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This has been one hell of a season so far in EPL history. Every week, a new story, except for 1st place, lol -_-
But the quality is absolutely shocking, considering EPL was the best league in the world some years ago.
Arsenal - United for example are so far away from the european top. It's not even funny anymore. In past it was one of my favourite ties to watch, now i rather watch Davis Cup or Cologne - Berlin...
Robbery you might be speaking too soon...our footy Pundits prediction is that "Its only 12th games and the season is 38 games long...Winter is coming".
Some of the premier league teams are rebuilding. It will take time for them to get it right. No one league stays top in terms of quality for ever. Premier league makes up for it by being way more exciting than some of the other leagues though. Its just a matter of time till we see the resurgence of the big teams in England.
actually when the game started, it was a 7th vs 9th battle. clearly both sides are not at their best. united's defense is decimated and their midfield isnt exactly bossing games and rvp looks a shadow of what he was just last season.

in general, no one is really being consistent in the league except chelsea, which has also reflected in the CL. none of the english teams will make QF/SF besides chelsea.
Utd's got 99 problems but defeating Arsenal ain't one
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Rooney's fav opponent lol
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Drogba - "Excuse me"??
At the early stages of the season Newcastle were predicted to be a fight form relegation team and it only took a 5 game wining streak(15 points) to run past the struggling Liverpool, Arsenal, and United to potentially be 4th. What a league!
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Newcastle fans must be so confused on if they still want Pardew sacked or not. Can't tell if it's him, or if its the team.
Regardless of results I would still rather see Pardew gone. It's bad enough that we have fans who punch horses let alone a manager who headbutts players when provoked.

On a side note though relatively happy with our little resurgence :)

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@Odd Then tell me, what mistakes is Pardew doing? What you don't like about him? One incident should not be an argument why to dislike a person. There were more factors of why Newcastle's form went up. Including more stable lineup and teamwork of players. I am really happy with the 5 game winning streak and I hope that it will not end on West Ham ground.
to be fair, Alan Pardew's situation is a long list of positives and negatives. This wining streak shouldn't overshadow his seven game winless streak not so long ago. Also this streak contributes to the only victories of the season.

I don't know the Newcastle situation well to argue with you. Just my two cents.
I just personally disagree that Pardew is the right man to take the club forward. I accept that the main issue with the club is how it is run but I don't think Pardew has necessarily helped himself with a vast majority of tactical decisions in the past few seasons and the way he handles himself in the media limelight draws unnecessary attention to a club already in slight dissarray (calling pelegrinni a c**t, and pushing a match official)

I think Ashley was a little overly zealous rewarding pardew an 8 year contract off the back of a good season and it has resulted in us being lumbered with a manager who for me is not up to the job at hand of taking us to the next level. The headbutting incident was merely the icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned with the man.
Fair enough. I didn't know that he got such long-term contract from Ashley. That is overly zealous indeed.

If I should reply to some voices who say: "Newcastle plastic fans changed their opinion and they don't want Pardew out anymore."
Pointing out that we are inconsistent in our opinions is like asking why there's change of manager post in other PL teams every year. This question is really hard to answer.
It seems that there will always be such hostility inside the PL fans community.
newcastle were never in books for relegation. too much quality in that team to go down. but 5 wins a row is impressive
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We said that in 2009 and look what happened lol.
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This good form isn't a shock to me actually, they did the exact same thing last season, unlike us, NCFC actually love November lol.

