold up.

Just because Liverpool "can" swallow the cost doesn't mean it makes sense. No matter how you turn it here's no benefit whatsoever in relegating him to the bench.

And for the "take no s**t at Liverpool" argument, like I already mentionned before: do you really think players will be jumping at the chance to play for a club that publicly villifies you if you dare not to accept their contract proposal? Seems like a great plan.

Players want to move to bigger clubs, for money or for trophies, it's nothing new. Where was the public outcry when Lallana and Lambert moved to Liverpool or Mignolet and Henderson. Suddenly because it happens Liverpool everyone's supposed to bring out their pitchforks?

Before I say anything else I'd like to see you explain how Sterling has treated Liverpool like trash and how that justifies destroying his career because so far I've only really seen an emotional rationale rather than a logical one.
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Benching him sends a message to current and future players that this kind of non sense from players won't be tolerated. It also reaffirms the commitment of players who are not doing this kind of stupid crap.

Worst case scenario, a few players who wanted to use LFC as a mercenary would then don't want to come. That's fine because those type of attitudes are cancerous and LFC would probably prefer they select themselves out of the dressing room anyway.

Liverpool sending a message is important. If you act like a doormat you get treated like one. It's a very basic concept.

They definitely didn't want to go make Suarez of all people go train in reserves but it was just as important that the players understood that they arn't running the show.
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Heartwarming to see Chelsea & Utd fans support Sterling. I can see why Utd fans are, because Man Utd have enquired about him (confirmed by LiverpoolEcho) which IMO is more so to unsettle the player. There has not been a transfer between the two clubs since the 1960's. Don't think he will be going to a rival unless 40m is placed on the table.

Seems like some people have forget about Sterling going behind Liverpool's back to hold a press conference with the BBC. This kind of stuff shouldn't be happening. Even if he is unhappy, with whatever the hell it is, it should be kept private between player--> club officials-->agent.

I agree in the sense that Liverpool officials could also hold some blame, though Sterling is no angel. His agent isn't making things easier either with the media s**t storm. Berahinho from WBA has this same agent. I think this past winter transfer window he was talking about him potentially leaving to another club. Pulls came out talking about the player and agent if I'm not mistaken.

@Cheshirecat very insightful post, thanks for that.
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Yeah you got us all figured out.

I don't even want Sterling at United and Skysports confirmed we're not interested in him. Now can we get on with the discussion?

Seems like you forgot yourself Sterling only gave that interview after the wages were leaked and Rodgers basically coming out saying he's a money grabber.

I'm sure you'd find it perfectly fair when someone publicly brands you like that and you just have to put up and shut up?

I agree Sterling is no angel and his agent seems like a prick but he had every right to defend himself against claims he felt were untrue and unfair. Liverpool lost their right to deny him permission for the interview when they made it publivly first.

Imo it would be the best for all parties involved if he stayed at Liverpool but I think it's unfair Sterling is made to look like the bad guy while LFC and especially Rodgers take none of the blame, because they sure handled this poorly.
"I don't even want Sterling at United and Skysports confirmed we're not interested"

Looks like Scholes thinks so - http://goo.gl/UWXf2Q

Few other sources:

http://goo.gl/gK3sHR

http://goo.gl/r2FDQt

http://goo.gl/sxVkH8

http://goo.gl/G9xWbk

"Rodgers basically coming out saying he's a money grabber."

I'm not sure what you're referring to? Could you be more specific?

Surely not this?

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/9707475/premier-league-brendan-rodgers-says-liverpool

In the article :

“What he’s been granted at this football club is an opportunity, and we see that with a lot of young players, they get an opportunity to play here and also they get rewarded for that."

“But we’re certainly not a club that’s going to give out way, way above what a player is worth at a certain time in their career."

“It’s not just a case of giving a player – any player and I’m not talking about Raheem here, I’m talking in general – what they want."

Don't remember any wages being leaked, just the usually media speculation.
@MrWaddy: Could not have said it any better. Lallana and Lovren gave Southampton an ultimatum over leaving, and it turned out to be an ugly departure. This can work both ways.
I'd love it if we signed a player like Sterling. I think he could become a similar type of winger as Nani, albeit less skillful. He is still young though so who knows.
I think this move would help soothe the rivalry and undue hatred between the two clubs and open up a fruitful business relationship for the future.
“But we’re certainly not a club that’s going to give out way, way above what a player is worth at a certain time in their career."

