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Player Ratings And Opinions 2012-2013
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This is this year's opinions and player ratings for the season. I started a couple of games early this time, and I thought I might as well put it up here. Anyone can post their ratings and opinions, and if multiple people post their ratings, I'll do an average and put up that figure. Ratings need not have a verbose description, if anyone else wants to add their ratings! You are free to voice your opinions on given ratings, or just throw in the numbers that you think are fair. What I do ask, is to be very careful of giving 10s and 3/2/1/0. 4 usually denotes a very bad match, and 9 denotes a great match.

Why all this? It is a great way of having data in our hands. We all share ideas and opinions, but we can forget how a player might have started brilliantly in the season, and then found a blip for 5 games and then improved again, but we might just remember the start or the blip towards the end of the season. If we're lucky, we'll have ratings published for every game, and a thorough set of opinions for us to debate on through an end of the season rating.
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Friendly Game - Red Bull vs Tottenham.

Since this is a friendly, I didn't give any ratings, but just gave opinions on each player.

Gomes - Did almost nothing. Was called in twice all game. Can't judge on it.

Walker - Good movement, better positioning when compared to the past. However, a horrid day at passing and crossing. 5 wasted passes and 2 attempted cross field passes gone into the stands. Still, positional play was better and adapting to the high line.

Naughton - Came on for walker, did a decent job. Didn't get too much activity on his side.

Vert - A bit of a poor game from him. Looked a bit nervous and gave away the penalty after a mistake from the high line system, and then made a couple of forward header choices under no pressure and gave the ball away instead of passing left.

Gallas - Came on for Vert at the end of the first half, and was pretty solid in his game. Looks to be the person who adapted to the high line the most, and put in a shift to run towards the ball to prevent it going over the line. He realizes he needs to fight for his place, and is putting in the effort. Good on him!

Dawson - Decent game. Came close to scoring once off a corner. Wasn't too flashy, no obvious mistakes, and yet no real eye catching moment.

Kaboul - Came on for Dawson in the latter parts of the game. Don't think he even got a touch. Wasn't really tested.

Bae - Played a solid 80 minutes, and was extremely good both positionally as well as in his passing and crossing sense. Trademark passes to Bale in the second half to release him down the left flank, and even across the field to Walker to release him down the right flank. Also the dreaded drag back made an appearance, but he managed to keep the ball through it. Overall, the second best performer of the day. Finally made those deadly overlaps with Bale, where Bale came back to defend and Benny went up to cross (with good success).

Bassong - Came in for 10 minutes. Made a couple of decent runs, but looks out of place and out of shape for that LWB spot.

Huddlestone - Easily the player of the first half. Showed us what we missed last season. Brilliant box to box stuff, with him showing up at both ends, mostly defensive, but also alert to the attack. A couple of those long range passes came in, as well as one thunderous shot on goal. Some very good and clean tackles to break up play! He'll really push Parker hard, no question there, and I wouldn't be too shocked if Parker fell behind both Thudd and Sandro!

Livermore - Similar to Dawson. Had an okay game. Nothing great. Nothing bad.

Jenas - Same as Livermore. Came on for Hudds at 45 minutes and did his job.

Carroll - Some good weighted passes. Came on in the 62nd minute. Isn't completely ready yet, but I can easily see him playing the Europa and cup games. Don't think he'll be sent on loan anymore. He's proven his worth.

Bentley - Played for 45 minutes, and truth be told, he wasn't all that bad. He put in a shift and tried hard. His balls into the box were a little weak and had a weird trajectory, but he tried to adapt to the LAM position and didn't do too badly.

Townsend - Came in towards the end. Hectic little time, and he was the center of all attacks during that little period of time. Still quite impressed with him this pre-season, and would be criminal to send him away on loan!

Siggs - Was struggling to understand his more advanced role. He kept dallying in midfield when he was expected to go up by the rest of the players. He's got a lot to learn positionally, but that will come over time. His finish was sublime, and he is a certain threat from corners. One of the best things that's come from the day so far is the obvious work put into corners! About bloody time!

Lennon - Had a mixed game. He wasn't fed well into the corners like he usually is by Walker, and was left stranded on many an occasion by wayward passing. When he had the ball, he did do decently well. He did get a good chance, and he curled it into the middle while he should have curled it further away from the keeper. Its a tough time to be Lennon right now, and I hope that he won't get a downward look from this mediocre pre-season for him.

Adam Smith - Came on for Lennon towards the end. Doubt if he touched the ball.

Kane - Came on for Bentley after 45 minutes, and its the first time I've got a chance to see him this pre-season. He wasn't bad. He made some decent runs, and while the end product is missing, he still has the brain for it. He's on the slow side, but he's 19. The jury's still out on him, if he'll ever be good enough for us. He just might be, but not as a striker. He needs another season on loan, and needs to play in the VDV role, for that might suit him best.

Bale - Performer of the day. Looked somewhat okay in the CF role, though he did drift to the left (as SS pointed out to me) quite a bit. He made some good runs, but it was either too far left or too far right, and the middle wasn't open during the first 45. He did bring Hudds into play with a beautiful set up ball though. He could work as an emergency CF, but not a secondary choice at all. Second half, he switched to the left, and the difference was instant. He beat defenders and crossed the ball in dangerously. Headed in a goal from a corner, and tracked back to allow BAE to make some dangerous runs on the overlap. He switched to the right flank, but looked poor there as usual. Still, the overall impact he had on the game was telling. Had a good FK as well, that needed a very good save from their keeper.

AVB/Technical area - Very good use of our currently limited subs. Everyone's got some time in pre-season apart from Fridel, and the most telling signs are the amount of work put in towards FKs and corner kicks. High line is being used still, and that remains our main concern. However, he brought players off as soon as they appeared tired, and I like the faith he put into the youngsters. The technical area looks lively, and interested. They look a part of the team, instead of glum onlookers that then pass judgement like an executioner's axe. Everyone's making an effort to blend in with the squad and that deserved a double mention. AVB's slowly but surely proving my doubts wrong, and for that I'm glad
Thornby (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Loving the rating and opinion on players idea, good work mate

I agree with you on near enough everything except fromsome of the thoughts on siggs, I thought he had great game I could see siggs keeping VDV out of the team this year (and trust me I never thought I would say that lol), I rate VDV massively but have been so pleased with siggs....

Also if bale can keep this going during the season he could really take us to the next level....

But person who I have been most pleased with is Huddlestone, being out all last year pretty much I wasnt optimistic on how he would come back but he looks better than I have ever seen him
[account-removed] 4 years ago
I'm glad you like the idea, and like I said, when the actual season starts, do feel free to drop in your own ratings as well The more the number that rates, the more "complete" the distribution will be.

With regards to Siggs, I don't think he was bad, but there are certain times where Bale was up front, and looking to pass it back to someone in that hole, and there was no one there. It was VDV's prime area, and its just that experience that he needs to understand where to be at what time. I don't doubt either that Siggs will overthrow VDV in a few months time, and is already ahead of VDV in set pieces and corners!

About Bale and Huddlestone, absolutely agreed. I am delighted to see Hudds complete 45 minutes in a competitive game, and he looks much leaner and actually much fitter than at this time last season. I'd love to see him come on as a sub next season with his passing range when teams are tired. Can't wait for a Thudd strike!
Thornby (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Yeah deffs a good idea, if the numbers share their thoughts.

