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Which Country Is In A More Dire State ? France Or Italy?
Ant (Liverpool) 6 years ago
The Guardian have a good article about how the French press are treating the French team. Every word of it is accurate

France Soir
"Clearly nothing can be expected of Les Bleus. Their achievements are shameful: France is the laughing stock of the world."

Le Parisien
"To have the worst football team at the World Cup was already unbearable. To also have the most stupid is intolerable … The mutiny at Knysna will forever remain the Waterloo of French football."
Blueskiesahead (Chelsea) 6 years ago
If this was my team, I would be ashamed.... Honestly, watching france recently is actually making me feel better about being a canadian...
Ant (Liverpool) 6 years ago

"With Anelka on a flight to Paris last night, insisting that he has retired from international football, Sochaux coach Francis Gillot lambasted the attitude of the French players, observing: 'Their attitude is both pathetic and disgraceful. Today I am thinking of the Irish – they should have been there in our place. France is the laughing stock of the world.' "

Golaire (Bayern München) 6 years ago
Damn, the pathetic showing of the French has made Henry's hand ball 100 times worse. Had they played well and with spirit they could have redeemed themselves. I bet Ireland would have played with great spirit, done their country proud, and made it out of the group. I am not even Irish but it still makes me really frustrated. FIFA should learn from this disaster
MORJO (Manchester United) 6 years ago
I love you italy
Juno (AC Milan) 6 years ago
We love you back, Adidas
ManUK (Manchester United) 6 years ago
Actually Italy is sponsored by puma lol
Juno (AC Milan) 6 years ago
I know
ManUK (Manchester United) 5 years ago
Oh the profile pic I feel stupid
Kiwoli (Inter Milan) 6 years ago
Both teams are not doing great, I can't say we should be surprised as the signs were there even before the World Cup. With the recent turn of events, there's no doubt France is hitting rock bottom - they can still go lower, losing to SA comes to mind.

I still do not fully understand the incompetence of management in refusing to change their ways, which carried down to the coach who made some rather strange choices for their squad. I'll repeat a comment I made about Italy earlier, the team is Juventus in disguise - due in large part to Lippi - and they didn't have the best of season at home. Which begs the question, if you were going to use a club team as the national team, why wouldn't you choose Roma?
ManUK (Manchester United) 6 years ago
Both are terrible old and lazy in my opinion and will be lucky to get out of the group stage. I said this far before the teams made it to South Africa and so far I have been correct. France is probably worse off though from what I've seen they lose to much lesser opponents Italy draw more often but both have huge goal scoring problems.

With the manager and Anelka stuff coming in the news now it looks far worse for France though. I'd say they will be lucky to get out of the group
Juno (AC Milan) 6 years ago
Italy has been drawing all(almost) their games this year.... If they draw their third game, they'll be lucky enough to scrape through into the last 16 if NZ don't win
Sam (Footytube Moderator) 6 years ago
Italy still winless in 2010- looks like nothing is going to change any time soon
Blueskiesahead (Chelsea) 6 years ago
Anyone that has been keeping track of the recent drama surrounding the france national team has to agree that france is in much, much, much more dire straights than italy. After sending nicolas anelka home, the france football federation has finally done enough to force the team members to strike back. Today they refused to train in protest to anelka's sending home. This then resulted in the resignations of team director jean-louis valentin and fitness coach robert duverne. Things are certainly not looking good for this team
Lyndon (Panathinaikos Athens) 6 years ago
With all the latest news back and forth with these two clubs one of disgrace and the other of sheer under performing! I think France is in more dire situation BUT in WC standards France can still do something of worth, as Italy have now suffered a crucial draw by New Zealand!
6 years ago
By the way: it seems that Italians are really ambitious as they want to prove that no one should underestimate their potential to be a team in a more dire state than France or England
Ant (Liverpool) 6 years ago
Some quotes from the French camp after the refused to train and the senior staff have resigned and gone back to France

"fff delegate Valentin just said 'players don't want to train, I'm sick of it, I'm resigning and flying back to Paris'. "