The quotes itself don't sound that bad but you have to read between the lines. Rodgers can say he's only talking in general but what everyone took away from that interview was that Sterling is asking way above what he's worth.

Of course I can't say with certainty if those wages were leaked but I remember pretty much all papers saying 100k pw which Sterling confirmed in the BBC interview.
MrWaddy, I'd argue that those players came from Southampton/Sunderland to a bigger club. Liverpool, despite their current standing in the table, are a higher calibre club than where the likes of Henderson and Lovren came from.

If you ask yourself, where can you go higher up than LFC, I'd say City/Chelsea/Bayern/Barca/Real (excluding Utd for obvious history).

Would he get anywhere near the starting XI for any of those? Is he of the same calibre of the players he wants to join? I'd argue not, certainly not on the basis of his performances this season.

He is only 20 and LFC are the club that have placed faith in him from a young age. Now, having achieved absolutely nothing at all, he feels he is above them and they cannot match his ambition?

If I were any of the major European players I'd be laughing and and saying to myself, this kid currently has neither the consistent ability or the right attitude to match OUR ambitions.

I'll call it now, this kid will end up like Scott Sinclair if he puts sitting on the bench for medals above playing time.
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I agree he's probably overestimating himself and he'd find it hard to have a starting place at any of the clubs you mentionned.

But does he truly deserve all the abuse for wanting to give it a try?
Mr waddys last comment is perfect. I think he should stay at lfc so he can play and continue to improve. He's at a pretty big club where he will start and play tough teams. If he went to Madrid he'd be like one of those many stars on the bench whose names I'm beginning to forget.....

But why should he be shamed and judged for reaching for the stars and wanting to play CL football for a giant club? Why shouldn't he want a raise? Wouldn't all of you desire the same things?
Fastest players in the world according to fifa.

Here is the list and speeds in full:

10. Alexis Sanchez (Arsenal) – 30.1 km/h

9. Arjen Robben (Bayern Munich) – 30.4 km/h

8. Franck Ribery (Bayern Munich) – 30.7 km/h

7. Wayne Rooney (Manchester United) – 31.2 km/h

6. Lionel Messi (Barcelona) – 32.5 km/h

5. Theo Walcott (Arsenal) – 32.7 km/h

4. Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid) – 33.6 km/h

3. Aaron Lennon (Tottenham, on loan at Everton) – 33.8 km/h

2. Gareth Bale (Real Madrid) – 34.7 km/h.

1. Antonio Valencia (Manchester United) – 35.1 km/h

source: https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/world-of-sport/fifa-reveals-the-fastest-footballer-in-the-world-202540390.html
I don't like these stats. doesn't take into account stamina. This is just raw speed.

Practically in football, after 80 mins, I wonder how that list would look
Sometimes I want all the fastest football players have

1) 200m sprint race
2) 2 laps race

To determine who's really the fastest without statistics . Would be cool to see a line of Bale Walcott ronaldo robben etc


according to fifa

fastest players


-Odonkor
-Lennon
-Walcot
-Agbonlahor
-Jaime peters
-marvel waynne
-nathan clyne
-terrazino
-matt tootle

and many more to be honest

or u mean fifa EA sports ?
Make them have a cross country run which lasts 90 mins to determine whos the fastest/ best stamina. Willian would be up there lol
aren't these stats based on overall top clock speed? this doesn't account for distance.

i.e. I think over 40m someone like Walcott or Lennon would easily outstrip Rooney, whereas someone with longer legs (Bale for example) would win a sprint race over 100m.

these are ultimately pointless stats.
they typically cover about 10 k in a match, so it'd be cool to see a 10 k race. but a good 10 k runner may not have the speed these guys do, and there's so much stop and start in football that they don't run a straight 10 k.