I am counting on huddlestone to be bigger for us than just a sub, the competition in our midfield is better than it has everr been.... Must say I can't wait for the season to kick off!
Thornby (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Yeah deffs a good idea, if the numbers share their thoughts.

I am counting on huddlestone to be bigger for us than just a sub, the competition in our midfield is better than it has everr been.... Must say I can't wait for the season to kick off!
Cazador (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Love the opinions Mag! I think that this was a very good test for the team, and I know it is just friendlies but AVB's use of basically our entire team is heartening. Looks like he is very interested in utilizing players that perhaps before weren't really on the first team radar like Bentley and Jenas. I personally think them having a great season would be almost better than spending money to being in replacements, but whatever.

Glad Thudd had a good game, solid in the midfield and had a great attack forward that ended with a close save - hopefully he can get that leg of his into goal-scoring shape before the end of the season!
[account-removed] 4 years ago
Thudd gets so much love on the forums, lol. As he should! Exceptional player, and I really hope like both you and Thronby that he has an injury free season. I really do think Sandro + Huddlestone would be a deadly combination at CDM pair!

You might be right about AVB giving Bentley and Jenas a chance. I do think that we might see Bentley get another run, but doubt Jenas will. With the you 21 series accepting 3 players over 21, I do think Bentley will focus a lot in there. We need to get his confidence and his faith in himself up again, and it'll slowly come. Certainly a + from AVB to give the guys short on confidence and time a run out. So far so good man management wise!

Thudd to score a cracker against Newcastle?
EarnYourSpurs (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
_______________Newcastle 2-1 Tottenham__________________
Always difficult to travel to St. James park and leave happy. Good game, Bad result.

Friedel: 6. 0 - Didn't have much to do all match. Not much he could've done about the goals.

Walker: 5. 5 - Made a couple mistakes in attack. Was average in defence. Misjudged a header that lead to Ba's goal.

Kaboul & Gallas: 6. 5 - Not much for them to do today but did well when called upon. Kept Ba and Cisse relatively quite.

Assou Ekotto: 6. 0 - Supported the attack decently and was ready to track back and defend. Had a long range effort parried by Krul in the second half.

Aaron Lennon: 6. 5 - Caused Santon some problems today. Almost set up Bale in the first half and I believe he got the assist for Defoe's goal. But, unfortunately, Gave away the penalty.

Livermore: 5. 5 - Showed us what we're missing in Thudd and Luka. Had a very average game. Still has a lot to learn. Good 3rd choice CM for now....

Sandro: 6. 5 - Typical Sandro. Solid. Could've been better had Thudd or Modric been alongside him.

Bale: 6. 0 - Played well in the first half. Got Danny Simpson booked and had a good chance to put us one up with a well headed ball only to see it come back off the crossbar.

Gylfie: 6. 5 - Lively in the first half. Had some good deliveries. Dimmed in the second and was replace by VDV. Really starting to gel with the team.

Defoe: 7. 0 - Well, he got his start. Did surprisingly well in the lone striker role, despite the lack of service. He looked hungry and almost put us 1-0 in the first half after cutting in from the left and striking near post, unfortunately, hitting the plumbing. He evened the score in the 2nd half only to have Newcastle convert a penalty and take the 3 points. Unlucky. Love the guy and hope he can adapt into the sole striker role.


Vdv: 6. 0 - Came on for the last 20 minutes. Added some creativity and provided a few pinpoint passes. Should be interesting to see how AVB rotates between him and Gylf.

Kane: came on late and didn't have any impact.
Northstream (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
We rarely have much luck at St James' Park but we can always hope that will change. It could so easily have in this game. I really enjoyed that high defensive line we played, which really pinned Newcastle into their own half for much of the match. It was not to be this time either. Except for a League Cup win four years ago we haven't won at St James' Park since 2004. Back then Jacques Santini was our manager and the match-winner was Timothée Atouba with his one and only goal scored for us....

Personally, I don't agree with some of the ratings you've given for yesterday's match. I still despair over the lack of football brain Kyle Walker too often shows. On the first goal he was to blame, not Gallas, and he was missing in action on the second goal. I also think that VDV had quite an impact after he came on. He looked hungry and did well, except for his joint effort with Lennon to give away the penalty. However neither of them should ever be put in the position of defending to keep Hatem Ben Arfa out of the box....
EarnYourSpurs (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
I agree, I think I gave Kyle a bit too much credit. I wrote about it during the game yesterday but then saw a couple of people give him some decent ratings and thought maybe they saw something I didn't, so I bumped him up a rating.
I was just in a hurry to wrap things up when it came to our subs. VDV was decent when he came on, just unfortunate to be involved in the penalty. I'll run through my ratings and change a couple things. I gave very brief ratings knowing that Magneto or someone would come by and give their detailed opinion of the match
Thornby (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Agreed with all the rating pretty much spot on IMO....

Did think lennon was best player on the pitch with defoe just behind him. VDV did make an impact but for the time he had on the pitch a 6 is fair. I am a big fan of kyle but fair to say he had a shocker 5. 5 is kind!

I thought the early bookings of sandro and livermore had a massive impact on the score, they were having to watch their tackles for the rest of the game which didn't help.
Thornby (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Agreed with all the rating pretty much spot on IMO....

Did think lennon was best player on the pitch with defoe just behind him. VDV did make an impact but for the time he had on the pitch a 6 is fair. I am a big fan of kyle but fair to say he had a shocker 5. 5 is kind!

I thought the early bookings of sandro and livermore had a massive impact on the score, they were having to watch their tackles for the rest of the game which didn't help.
Thornby (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Agreed with all the rating pretty much spot on IMO....

Did think lennon was best player on the pitch with defoe just behind him. VDV did make an impact but for the time he had on the pitch a 6 is fair. I am a big fan of kyle but fair to say he had a shocker 5. 5 is kind!

I thought the early bookings of sandro and livermore had a massive impact on the score, they were having to watch their tackles for the rest of the game which didn't help.
EarnYourSpurs (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Tottenham 1-1 West Brom....
Nobody left rating for the match so I just copied and pasted these from Sky sports to keep some continuity in our ratings....

Friedel: 7
Two superb second-half saves

Walker: 6
Defensively sound, offered little going forward

Gallas: 6
Given a torrid time by Lukaku

Vertonghen: 7
Solid debut, should have scored

Assou-Ekotto: 7
Fine goal, defensively solid

Livermore: 6
Solid and gave good protection to the back four

Sandro: 6
Busy, subbed immediately before opener

Lennon: 6
Got into dangerous positions but poor final ball

Van der Vaart: 7
Pulled the strings for an hour

Bale: 7
Thrilling in first half, faded as he drifted inside

Defoe: 5
Kept quiet and not enough of a threat


Jenas: 6
Barely involved after coming on late

Sigurdsson: 6
Immediately involved in opening goal

Adebayor: 6
Offered more of a physical threat
AndyCT5 (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Sandro had a typically industrious game but lots of his passes (even short, simple ones) came up short. I'd also say whilst Gallas did struggle with Lukaku, he was the one bossing people around and trying to keep people organised at the end. (not that it worked) - a good captain. Otherwise, decent, concise reporting. Keep it up, i'l contribute in future if you're interested
Northstream (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Tottenham - Norwich 1 - 1
Better result than what we managed at home to Norwich last season, though it doesn't hide the fact we played our worst game since AVB took over.
My ratings....