I think most Newcastle fans have a strong hatred towards Ashley more so than Pardew, but Pardew seems to be the easier target. NCFC atm seems to have no real ambition b/c once they have a good player among their ranks, Ashley sells them for a profit (Ba, Cabaye, Carroll) he also doesn't seem to care where NCFC finish, as long as they don't get relegated, and thats the part that angers the NCFC fans (rightly so imo), they want someone who cares about the club and not soley on making a profit and/or avoiding relegation.
Predictions
Manchester City v. Swansea City 3-1
Chelsea v. West Bromwich Albion 2-0
Arsenal v. Manchester United 1-1
Crystal Palace v. Liverpool 1-2
Hull City v. Tottenham Hotspur 0-1
Manchester City v. Swansea City 2-0
Chelsea v. West Bromwich Albion 4-0
Arsenal v. Manchester United 4-3
Crystal Palace v. Liverpool 0-1
Hull City v. Tottenham Hotspur 0-2
Manchester City v. Swansea City 2-0
Chelsea v. West Bromwich Albion 3-1
Arsenal v. Manchester United 0-2
Crystal Palace v. Liverpool 7-1
Hull City v. Tottenham Hotspur 2-1
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Predictions
Manchester City v. Swansea City 2-0
Chelsea v. West Bromwich Albion 3-0
Arsenal v. Manchester United 1-2
Crystal Palace v. Liverpool 1-1
Hull City v. Tottenham Hotspur 1-0
Manchester City v. Swansea City 2-2
Chelsea v. West Bromwich Albion 2-0
Arsenal v. Manchester United 1-2
Crystal Palace v. Liverpool 1-3
Hull City v. Tottenham Hotspur 0-1
Manchester City v. Swansea City 1-1
Chelsea v. West Bromwich Albion 2-1
Arsenal v. Manchester United 1-2
Crystal Palace v. Liverpool 1-0
Hull City v. Tottenham Hotspur 0-1
Man City 1 0 Swansea
Chelsea 2 1 West Brom
Arsenal 2 2 Man Utd
Palace 1 1 Liverpool
Hull 1 0 Spurs
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City 3-1 Swansea
Chelsea 2-1 WBA
Arsenal 3-1 Man Utd
Palace 1-1 Liverpool
Hull 1-2 Spurs
Man City 1-2 Swansea
Chelsea 4-1 West Brom
Arsenal 3-1 Man Utd
Palace 1-2 Liverpool
Hull 1-1 Spurs
Man City 3-1 Swansea
Chelsea 5-0 West Brom
Arsenal 4-3 Man Utd
Palace 2-3 Liverpool
Hull 0-2 Spurs
Why no Newcastle prediction? :)

Newcastle 2-1 QPR
Man City 1-1 Swansea
Chelsea 4-2 West Brom
Arsenal 1-1 Man Utd
Hull 1-2 Spurs
Villa 1-3 Southampton
My general feeling about the forums is fans of some teams need to go to specsavers. They have a distorted view of what will shape up in the next two months
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Your comment is quite vague, can you be more specific?
After appointing Malky Mackay as manager, old man Whelab seems to have put the other foot in his mouth as well.

In a recent interview to the Guardian, while defending Mackay's appointment, here's what he had to say.
"It's telling the truth. Jewish people love money, English people love money; we all love money."

Typically, the media has only decided to focus on the first sentence and the first part of the second sentence. Although it is a ridiculous comment to make, the latter part of the quote seems to make it an all inclusive statement rather than a stereotype.

I am posting this only because this is a football related incident, and do not wish to flout site rules. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
Umm, I don't usually read Guardian - in my country we have different media. Anyway if they just quoted the first few sentences then it's just confirming that today's most popular media isn't discussing facts anymore but they discuss any unusual word that anyone says (in this case it's the sentence: "Jewish people love money").
Lol wow. I only read the headline of the article on some papers and they all only say "Jewish love money".
Berahino could have starred and played 2 full 90s with the U21s for England but instead was called up to the senior side where he was an unused sub in both games. Even the "friendly".

Not the way to do it, England.
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Scotland game was the one he should have started..star players should have been rested sure.. worried about having so many gunners under woy
Definitely. I was very surprised to see both Rooney and Wellbeck starting against Scotland. I know there's an issue of pride, but get over it, be practical, and think long-term.

You should be worried about Woy playing with your Arsenal players like they're his toys. He's doing his best to break all of LFC's players.

He already broke Stuzza and Hendo and cried when he wasn't able to excessively play with his new "Waheem" toy
If Hodgson fielded a weakened side against Scotland, the english media and fans would have plowed into him (even more so had they lost with that weakened side), and the Scotland fans would do likewise for Hodgson not showing them proper respect.

Sad but true, that game was no typical friendly. Fielding a strong team and winning was the only way out for Hodgson, all other scenarios would have people criticizing him.