So I think a 1500/mile or an 800 m would be the best indication of speed. I wish they published their mile times, that would be very interesting.
And Valencia said fastest guy in the team was Smalling smh.
Robben is the fastest, he set a new world record at 37km/h against Spain in WC
How is Navas not on that list, speed is all he has
Those lists are such a bunch of crap. You really believe the fastest players of the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of footballers are ten world famous ones?

I'm 99% certain that none of the players we actually know would be in that list. There are thousands of players in the world faster than Ronaldo, they just have terrible skill, football intelligence/experience compared to him. A friend of mine once clocked the 100m in 11.2 seconds and the 400 in about 51s. He is a winger in his football team but he's pretty far from a professional despite being a very smart person and having good skill too. It takes a lot more than that to be a top football player, but it doesn't mean you can't be very fast.

Oh, and if we just go by famous players, it's very likely Aubameyang would be in the top 3, but he's not even there. And Messi is fast, but not top 10 in the world for sure. Acceleration-wise he's one of the best though.
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@jeroen it's possible they are the fastest recorded players, not all players will have these stats independently recorded by fifa.

personally i think it is BS but, im sure you'll agree, that doesn't mean it isn't possible.

also i think fastest average speed over a big sample size, as opposed to fastest individual reading, might yield different and more believable results results. also the rooney results might be from 2006
So... who is going to be relegated? Newcastle or Hull? Vote below!

(I can't 'like' my own comment, but my vote goes to Newcastle.)
Newcastle
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Newcastle Newcaste Newcaste Newcaste Newcaste Newcaste Newcaste
Hull City
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Probably us in all fairness
hull but i hope newcastle
If Newcastle relegation means no more Booba then I'll do whatever I can to save the magpies
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Booba has already allegiances from Newcastle. Last I heard he was thinking about supporting Hull.

@Booba - what's your opinion? Whom do you support now? Tough decision :D
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He'll support wherever Egypt players end up. MO SALAH
Hull have been poor but they actually try and fight back, Newcastle players couldn't give f**k at all. Newcastle deserve to get relegated.
Newcaslte UTD

whatever relegated or not , most of the players will leave next season , no difference ,
#drunk
Hull
Club of Shame, Newcastle United

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/20/newcastle-united-home-kit-wrong-wonga-logo
Cesc's red card was probably my favorite assist of the season. I mean, that accuracy was seriously impressive!
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Here is one for accuracy from farther away :D

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I like how the "injured" player got up straight away and wanted to fight when seconds ago he was in agony and unable to move.
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ref should have given the dude a card for faking injury.

on cesc's red card, he could have killed him so its deserved :P
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haha nice Tomikato!

Boom, right in the ego! You can't let Beck's get away with that.
Thoughts on the Sterling saga??

Personal opinion he's choosing the wrong path in trying to force a move out of Liverpool. He's a decent prospect but burning bridges where you started makings our name might turn out to be a recipe for disaster
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inb4 lol

maybe he needs another level to help his development..feels like his not progressing without UCL footy i think that's what it's really about. Lot's of people keep saying it's a bad move oh because his a guaranteed starter. But that's just it, we already know he can make it in a decent epl side. Now he needs to go on and prove if he can earn a spot in a good epl team with UCL footy

That being said his doing it wrong..this is not how you handle this sort of thing
I concur. I think the kid is being misguided by his clown agent. His agent wants a payout, and Sterling feels like he's a entitled established player who deserves better. Granted, I would be pissed as a player under BR. I think he brought in a lot of bad players. More misses than hits, but I would still be grateful for the opportunity given to me, and stick with the club. That's just me.

I'm trying to understand why he wants to leave? Maybe BR put the kid under a lot of pressure at a young age, but it's expected when you have misfiring forwards. Seeing next year will be an even harder year for pool. Not getting the proper players to help with the goals is very frustrating as a player. I can see why maybe he's had enough. It's a lot for a young kid to carry a club on your shoulders. Also, on the other hand, BR could also have been given some credit for pushing him to be a better player. Allowing him to play in the first team comes down to the manager. So credit to him on that.

Sterling says it's not about the money. Ok then, please clarify what is it about then? You want to win trophies? Well... you had a chance to do so in the FA cup this year. You were a no-show. Having said that, I still think Liverpool is the best place for him, and helped guide him into the player he is today. Showing a tiny bit of respect for your club could be shown. I think thats what pisses most LFC fans the most really. The lack of respect.