Fridel: 8. 0 Did some excellent saves which could so very easily have ended in the back of the net. He definitely saved our bacon in this game.

Walker: 6. 0 Didn't commit any major mistakes but joined in with most of the team in a poor performance. His undecisiveness still drives me mad.

Gallas: 5. 5 The captain looked too uncertain on several occasions when we needed him to show his experience and lead the way at the back. I'm also not sure what's the point of him going forward on occasions as it usually ends up with him being flagged offside....

Vertonghen: 6. 0 He looked to struggle getting into a rhythm with his new team mates. With the lack of support he had from our holding midfielders he was never allowed to get in and play his game and making moves forward.

Assou-Ekotto: 6. 5 Like back collegue on the opposite side he didn't do any major mistakes but didn't contribute to the standard he normally does.

Sandro: 5. 5 When he plays well he is a fantastic asset in front of our back four. When he isn't on top of his game it just seems so wrong that he is the most untechnical footballer to come out of Brazil. In this game ended up running in between the action and having some poorly timed tackles and passes.

Livermore: 5. 0 One of the worst games he has had in a long time. He looked uncomfortable at most things he did and too often slowed down our build-up. His possession and passing was well below what he can do. Terrible challenge giving away freekick before their goal.

Sigurdsson: 5. 5 We really needed him to take charge of the midfield which he totally failed doing. Whether the positions and roles weren't clear enough I don't know but I have yet not seen why he was a transfer target for us and what exactly he will contribute. I can only assume it will get better.

Bale: 6. 0 It's happening a bit too often that he goes missing in action. This was one of those days. Only rarely did we get a glimpse of what he's capable of. He seemed to suffer greatly from the fact that our midfield was shapeless. When he doesn't contribute more than this it would be better to try someone else in the later part of the game (like Townsend).

Lennon: 7. 0 Looked more lively, more involved and showed confidence in taking on the Norwich defence. If he can stay injury free he should have a great season ahead when the rest of the team starts ticking with him.

Defoe: 6. 5 Looks keen and very fit. He had a very difficult job but still looked dangerous. Didn't quite have the luck to get the ball to fall right for him to strike. I still enjoy seeing him getting playtime and in no doubt that he will keep scoring for us.

Dembele: 7. 0 Straight away showed that he is keen & willing to take charge for us. Assume he'll be a starter next week. Scored a class goal a few minutes into his debut.

Adebayor: 6. 0 Didn't really manage to turn the game though still gave us more attacking options with him on.

Huddlestone: What can one say? Keen to be involved. Harsh red card. Didn't get long enough on the field for a rating.
EarnYourSpurs (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Good ratings North, It's nice to see someone keep these reviews going. It would be awesome if we could get at least one person to leave some ratings for each match; they'll be a great resource to look back on at the end of the season.

If I had to get nit-picky I'd probably drop Defoe and Lennon at least a half point. Definitely wouldn't fault their work rate, they seemed eager and aggressive all match; they were just ineffective in the end. I thought at first it was just me and a couple people on footytube that saw that, but I checked out a few Tottenham blog ratings and found most of us were on the same page....

Other than that everything seems spot on. Let's keep these ratings a-comin'. I wasn't able to watch the entire first half of this game so I didn't even bother giving ratings but I should be able to chime in for the Reading match. Would be nice if some others would contribute to some ratings so we could get some other opinions and form more of an average.
Northstream (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Yeah, I might have been slightly generous towards Lennon and Defoe, probably encouraged by the potential I think they're bursting to deliver...
AndyCT5 (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Agree with most of your analysis, but I thought that throw in by BAE that lead upto the free-kick for their goal was sloppy, played us into trouble. Livermore wanted the ball too much, he'll learn
EarnYourSpurs (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Shnit, double post
[account-removed] 4 years ago
Having stayed away from the reviews so far this season owing to various issues which would have prevented me from being objective on here, I've decided that its high time I've given my input into this again. Cheers for keeping the discussion going so far guys. Brilliant work!

Reading 1 - Tottenham 3

And so we win our first game of the season. It wasn't perfect, but the cogs are all slowly turning well together. The defensive errors per game are slowly on the decline, as are the offensive errors. The midfield is starting to form partnerships with both offense and defence. The new formation is working and its good to see actual tactics in play. With this in mind, I'll start the ratings with AVB.

Avb + Staff - 10 : Take a bow staff. Take a bow. Every game, there is work being done on what we were poor in last game. Defensive set pieces and midfield link up play were poor last game, and the amount of work that's gone in here is easily apparent. Tactics are in play, as if you look at Defoe's second goal, Bale did a beautiful little feint run to the right, pulling a defender away from Defoe. He knew Defoe would shoot, and it had all the signs of being practiced on it. The substitutions were spot on, and at the perfect times as well. The decision to play Gallas, Fridel and Defoe were mostly vindicated, and the "stars" have been politely told to fight for their place. Its subtle, yet clear. AVB's learnt from his time at Chelsea, and that's great to see.

Fridel - 6. 5/10:

Fridel had a tough game. He was picked rightfully over Lloris, who didn't have enough time in practice. However, amidst a couple of smart saves, were a couple of very ordinary anticipation and reaction times. He looks slow at times, and is liable to be caught on the back foot in direct FKs. He part shares the blame for the goal conceded. Not a "bad" performance, but not enough to justify keeping Lloris out of the team next week. Onto cup duty, Brad.

Vertonghen + Gallas: 8. 5/10:

Vertonghen was absolutely everywhere, and Gallas was the leader taking responsibility for making the last ditch clearances. Between them, they got most of the interceptions, clearing headers, last ditch tackles, and even made a couple of very good attacking runs. Vertonghen forced a save at the start, and really did everything he could to make himself known to everyone on the pitch. Gallas barked the orders, and his experience actually shone through for the first time this season. I felt before the game, that Gallas was being given his final chance, but they both justified their presence. Deserved a clean sheet for that performance, and were unlucky to have conceded.

Walker + Naughton : 7/10

Very good friends, and share the same problems and same strengths from the looks of things. Very good while going forward, and suspect in defence, especially Aerial defence from crosses, corners, long balls and throw ins. Both let wingers in behind them and gave away some poor fouls. Walker was lucky not to concede a penalty for that ridiculous hand of god defence, while Naughton was always on the verge of a foul and a yellow. However, they both have been good this game in their attack and forward play. They've made good forward passes. Naughton especially found Bale and Defoe in Benny like passes both upfield and across, while Walker made that good run on the outside to cut back in a ground cross instead of lobbing it harmlessly up like he usually does. Shows he's working on it, and that's good to see. Satisfied with Naughton as our backup in an unfamiliar role, and will only improve from here.