But i agree with the Berahino call up fiasco.
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How did Roy Hudgson even become England's manger?
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"If Hodgson fielded a weakened side against Scotland, the english media and fans would have plowed into him (even more so had they lost with that weakened side), and the Scotland fans would do likewise for Hodgson not showing them proper respect. "

He needs to have the balls to do the right thing, regardless. (ew, hodgson's balls)
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The only England manager who is destined to lead this nation to greatness, is one who will not let the media dictate how he picks his squad smh
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@KL
Ask Harry and Spurs fans.

@Bplittle
Exactly, sadly Hodgson has none.
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Arsenal vs United Thread
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-Few comments/stats/previews for the game
-Lineups?
-Form players? Who to watch out for?
-Who's defense is more vulnerable?
-Who should win? Is one manager under more pressure than the other?
-Score Prediction?
too hard to predict lineups. Both sides suffering several injuries to key players with some hopeful/expecting to be fit. I reckon late fitness tests will determine the lineups.

I'd say that on paper, Utd's defence is slightly weaker but the their vulnerability is influenced by the rest of the team. Arsenal also seemingly can't defend, and that comes from the top back to the goalkeeper - poor discipline, no shape. Both teams are equally suspect, I feel.

Form players: Rooney and Sanchez. Both on impressive runs at club level that has continued with goals from both of them during international break.

Arsenal are pretty reliable at home, I can't even recall the last time we lost in the league at the Emirates, so I'm going for an Arsenal win, but it will be a tight game - 1-0/2-0/2-1
- Form players from both the teams Alexi and Rooney
- Watch out for a RVP goal with celebration
- Arsenal Defense is more vulnerable recently
- Winning or getting points is more important LVG ...Because Wenger is under no pressure considering he is very safe and the Arsenal board backs him no matter what.
- 2 - 2 Draw
But what if Arsenal's top 4 chances are in jeopardy (not saying they are), will the board not even act then?

I think four things swing this game in Arsenal's favour

-Giroud and more importantly Arteta's return
-Walcott against any defense is dangerous, he forces the opposition to defend deep
-Arsenal are at home
-ADM's AND DDG's fitness concerns

That being said, United are coming off a clean sheet and win while Arsenal have kept only one clean sheet in 5 home games and are coming from a poor defeat. But i think Arsenal will just about nick it 2-1 or 3-1.
Another scoring draw. We have yet to win away but we have a great record vs arsenal. even last season we did decently.
Scoring draw for me...unless Sanchez is the player who can finally show the team how to stand up to our rivals
I'm picking, a 2-2 or 3-3 draw. Both teams are weak at the back at the moment.

Surely with another season apart from the Gunners if rvp scores he will celebrate. Lets hope we don't give him a chance!
England have tiki taka too!

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The team is showing signs of consistency and improvement. I think its partly because some players like Wilshere and Welbeck are starting to get in form and are putting on consistently good preformances for England. Not mention they've got quality in Hart, Sterling, Henderson, Sturridge, Rooney and Cahill and if the team calls up players that deserve to start for England like Gibbs and Clyne then the team is going to improve by a lot by the Euro 2016 tournament if they can get more and more comfortable with each other.
England can play tiki taka too, but it depends on who the opposition is :P

Anyways, 5 things I learned from the England game

1) There is no need to ever see Glen Johnson in an England shirt again
2) Jack Wilshere, woof. Honestly, this England team looks better w/o Gerrard in midfield
3) Milner is very VERY underrated, he should start over Henderson imo, and Smalling over Jagielka?
4) Sturridge may not be guaranteed of a starting place when/if he returns with the current form of Welbeck
5) Liverpool contingency losing their places in the England side?

Thoughts?
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I'm sure this will spark outrage but it seems like there has been an improvement since the retirement of Lampard and Gerrard.

This new team is lacking international experience in comparison to the aforementioned but they still have a lot of experience at the top of domestic/european competition.

The good thing is that the majority of them are in their early twenties and can stay together for the next 5 years. We've got a lot of pace and trickery in the forward positions and out wide. I won't get carried away but I think that, if the core of this team stays together, the future won't be all doom and gloom.
I have never seen England score that kind of goal in this era.
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I have been saying for years that gerrard is keeping the team back and everybody said it's because i didnt like gerrard.