So what do you do with a player that won't give 110% for your club when he doesn't want to play for you? I'll tell ya, sell him for as much money as possible into another league of course. Get a quality...PROVEN player, and not another good potential young player. Liverpool have enough of those. Liverpool shouldn't sell Sterling until they find the right replacement. Granted pool have Ibe and Markovic and Origi. So maybe put the money on a much needed forward or defender instead. 3 years from now, I see Sterling playing for Hull City or QPR wishing he'd not listened to his agent. Or maybe that's me wishing him the worst lol Liverpool will move forward plain and simple regardless.
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Liverpool wont sell sterling and he might stay and become a legend.

"I want to leave anfield"

That was gerrard 10 years ago. But liverpool didnt let him leave and he stayed.

I think something similar will happen to sterling.

The only thing which doesn't make sense is that when gerrard handed a transfer request, he had big clubs interested in him (chelsea,madrid) and he was in his peak.

With Sterling, i honestly cant see him starting regularly in any of the top 4 teams.

As carragher said, he needs to stfu and just play football...he's 20 y.o. and he's not nearly as good as he thinks he is. Stick at liverpool for 2-3 years, and then if you are good enough, then move on
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When did Gerrard say that? I thought Chelsea courted him and he decided to stay instead. Mourinho recently said he tried to take him to Inter, Real and Chelsea, but he refused all of them.
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Article from 2005.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/4653041.stm

The quote in question:

"Steven has told us he will not accept our offer of an improved and extended contract because he wants to leave," a Liverpool club statement read."

Gerrard also issued a statement which said: "This has been the hardest decision I have ever had to make."

Obviously nothing came from any of that, so who knows, Liverpool could sit Sterling down and keep him. But he's not Gerrard, why would they if he wants to leave? As of 2005, Gerrard had helped lead Liverpool to a Champions League win. What has Sterling done? Besides picking up Suarez's and Sturridge's scraps (and doing it well, but it must be said that two better players were in front of him) last year, he's been very underwhelming this season and shown a bit of ungratefulness to the club that helped develop him.
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Suarez is another example of Liverpool convincing players to stay.

Raheem isn't as good as he think. He would not start in the top 3(possibly 4) epl teams. Stay in Liverpool, he's not doing much for them but the play time he's gotten is doing wonders for his talent and development.

Foolish move unless he's going to a team like Spurs which would seem pointless.
^i remember something about him choosing to stay cause of death threats he received from fans towards him and his family..could be wrong
There's a difference between choosing to part ways respectfully(Gerrard in 05, though it didn't happen eventually) and saying f**k you to the club(Sterling so far).
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It is actually good for us if someone is willing to pay 50 million for him.
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Actually i'v thought about this and changed my opinion

I think he can do what he wants. He clearly doesn't want to be at Liverpool, whats wrong with requesting to leave?
If we can sell him for value, sell him already. Otherwise, let him rot on the bench. I am sick to my stomach. He is toxic. We let him slide after this kind of attitude, our standard would go down.. and more players will treat us this way.

He did well last season, then again.. who didn't? Suarez carried our forward line.. pulling defenders to him, making available spaces for other players to basically poach goals. Give Suarez the ball and he is going to make plays and drag the ball forward.. creating chances and space. Sterling capable of doing that? Maybe in the lullaby his agents tell him.

He should have asked himself, how many decisions had he made right in his life? Well.. life is perhaps too much and too heavy, for an 18 years old with a kid. Let's just watch his play on the field, apart from his speed.. found anything particularly extra ordinary? His crossing? His finish? Teamwork after Suarez left? One on ones? umm? Well, he is good.. but is he great? A good player deserves a good wage, a great player deserves a great salary.. What are you Sterling?

Torres was probably five times the man you are, he moved, life carries on for Liverpool. Fowler, we loved him way more than you probably love your kid and whoever you've been sleeping with, he moved, we still bleed red. We've had world class players in Liverpool, they treated us with respect and we love them to death. My message to you is Good bye, good luck.