Sandro: 7. 5/10 :

Wasn't his best game, but wasn't a bad game from him either. He's been given a new role of going back as a second CB when Vertonghen charges forward, and also to charge up forward in a marauding run and take a long shot if the situation demands it. He's adapting well to it, and it really does suit him. Played a role in two of the three goals, although his passing and tackling wasn't as clean as it usually is, his off the ball movement justifies the score.

Dembele: 8/10

Linked up really well with Sandro. Had a few misplaced passes, but he's more than slotted into this midfield already. With a 100% tackle accuracy this game, he is forming a brute force midfield partnership, and gave us a lot of physical presence in midfield, and defensive set pieces. Really slick movement with the ball, and intelligent forward runs and shots from distance. The execution wasn't the best, but forced people to mark him tight, as well as maintained high pressing all through the game. Square peg, in a now square hole!

Siggs: 6. 5/10 :

The first half was pretty decent from Sigurdsson, with a spectacular through ball to free Lennon up. His work rate was impressive, but his execution was really poor, especially in the second half. Missed a golden opportunity to score, but kept getting into the right places at the right times, and provided that extra link between the midfield and attack.... Allowing it to flow seamlessly together. Considering it is the first time the three midfielders played together, it was an extremely good effort. A couple of games together, will ensure a long term partnership is formed in an extremely dangerous, fluid and strong midfield.

Bale : 7/10

Might be a bit harsh on Bale, considering he did score, but the finish was absolutely appalling. One of the luckiest strikes of the season! He's still understanding his new role, as he keeps drifting too far right, leaving Naughton alone at times and piling on the pressure on the young LB. However, during most of the game, his off the ball movement in defensive runs was excellent, and when we needed him to be double marked, he dragged himself into a position where he was double marked, giving Defoe more room. It is a promise of what's to come from him, and more than anyone else in this team apart from AVB, he'll get a boost from the win and the goal.

Lennon: 8/10:

Made some exceptional runs today. His first touch let him down on a couple of occasions, where a better touch might have lead to a goal. However, his run to meet Sigurdsson's through ball was phenomenal, as was the cross to find Defoe in such speed. He's slowly gaining in confidence to drift wide again, instead of always cutting in and passing the ball back to Walker. Took on the responsibility that is his, and shone under it.

Defoe: 9/10

I was tempted to rate him 10 for a bit, but his lack of looking up for a better opportunity (that chance for Siggs right behind him comes to mind) cost him a point. However, Defoe, take a bow! Wasteful and Selfish? Yeah, but that was his role. Take the shots on, force people to try and mark him, Bale and Lennon all at once, and become a nuisance in the box. He's done that exceptionally well in his new role of sole striker. When Bale and Defoe were Marked, Lennon found space, and when Bale and Lennon were marked, Defoe found space. This front three combination is starting to click as well. Defoe also had phenomenal first touch today, especially that control from a diagonal long ball from Naughton, which he criminally put wide. Scoring that, it would have been considered for goal of the month at the very least. Made the goals by himself, pushed hard right from the word go, and also dove into well timed tackles to harry defenders into mistakes. Worked twice as well. Should have had a hat trick, could have had a couple of assists, but will settle for being today's Man of the Match.


Huddlestone, Dempsey and Townsend came on, but they really didn't have the time to make an impact. They all looked lively and hungry to get onto the pitch.

In summary, a lot of positives for the squad. The team will surely feed off this and go from strength to strength. Bring on Lazio!
AndyCT5 (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
You've pretty much nailed those scores i'd say Mag, maybe a 6. 5 for Gylfi a little harsh but I suppose he did go a bit missing in the second half. Good stuff
WhiteHartRogue (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Extremely well put Mag, now you take a bow son 👌👍😝
EarnYourSpurs (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Righty-o good chap.completely agree with almost everything. I think Gylfi's rating was spot on. I'd tell you why but I would simply be echoing what Mag wrote above.... Not harsh on Bale at all, and maybe could've even dropped him a point if not for the goal. No point in me giving my take on the match as it would only be a much less descriptive version of what Mag left.

Btw, thanks for the link to that site, Mag. I was very close to venturing into dangerous territory with what could potentially be some very virus-ridden torrents. This probably wasn't the best of games to make a compilation but, whatever, it gives me a good excuse to watch the game again. I'm making an 'every touch' video for Defoe at the moment, and was thinking it would be awesome to make one for our 'man of the match' every game and post them here on our player rating page. Again, much appreciated for the link
EarnYourSpurs (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
AndyCT5 (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
I was talking about doing something similar EYS, I really enjoy 'all-touch' videos and editing in general. Got a place to download both halves of most games, but they took an age to download and were in a bit of a shitty format (. Mkv I believe) and this isn't really compatible with lots of editing software. But if you can find a decent place to get them I'm up for making vids too, I have a degree in media production
AndyCT5 (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Minute by minute review of the Reading victory.

0-5 mins
Spurs Kick off, Spurs playing from are to L
Lots of passing particularly between Sandro, Demb, Gylfi, Walker. Crosses from Lennon, Bale, Naughton. Long range shot from Walker well over. Lennon wins free kick 30 yards out. Bale takes, Gylfi header not powerfull but draws save, rebound falls to Vert who powers it at goal to force save & corner.

5-10 mins
More controlled passing from Vert, Walker, Sandro & Demb. Vert long ball to Bale who nearly got on the end of it.
Reading keep ball for a minute. Vert always wants the ball, plays long to Bale who flicks on to Gilfi. Defoe scuffs, played back into Gylfi who runs it out.

10-15 mins
Reading free kick in deep back post, Walker jumps and sticks arm out, hits his hand, free kick given for a push in the back. Lucky, could easily have been a pen.
Possession again. Shifted to the right, Walker runs at Reading, gives ball to Defoe who shoots tamely wide from 20 yards.
Some hesitation from Vert, who seems to let the ball return to keeper a fair bit.
Controlled passing from Dembele and Gallas in particular

15-20 mins
Bale finds Naughton high up the left flank, who crosses over everyone, Lennon doesn't gamble and doesn't keep it in.
Goal. 0-1 Defoe.
Bale loses ball, won back well by Walker, it goes out left then back right from Dembele to Gylfi who plays lovely incisive pass through to Lennon who cuts it back first time to the on rushing Defoe who strikes across the ball into the far corner past the 2 diving CB's. Niall Quinn claims its a scuff but Hoddle and Roberts disagree.
Dembele loses ball with stray pass, won back and Bale wins free kick. Delivered by Gylfi it goes through everyone into the keeper. From his pass out its given straight to Sandro, whose cross is too strong.
First 20 mins possession: R: 33% T: 67%

20-25 mins
Bale low cross cleared, Sandro shoots low and hard from 30 yards, keeper parries, Lennon nearly gets it following in.
Bale looses ball, Naughton fouls 10 yards from line, diving into a challenge.
Naughton plays nice long ball to Defoe who brings it down excellently, runs past defender but bends ball wide with the outside of his right foot rather than using his left.
Nice passing by Naughton, Dembele, Bale and Gylfi.
Reading shots: 0 Spurs: 8

25-30 mins
Various spells of possession from both teams with no end product. Reasonable play but loose passes give it away each time, Dembele an Gylfi both.