France team director Jean-Louis Valentin:
"It's a scandal for the French, for the young people here. It's a scandal for the federation and the French team. They don't want to train. It's unacceptable. As for me, it's over. I'm leaving the federation. I'm sickened and disgusted. "

"France refused to train on Sunday because of striker Nicolas Anelka's expulsion, according to a letter written by them and read out to the media by coach Raymond Domenech. "

As an Ireland fan, I'm not happy about this, just disappointed that our place in the finals was wasted on this bunch of egomaniac prima-donnas
Golaire (Bayern München) 6 years ago
The French players are apparently refusing to practice today, its funny how much national character affects how a country performs. This will never happen to the Germans.
France are going to go home without scoring a single goal
Juno (AC Milan) 6 years ago
That would have been some feat by their standards. LMAO
Pragathish (AC Milan) 6 years ago
England England England
Somere (Portmore Utd) 6 years ago
At the time of this post england was playing well but I think we should officially add england along with france and italy.
England still has a great team but for some reason there seem to be no chemistry, maybe the club rivalry is still there. Or maybe capello is making wrong decisions with his team
6 years ago
No, they just play like they don't really care. The only player that seems to care about the game is.... Heskey who even risks his health to win the ball and do as much as possible for the team (he's by default the same sort of player as a defensive midfielder, but at front - creating space for Rooney, assisting, struggling with defenders, basically a guy that does all the hard work while others get the standing ovation), no matter if he's starting an attack or helping the defence. Despite all the laughs at him, he's the only guy that deserves respect for his performance so far.

Supporters in Poland sing "why do you play if you're lacking ambition" (it rhymes in Polish). Maybe that's what English fans should sing instead of "God save the Queen"
Guess8again (FC Shakhtar Donetsk) 6 years ago
Interesting subject. Although both teams are struggling badly at the moment I think Italy have bigger problems, although their group standing doesn't show it. I feel that France doesn't need to change the team so much, but that they need a coach change. Italy on the other hand need a new coach, and an entire new generation to fill the spots of the 35 year olds dragging their feet on the field. I would like everyone to know that every year in which my country (Romania) hasn't qualified, I have cheered for Italy. This year however, once I saw the final list of players and noticing that even Giuseppe Rossi had been cut, I realized that I will have to cheer for another team, not because I feel that Italy have very small chances of winning this WC, but because the play style is frustrating me and I am definitely not a big fan of Lippi
Juno (AC Milan) 6 years ago
They won the WC06 with Lippi, so Lippi has persevered with some of them. So much so he looks stupidly stubborn at times...
ACMilan21 (AC Milan) 6 years ago
I think that France is doing really bad.
Italy is sort of performing badly, but not nearly as bad. The Italian team plays quite well together, and their only real problem is attacking. They never really shoot, etc.
As of next year, Prandelli will be the manager, and he is great. I'm sure he can fine tune a few things....
France is different. They have potential, but Domenech is just a disaster. They need to change a few things as well, but are definetley way down there.... They are in more of a dire state.
Somere (Portmore Utd) 6 years ago
I think today answered you question. The problem is with the french football federation, they sent domenech to the world cup with him having nothing to lose and expect to get good results. The moment you announce he will lose his job after the world cup, he no longer cares how the team perform, he is just serving out his days as manager especially since a successor has already been announced
Ant (Liverpool) 6 years ago
Well that shows an absolute lack of character on his behalf. If I was told I was getting the sack after the world cup that would make me work hard to end my legacy with glory.

I think the blame is equally shared between the coach who has no tactical expertise or man management skills, and the players who are self-obsessed petulant egomaniacs that act like five year olds.

Shameful behaviour, shameful results, shameful World cup. I'm just happy that for once that a balance of sorts has been created. France cheated to get into the World cup, and now they are claiming handballs, offsides, all kinds of rubbish. In reality, they prove that a team of superstars does not make a superstar team
Tony (footytube staff) 6 years ago
Well its looking like france right this minute after their defeat to mexico tonight, and I can't see anyway back for them, at least italy still have a chance, frances chance has gone>>>>>>
Juno (AC Milan) 6 years ago
The curse of Ireland has work well indeed. LOL
ScooterHayes (Chelsea) 6 years ago
As of today, France.    Thank you Mexico.

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