#HadToLetItOut.
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At the end of the day everyone involved with Liverpool FC is just massively disappointed about the unprofessional way he is leaving. Sterling and his representatives are trying to convince everyone that the club is the bad guy here even though they themselves have acted like the bad guys for a long time.
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From a purely business standpoint he's making a pretty s**t decision. He wants 100k but he also wants to start every week, He wont start at Chelsea, Arsenal or Man Utd, the only place he has a chance of starting is Man Ciy and even that is iffy. If he where to go abroad the only clubs who could afford his wages would be Real, Barca, Bayern, Juventus and PSG and he wont start at any of those clubs either. So from a logical perspective staying at Liverpool would be his best option although he's probably burned that bridge.
He should go back to where he came from, Qpr. They'll be competing for trophies next season, the Championship trophy, that is.
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Sell him to a club in Saudi Arabia.
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It is a free world. Everybody can do what they want. For instance, I could do demand that my boss pay me more money and give me an immediate raise or I will refuse to do any future work and leave for a rival company. I could do that, and other people could then judge me to be a giant twat for doing it.
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^LOL well put

Between him, his agent, and anyone else involved, they didn't go about this the right way. Contact disputes are nothing new. But privacy and respect is something to keep an eye on.
The article the brought him back to media attention reported that he is "expected to turn down" liverpool. You don't let such words get out.
The whole sags could've been handled better
Yeah but it can be that you like the job, the company, even get on well with your boss and don't care to move for money alone

That said football player is probably the only job where you can't get sacked, otherwise someone like Sterling gets a giant kick up the arse
^ not true at all. Footballers get sacked all the time. Big( or semi big) footballers have release clauses. That's what makes teams think twice about these athletes.

Tevez, after refusing to play for Mancini would get any athlete released but all they could do was not play him and promise to sell.
Ashley Cole brought a gun(not real I think) to training grounds. Just hit with fine
Rooney caught smoking multiple times. And even gaining weight.
Balotelli throwing darts, smoking, and long list of hooliganism.

Youth players with similar antics are released on a regular. Even long term injuries ends in them becoming free agents.

Pogba is the only example I can give since everyone knows him. His demands resulted in United letting him go. Fortunately for him, he was talented beyond expectations.
I just think you are fully entitled to decide your own future. We live in a world where there are no loyalties and we should accept that.

Sterling clearly doesn't want to be at Liverpool and is doing everything possible to fulfill that, is that so wrong? Why should he waste 1 year at a club he doesn't want to be at just because hes too young or not ready to move to a big club.

Let him move, if it works out fair play to him, if it doesn't, Sterling can blame no one but himself.
I find it disturbing, that someone like Carragher would talk about Sterling 'nnot showing up' in the semifinal. This is not a game of tennis. It is a team sport, and he is a 20 year old kid for fucks sake.

Oscar has disappeared for 2/3rds of the season. Hazard has disappeared from games, only for a piece of magic somewhere in the 90 mins. Both these players are 3 years older than Sterling. How can no one see that a club of Liverpool's size should not be dependent on a 20 year old for winning trophies?

The fault lies at the door of the club, and the manager. Why did the club leave it so late to sign one of their young prodigies to a long term contract? Agger and Gerrard are other examples of mismanaged contract offers. New contracts should have been in place for every single one, Sturridge and Suarez and Sterling, the day after last season ended.

Of course the agent wants more money and will try everything to get his way. But the club has done nothing to help this situation.
West Bromwich , Manchester City
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You forgot hashtags.
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And relevance.
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Simpletons, U guys can't think on the level Booba is at.

Wes Brom and City are the only teams that haven't lost in their last five games.
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I realized that and I'm sure Oddshot did too. It doesn't hurt to add some context though.
LOL I'm not serious, but if you know Booba long enough, you start to understand him.
+2
After 4 years of being the only two active members on the Newcastle forum I feel like I know him all too well lol.
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So...Tony Pulis is as good as Pellegrini
+1
Micky #Nobel Prize #topfriend #originalBooba
#likeforlike
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@oddshot #cheers #Pro Bro
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Haha, you didn't disappoint Booba!

#high five #top lad
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