30-35 mins
Defoe chases the keeper whose loose touch means defoe can nick it off him, he retrieves and passes to Gylfi whose shot is blocked well on the line. Feel Defoe could have given him the ball earlier as it would have been a tap in, but the delay allowed 2 defenders to get in the way.

35-40 mins
High pressure from Defoe and Lennon win the ball back and its 2 on 2 but on trying to beat the defender Lennon runs it out for a goal kick. Impressive hurdle over the advertising, mind.
Game slows down a bit. Pogrebnyak dangerous run great slide challenge from Gallas but he gets it back and drives into the box. Good cross in headed clear by Gallas and then Reading shoot high and wide.

40-45+2 mins
Nice passing from Walker and Dembele, who runs it forward a long way and passes between he and Gylfi sets up chance for Defoe who again shoots wide from 20+ yards.
Dembele passes the ball out of play under no pressure at all, which leads to a little flourish and the corner is headed clear by Vert well. Sandro lumps a lovely ball up to Lennon whose 1-2 with Defoe is cut out, high pressure leads to a long range Dembele effort deflected for a corner, which produces no effort on goal. Controlled passing sees the half finish with a dragged shot wide from Gylfi.

2nd Half
45-50 mins
Reading Kick off, Spurs playing from L to are. Reading sub a midfielder for a striker and are effectively playing 442. Spurs still playing effectively a 433.
Reading seem to be playing more directly. Vert runs forward well with the ball again. Lennon has a good run but the 1-2 with Gylfi doesn't work.
Nice counter attack from a Defoe click, good work from Gylfi to free Lennon, who runs on with it but his ball to Defoe is cut out. He gets the ball back, Bale free at the back post wanted it much earlier but Lennon runs outside the defender and tries to clip it in but it goes for a corner.

50-55 mins
Gylfi corner is too deep, Reading counter is taken care of well by Dembele and we hold possesion high up the pitch well for a few minutes.
More Dembele strength and running produces a cross-shot from him and Defoe clips it wide from close range. A little bit of indecision there from Dembele as he waited for Gylfi to overlap him. Their relationship is still in its infancy but looks like it could be very promising.

55-60 mins
Counter attack from Sandro and Bale produces a powerful drive wide from Bale.
Walker, Defoe and Lennon combine well to produce a cross that is nearly an own goal. Short corner to Lennon could have set up Gylfi but the chance is blocked.

60-65 mins
Pressure from Reading results in 3 corners. Vertongen and Walker clear the first 2 with good headers. Another reading cross is caught low by Brad. This is a bit like how we play in the last ten minutes usually.

65-70 mins
Bale stretches his legs down the left and plays it into Defoe who hacks it well wide with his left foot. Gylfi on the edge of the box begging for the ball would have had a much better chance of converting.
Sandro strong arms Guthrie in the face, no foul given. Gallas an excellently timed slide in the box.
68 mins, AVB starts to give Huddlestone his instructions.

70-75 mins
Goal 0-2 Bale. Sandro brings the ball out, gives to bale, then possesion high up, Bale gives it right to Lennon who shifts it to Walker, he drives past 2 defenders too easily and cuts back nicely for Bale who kicks it with his right foot onto his left and it loops over the goalkeeper and into the left corner.
Before kick off Gylfi is substituted for THudd.
Lennon instantly wins the ball off a defender and passes to Hudd, who is encouraged to shoot tamely at the keeper with his left from 25 yards.
Goal 0-3 Defoe 73mins. Long throw from Walker flicked on by Dembele to Defoe who battles well with the defender on the half way line, turns and accelerates towards goal at pace. Bale takes a defender with him and Defoe shows good strength to hold off the defender and finishes well with his left foot.

75-80 mins
AVB starts talking to 'Clinton' Dempsey and then comes on after 77 mins for Bale.
Huddlestone, Sandro and Dembele control possession well as the pace slows and we look to control and contain.

80-85 mins
Vertonghen is a very classy player, very comfortable on the ball and intelligent, our best defender by far. I fancy him as a captain of the future.
Slow, easy passing by Huddlestone, Dempsey and Dembele keeps the ball at bay from Reading. One glorious arrowed ball to the flank from Hoddlestone, such a beautiful sight.

85-90+ mins
Usual case of being a bit lapse in the last 5-10 mins, a few crosses and corners from Reading. Gallas clears off the line.
86 mins Townsend on for Lennon.
Dempsey and Townsend combine for Andros to cross from the right into Defoe who volleys over on the half turn from 8 yards.
Goal 1-3 Robson-Kanu 89 mins. Le Fondre chips to the far post for Robson-Kanu to stretch well and tuck it in. Walker didn't pick him up til too late, maybe a bit lazy for once. I don't think he would have been caught out if it was 1-0 or a draw.
3 mins of extra time bring mainly Reading possesion. A yellow card for Defoe for a push and a soft penalty shout after a collision involving Gallas calls time on Spurs first win of the season, only our 2nd away league win in 2012.

Sky Sports gave the match stats at:
(R-T) Score 1-3, Shots 4-20, On target 2-9, Corners 7-4, Offside 1-1, Fouls 5-10, Booked 0-1, Possession 40%-60%.
Other stats they gave - Defoe: 9 shots, 2 on target.

Overall it was a good performance against a poor side who hadn't played for 25 days, which must have been tough on them. This formation works very well against poor sides. How that middle 3 will fare defensively against the top sides we shall have to wait and see, but I was very pleased and entertained by this game
WhiteHartRogue (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Here will be my ratings for the Reading game, ill stick to full points and no half points;

Friedel : 6

I think he didn't really have much to do in the game and when he was called into action at the end he stayed rooted to the spot and didn't put enough pressure on the fella running in to force him into an error.

Walker : 7

He played some nice football, good passing play and some really good runs, he made a few incisive tackles and linked well with Lennon once again, I would have given him an 8 but he lost his man for the goal.

Gallas : 7

He played pretty well and read the game pretty faultlessly, he's still has the ability to do that but is losing his pace a bit, he made a really good tackle that could easily have been a penalty or lead to a goal.

Vertonghen : 8

This guy has settled into his position really well and bossed the defence, he had a great eye for a run and pass and didn't really put a foot wrong for me. The way he's looking I think he could become a future captain and having 4 of our back 5 French speaking its only gonna' get better. Best buy so far.

Naughton : 6

I know its hard ro step into new territory but I think it took him until the second half to settle in his position and gave away a few free kicks that coukd have resulted in goals against a better team. Had a food 2nd half and ade a few good runs though.

Sandro & Dembele : 8's

These 2 struck up a instant partnership and the reason I put the both together is because they interchanged their positions depending on who was further forward or back. Dembele is going to be a massive player for us this season and is already showing why we paid the cash for him, a rock in the challenge and glides past players when he goes on a run. Sandro was immense too and forces players into passes when they see that crazy bastard running for them, he couldmprobably work on his passing but other than that he had a great game.

Bale : 5

I think its one of the worse games i've seen him play, he was almost non existent and just mauraded off into position where he's really not needed, his passing was off, didn't run through players like we want him to, he's had a pretty tragic start to the season and needs to buck himself up. He did score a goal but that was a scuffed shot, he got into the position but I wouldnt rate him higher for that, arm he's looking like a shadow of hos former self and this game was no different.