Most of the Liverpool contingency didn't earn their place in the england squad in the first place. remember euro? liverpool finished 7 yet they had the most players there.
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Improvement?? Please wait till they play a big team and i'm very sure they will get humbled even now.

I agree with Somere on the Gerrard matter..Anyways its for the good that he is retired now.
But lets not blame anyone for having most players from Liverpool in the National team, because they have most no. of overrated English players in the squad..So its obvious to see them fill the NT squad.
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IMO, Liverpool would look much better defensively w/o Gerrard. He has his moments of course, but he also has games where he offers no protection to the defense, he's just not a CDM, he's a box to box CAM/CF but doesn't have the legs anymore.

Yh, i'll reserve my judgement on whether this really is an improvement until some more games. But here's my ideal XI

Hart
Clyne Cahill Smalling Shaw
Wilshere
Milner Ox
Sterling
Rooney Welbeck
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As a LFC fan, I agree on the matter of Gerrard as a DM.
The whole "Gerrard doesn't offer cover to the defense" thing is such a red herring. I can count on one hand how many times Gerrard's defense directly led to a goal this season (hint: its 0).
They haven't made a huge improvement but its a consistency that's going to help them improve on the long run. They face France and Germany so will see were they stand.
Lol no body, but Gerrard? Are u kidding me? If anything u just showed that hate Gerard now. The whole England team in that era sucked. In case u haven't noticed there a lot of young players like Sterling, Ox, Welbeck, Wilshire etc developing as players and nearing their prime. Most of the England squad is different from defenders, to midfielders, to forwards. For u to just single out 1 player like that says a lot about u.
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The main key we have to look at is freshness of the squad. England has a lot of excitement going forward. However, there's a weakness in defense. Smalling to me is a weak link. Jag seems to not be the same playler in an Engkand shirt as well.

We have to be careful talking about the middle as well. This is where the battle is own and loss. Wilshere will never be the typical DM in a destroyer sense so I would personally try to recruit someone big to play along side him. He is a double edge sword and if he could work out some of those kinks I think he could be that one person teams are going to try to figure out how to stop. To cut off the head you need to first cut off the supply line. If Barkley could be implemented somehow he too could be a worry for the opposition because it then becomes a case of who should they double team or put more resources to stop. Unless it's someone like Germany where they can match player for player so even one on one with England's best player should warrant nothing but containment.

If Henderson can step up it should be a nice complimentary move playing with Jack in the middle.
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England has improved without Gerrard and lamps..there was always too much pressure on them to lead the squad.
Its obvious Gerrard and Lampard ( CL winners and Club Legends , Ballon'dor nominees... countless ) were definitely the reason for england's bad for or era, nothing to do with the manager, surely.

Don't talk as if they won the Euros, they beat scotland FFS!
unsurprisingly the Liverpool fans misinterpret this as hatred for Gerrard.

From an entertainment perspective, I think England have played better since the golden oldies retired. There is more urgency and directness in the play, we press high and hunt in packs. We're imaginative and adventurous when attacking.

We've played the same weak teams with Gerrard and Lampard in previous years and still been piss-poor. I think them stepping back has allowed a new style of football to be developed, one that doesn't focus on getting the best out of old legs.

The team is now being built for the future, rather than adding new parts to an old machine.
They wanted Gerrard and lampard to do more than they could do and actually thought they could do more than they actually did. For example neither of them offers any kind of defensive cover. you dont have to break up the partnership but thats where someone like Carrick comes in, which would have allowed Gerrard to play his B2B role and Lampard supporting the striker.
Once gerrard was in the squad there was always going to be that problem because england thought he was superman, so they would play 2 strikers and pair him with lampard who isnt even a central midfielder. which is also too bad. Scholes-gerrad partnership would have been a way better for a 2 man midfield while they were still young.
Ok, so this is my first time posting in this forum. This is after being on this site for over 3 years.

Feels like purgatory.
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wait ! what ! you never posted on his holy forum ?
and you became a mod ?? o.O
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How could it be? I remember seeing your posts here.
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Yeah, I don't think its your first time.
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Whenever I say its my first time the outcome is always awesome lol :P
Yes my very first time.

Shay. I've had a few first times, best [fill the blank] ever.
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and this is my first time replying to u..

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