Lennon : 8

He was like the Lennon of old we all love, taking people on down the byline but also using his head and making some great runs in behind, one of which resulted in the 1st goal. I love his passion for the team and doesn't stop running, and now he even tracks back and helps the defenders.

Sigurdsson : 6

I think he made a good pass leading up to the first goal but other than that was a bit suspect and didn't enforce the passing moves we need from a guy in that position, his depuvery from corners was a bit below par and didn't do anything that i'd warrant as amazing. He needs to come into form or I think he might lose his place in the team soon.

Defoe : 9

If he wasnt so wasteful and greedy I would have given him a 10, but because of that I have to mark him down. We all love rhis guy and could easily of had a double hat trick, he made incisive rund, his touch was well on point and he didn't stop running for the cause, we all know he's a confidence player and when he's enjoying himself he can be a massive handful and can scare any sefence. Lets hope this purple patch lasts for a while to come and he keeps bangin em in.


Townsend : 7. He didn't get kuch time to do kuch but he put a lovely ball in at the end and could have had an assist.

Dempsey : 7. Again he didn't have a lot of time, but looked fresh and sharp, can't wait to see kore of him and hopefully a few home debut goals on Thursday.

Hudds : 7. For when he was on he gave his all and looked ready for the fight for a olace in the team, we know he loves the team and will get games. Made a really special pass aswell.

Overall rating for the game: 8. We are prbably within our right to play this well against probably the weakest team of them that came up, but when under the pressure we were to win this game I think we coped with it well and got the result needed, now to keep it up abd find sone formis the hard part
EarnYourSpurs (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Good stuff, Rogue. It's nice to see more than one person give some ratings. Maybe a little bit too harsh on Bale, though. He was quiet for most the game but did score the goal that sealed our first victory of the PL season. Also like mag said, his off the ball movement was decent all game, especially for the 3rd goal. I think a '6' would suit him well
Thornby (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Ratings are fair, deffs not gonna' argue with anything you have said but didn't you feel bales defencive display was one of his best? And he did score
Thornby (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Ratings are fair, deffs not gonna' argue with anything you have said but didn't you feel bales defencive display was one of his best? And he did score
Thornby (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Ratings are fair, deffs not gonna' argue with anything you have said but didn't you feel bales defencive display was one of his best? And he did score
Thornby (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Ratings are fair, deffs not gonna' argue with anything you have said but didn't you feel bales defencive display was one of his best? And he did score
Thornby (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Apolagies for the 4 comments stupid laptop
Northstream (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Think I disagree a little bit with all of you.... (btw, please try to keep each game in one thread - it makes it easier to follow....)

My ratings:

Friedel - 6 Not much to do but often lacks presence.
Walker - 6. 5 Fairly good game but not much of a threat coming his way. At fault on goal.
Gallas - 7 Taking on the leadership role and shows his vast experience.
Vertonghen 7. 5 Solid all the way but didn't show his entire register going forward.
Naughton - 6. 5 Good game but struggled badly with McCleary.
Sandro - 7 Did a lot of hard work for us, without being outstanding.
Dembele - 7. 5 Excellent movement and took charge for us in midfield.
Gylfi - 6. 5 Some excellent work, some less good. Great throughball to Lennon but should also have scored himself.
Lennon - 7 Keeps showing up in glimpses but has potential to totally dominate.
Bale - 6. 5 Ok game but we haven't seen him at his best for quite a while now.
Defoe - 8 A constant threat, kept being involved and scored two excellent goals.

Hudds - 6 Did an ok job without standing out one way or the other.
Dempsey - 6 Looked ok, but not much time to impose himself.
Townsend - 6. 5 Looks full of confidence and eager to contribute. Needs more gametime
WhiteHartRogue (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
We are pretty much in agreement then, I think I was a bit harsh on Bale there, maybe he deserved a 6 down to his goal, but the thing is I rate on what the player is capable of, and Bale played on a 5, 6 of what he's capable of
AndyCT5 (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Fair point rogue about playing within himself, I agree. I guess he had just played 2 full games for wales, and got lumped 6-1 too. When he walked on the pitch at the final whistle he looked stiff as a board and hobbling, so maybe that's why he was below his standard.

My scores would be exactly the same as yours Northstream, apart from i'd bump Sandro up a bit and Walker would get a 7 as he was involved in a lot of possession play, passing, assisting the attack and got an assist. He was at fault for the goal and could have given away a penalty, but I feel he just switched off a bit for the goal as we were 3-0 up. I wouldn't expect him to be as lapse if the game was tight.

So my scores are:
Friedel - 6 - Only had 4 shots to save
Walker - 7 - See above comment about him
Gallas - 7 - Some important challenges, always talking, important presence on pitch.
Vertonghen 7. 5 - Always wanted the ball, classy in possession. A little hesitant.
Naughton - 6. 5 - Good debut out of position, a few lunges and a little shaky, but passed well.
Sandro - 7. 5 - Dropped deep between the defenders to recieve the ball, worked hard, good runs.
Dembele - 7. 5 - Great strength and running, some loose balls but an imposing figure for sure.
Gylfi - 6. 5 - Good passing interplay in midfield, all still learning. Great pass to Lennon for goal, and most offensive passer in the team. Went a bit missing in second half.
Lennon - 7 - Good game & assist, could have had more. Passed well, needs to step up now.
Bale - 6. 5 - Looked puffed out from Internationals, but scored and made some good runs, gave ball away a fair bit too. Like Rogue said, played within himself.
Defoe - 8 - 9 shots in total, only the 2 goals on target, but great ones they were. Should have had more, and his head down cost us a few more goals. But a constant threat and the goals make him MOTM. Pleased for him, he's a great lad
Thornby (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Better late than never spurs v reading

Friedel- 6 his reliable self, didn't have much to do

Walker- 7. 5 I feel he is improving massively with every game, his dribbling and crosses were alot better, and defended very well

Gallas-5. 5 solid to an extent but feel he relies massively on Vertonghen. Don't know if its just me but I don't feel he gets involved that much defencively. Think we would struggle against the big sides with gallas playing like that.

Vertonghen- 7. 5 My favorite signing so far, great at defending great ball control, another great game and looked class in the back

Naughton- 4. 5 Watching Naughton made me realise how much we need BAE (never thought I would say that either). He gave away stupid free kicks and looked out of position, thanks to Bale we survived on the left.

Lennon- 6. 5 didn't think he had a great game compared to his standards, He was able to get to the biline multiple times but to memory I think he did one good cross that was an assist. But other than the assist he didn't do anything special.

Sandro- 7 DId the Donkey work well, won the ball back alot and was able to start attacks from that, don't remember him doing anything wrong, and passing was almost perfect.

Dembele- 6 Understandably it was his first start for spurs so wasnt expecting miracles like we got last game from him but didn't make a big impact, remember him giving ball away a few times but in fairness to him he did win it back alot, and shown some small signs of what he is capable of with some runs.

Bale- 8 Everytime he got the ball he looked deadly, defencive effort was outstanding today was up and down the pitch all game.

Siggs- 6 set pieces were pretty decent, and was surprised he didn't score, perhaps if defoe passed a bit more he couldve. Still not near the standards of VDV but I am confident he will get there.

Defoe- 8. 5 MOM for me, Scoring two good goals, his prolific self that us tottenham fans have become acustomed to. He is in the team to score and he is doing just that. Ade shouldnt get a look in with the way defoe has been playing. He even passed it alot more which was also good. But I remember a chance well when defoe was in a difficult position with siggs near him and if defoe passed siggs wouldve had a clear shot. Only criticism all game. Well Done Defoe

Thudds- didn't do anything wrong, passing was good and defended well but wasnt on long enough for a rating

Dempsey- Came on and looked very sharp, I feel he shoud be a first team player, And is adaptable and could play anywhere in midfield.

Townsend- Wasnt on for very long and still was able to make an impact. His potential is massive!
WhiteHartRogue (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
I don't see how youve rated Bale as one of the highest on there, some of them are a bit harsh, but that's what opinions are for, some tood points brought up
EarnYourSpurs (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Gallas showed his leadership in this game and although he was pretty quiet in defence, he didn't put a foot wrong all match. He and Vertonghen were solid. Naughton gave away two needless fouls in a dangerous position but other than that, he had a pretty good game. I think Walker made less mistakes than Naughton but had less to do throughout the match. Mag's summary of the two is pretty good.

Sandro was solid. One thing I don't think too many people noticed is the amount of aerial challenges Sandro won. He must have been something like 7 for 8 in aerial challenges, and most were against Pogrebnyak. He made a lot of great tackles/interceptions, as usually, and a few spot on cross field balls. Good game for him. Dembele also had a good game, but made a couple silly mistakes. I think in given time, those two will form one hell of a partnership.

And that brings me to the third part of our midfield. Gylfie. I didn't notice until the second time I watched the match that he really didn't have the best of days. Loose passing, dribbling into cul-de-sac's, making poor decisions. He definitely needs some more time to gel and will have tough competition with Dempsey for a spot in the first team. Like thornby said, I think he still has a way to go until he reaches VDV standards.

I actually made two compilations on this game, one with Defoe's every touch, and another of our midfield duo; Sandro and Dembele. They came out pretty good, I just can't find a way around the PL copyright infringement on youtube. If anybody knows a way around this, or another site to post them on, it would be appreciated
WhiteHartRogue (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Yeah, i'd like to see them EYS, see if you can manage it and tell us the limk, cheers
EarnYourSpurs (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Well, I couldn't get the video's on youtube because of copyright infringement, but managed to find an alternative site. I made an almost 'every touch' video for Defoe's MOTM performance (I think I left out maybe 1 or 2 back passes) and a Sandro, Dembele & Thudds video (again I skipped a couple small touches and back passes). Unfortunately the midfield video went a little over 10 mins so about a minute or so is cut off at the end, but you won't miss much.

Sandro & Dembele and Hudds when he came on:


Defoe's 'every touch':


Here's the last couple minutes of the midfield video...

AndyCT5 (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
EYS, did you see my previous comment about your videos up there somewhere? ^^^
Regarding video & editing format etc? I'd love to know how you edited this as I could only find shitty. Mkv videos to download, which aren't compatible on a lot of editing software.
Its strange you can't get them on youtube, considering how many thousands of videos just like this that are already on there. How didn't it let you? Did you try and upload it and it said it wasn't allowed?
Maybe it has something to do with the audio, as it has commentary rather than music. Just an idea
EarnYourSpurs (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
For sure man. I couldn't figure out how to message you so I just responded on your wall
Northstream (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Tottenham - QPR
My ratings, without explanation....

Friedel - 7
Walker - 6
Gallas - 6. 5
Vertonghen - 9
Sandro - 6. 5
Dembele - 6. 5
Lennon - 7
Sigurdsson - 5
Bale - 6. 5
Dempsey - 6
Defoe - 6. 5

Caulker - 7
Huddlestone & Townsend limited time.
EarnYourSpurs (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
_______________Tottenham 2-1 qpr________________

Friedel: 7. 5 - Made a few crucial saves. But just doesn't come off his line, does he?

Walker: 6 - Physically great, mentally poor. Struggles when defending crosses to far post.

Gallas: 6. 5 - Showing his age.... But made a few veteran decisions. What I'm trying to say is, he's old.

Vertonghen: 8. 5 - Amazing. Played great at CB and even better at LB. Confident on and off the ball. Played a big part in our second goal and made an amazing last ditch tackle on Hoilett that surely would have led to a goal. Easily our best defender at the moment....

Bale: 7 - Played LB in first half.... Never again. Moved to LM in the second and was partly responsible for us turning the game around. Made his familiar direct runs. Put the ball off the crossbar that led to our second goal. Also, a couple spot on cross field balls to Lennon.

Lennon: 6. 5 - Needs a huge boost of confidence. Hat trick vs Man Utd. That would do it.... Good outlet for our defenders and put in a good effort, but led to nothing.

Dembele: 6. 5 - Very strong on and off the ball. Pressured most the game. Needed to be quicker in his decision making.

Sandro: 7 - Fantastic in retrieving possession, not the best when in possession.

Dempsey: 6 - Ineffective for the most part. Anxious to score his first Spurs goal.

Sigurdsson: 5. 5 - Not quite settled yet. Chased the ball, to little effect.

Defoe: 6. 5 - Contributed nothing up until the goal. Great when it comes to scoring goals, not so much at helping play on. I still prefer Adebayor when fit.


Caulker: 7 - at the moment.... Caulker > Gallas. Strong in defence and was a nuisance to QPR on corners. Looks very comfortable in our defence.

Hudds: 5 - On for just enough time to sure things up.

Townsend: 5 - nothing....
Northstream (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
That's probably the most accurate description I've seen of Kyle Walker;  Physically great, mentally poor...
EarnYourSpurs (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
First win at Old Trafford since 1989 in what was one of the most exciting games I've seen in a while.... Dominant in the first half, and superb defending in the second.

_______________________ Man Utd 2-3 Tottenham _____________________________

Friedel: 7. 0 - Did well to weather the second half storm. Nothing spectacular, but didn't slip up once. Can't remember the last time he had a howler. Distribution throughout the game was horrible.

Walker: 6. 5 - If not for a couple crucial mistakes he would have had a pretty good game. Kept Kagawa and Giggs relatively quiet in the early stages. He seemed much more comfortable in the first half when we were on the attack, always provided an option on the right, but not so much in the second when his defensive prowess and positioning were brought into question....

Gallas: 7. 0 - Once again showed his experience. He and Caulker did a good job of keeping United's forwards quiet throughout.

Caulker: 7. 5 - Fantastic. Won so many crucial aerial challenges, I lost count. He probably deserved an 'every touch' video....

Vertonghen: 8. 5 - Man of the match. Yet another very classy display from the Belgian. Did well at containing Nani, which is no easy task. Nani was 1 for 15 on crosses.... Surging run from the half line for the goal, fortunate deflection put it in the back of the net, but can't discredit the run. Always looked to get forward and was quick to get back to make a few key tackles and interceptions.

Lennon: 6. 5 - Troubled Evra in the first half. Faded in the second. Wasn't too bad when it came to tracking back, but did leave Walker stranded on a couple occasion. Used the ball well when in possession but wasn't in possession too often.

Dempsey: 7. 0 - Looked very comfortable on the ball and made a few intelligent runs. Right place at the right time for the 'game winning' goal. Was fortunate not to give away a goal in the early stages of the game with a poor headed clearance.

Sandro&Dembele: 8. 0 - Solid. Once again. Sandro won the ball back, Dembele drove the ball forward. Typical great display from the gruesome twosome. I'm about to make a very bold statement.... Dembele > Modric. Biased? Probably. They play a different role in midfield so it's probably not fair to compare the two, but for the money we got in the deal I'm more than happy with the business AVB&Levy done in the transfer market. Moutinho and a striker in January please.

Bale: 7. 5 - Terrorized United's defence. Great driving run from the halfway line for the goal, completely embarrassed Ferdinand for pace to put us 2 up. Provided good cover for Vertonghen when he got forward. So far, best game of the 12/13 season for him.

Defoe: 7. 0 - His off the ball movement was great all day and played a big part in Bale's goal. Had a couple moments where his hold-up play was effective. One shot all game.... We need Adebayor back ASAP to give Defoe a break and provide some good competition. The starting striker position is no longer Adebayor's, but his to win back.


Sigurdsson: 6 - brought on to retain possession. Did okay....

Hudds: 6 - Did well to help us hold onto the victory.

Dawson: 6 - brought on in the last couple minutes for Defoe to solidify the defence.
EarnYourSpurs (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Northstream (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Agree with your ratings, only change I would do is increase 0. 5 point to three players:
Gallas definitely a 7. 5, he was not below Caulker, he played a huge role.
Lennon should have a 7. 0, he definitely helped stretching the Utd defence & midfield.
Defoe I would give 7. 5, for an incredible work rate, clever runs and creating our third goal
Lioto (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Tottenham 3 - Manchester United 2
Ratings without explanations (excluding subs as I don't like to judge them for so little periods of time)

Friedel - 7
Walker - 6. 5
Gallas - 6
Caulker - 7
Vertonghen - 8. 5
Lennon - 7. 5
Sandro - 9
Dembele - 7. 5
Dempsey - 7
Bale - 7. 5
Defoe - 8. 5
Northstream (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Gallas as our worst player? I thought he was at least as good as Caulker and considerably better than Walker. No less than 7. 5 to Gallas in my most humble opinion
Lioto (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Fair enough, that's not how I saw it. It seemed like he was caught out of position a few times. After all it was the man he was supposed to be marking that scored for each of united's goals.
Nani got ahead of him on their first to score a pretty simple tap in that coulda been simply defended, and Gallas stepped up out of position for the second goal (he was about 5 yards ahead of the rest of the back 4) and Kagawa just sat in the position where Gallas should have been and finished past Friedel.
And I did watch the whole game not the highlights in case you're wondering, it's just his mistakes allowed them their opportunities to score and whilst I appreciate his defending at other times was adequate, it's a little redundant if you make mistakes at other times
Northstream (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Double post - see below
Northstream (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Regarding the 2nd goal the blame got to be on Walker. He's the one who played Kagawa onside. If he doesn't want to follow the rest of the defensive line but hang further back with Kagawa, then he also has to deal with him, otherwise his positioning is pointless
Lioto (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Kagawa could have dropped back a yard and still scored, the fact that walker's a yard behind caulker is slightly irrelevant as kagawa most likely would have just positioned himself a yard back and still score.
The positions for the goal was as such:

I agree walker could have been with doing a yard further upfield but that was irrelevant in regards to the goal as kagawa was in between the right back and the left centre back. In other words he was in gallas' position. Where gallas should have been (in line with the other defenders, or at the very least in line with Caulker.
Defending is all about positions, and covering dangerous areas, and Gallas is caught completely out of position causing his other defenders to have to scramble to cover for him (leading it to appear as if they are to blame simply because they're getting near to the players Gallas should be covering
Northstream (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
I've just had a good look at this, (I keep all the games recorded on my Sky TV box), and I don't agree that Gallas was to blame here.
- United start their build-up on their right hand side of the midfield. Our high defence line is meeting United only a few metres further back.
- At 52:52 the ball is played to Van Persie in the middle, who is starting to move over to his left. At that moment he is Gallas' man. At that moment Walker and Kagawa start running, almost arm-in-arm towards our box 10-12 metres away. Further over Caulker also starts heading back to the box, while Gallas rightly is waiting for Van Persie.
- At 52:54 Van Persie keeps running further over to his left, partly because he otherwise would run straight up to Gallas. At that moment Kagawa splits from Walker and runs behind Gallas. He is then still supposed to be Walker's man.
- At 52:55 - 52:56 Van Persie stops, turns the player who's tracking him and is aiming to come up straight through the middle. Gallas who had started tracking back towards the box suddenly has to move forward again to cut off Van Persie's options. Unfortunately Walker had totally left Kagawa behind and has instead started moving further out to the side. Caulker can see all this but he chooses not to move closer to Kagawa. Maybe because he wants to trap him off-side.
- 52:57 Walker realises that Kagawa is free and tries to chase back but it's too late, Van Persie's ball is already on it's way through. A second later the ball is at Kagawa's feet and at 53:00 the ball is in the back of the net.
I don't think Gallas could have done much differently during the time the ball was at Van Persie's feet, while Caulker probably could have and Walker certainly should have
AndyCT5 (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
I'm very surprised with the ratings and comments I've seen about the Man UTD game. In the Spurs chat lots of people giving MOTM to Defoe.... :/ I know he's a popular guy on this forum but that's crazy talk IMO.
I'm also shocked at the Gallas scores being lower than Caulker (Maybe some youth/home grown bias there) - I thought without Gallas at the back we wouldn't have won. He is in great form and a good, VERY experienced player. He was top 5 for us in this game no doubt. (Collymore gave him MOTM)
Also Bale surely has to be MOTM, a midfielder scores and assists the other 2 goals, that's MOTM all day long.
I'l give quick ratings as there aren't many on here
-------Man UTD vs Spurs (Can't be bothered with half points)------
Friedel - 7
Walker - 6 - worst game in a while. Good 1st half.
Gallas - 8 - body on the line, important presence again. Very underrated in these parts.
Caulker - 7 - coming along nicely. Shite offensive headers from corners lol.
Vertonghen - 8 - gotta' keep reminding myself he's actually a CB.
Lennon - 6 - Quiet game
Sandro - 8 - Great tackles and runs. Control and passing still a bit off.
Dembele - 8 - ran the game 1st half. Ran his socks off.
Dempsey - 7
Bale - 9 - A goal and 2 assists. MOTM comfortably.
Defoe - 7 - Some good runs and did well for Dempsey goal. Still needs to hold up better. Infuriating how he still ran for goal when we were holding on. If Ade was on in 2nd half would have been much easier to hold onto the game
Thornby (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
I didn't feel Caulker was as good as Gallas and to be honest for the 2 goals they were no where to be seen. Walker was at fault more so for the 2nd though. I thought despite defoe not scoring this was one of his most influential games. The pass to Bale for Dempseys goal was perfect. Very happy with defoes performance.

Standouts were Bale, Vertonghen, Sandro, Defoe and Friedel
Thornby (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
I didn't feel Caulker was as good as Gallas and to be honest for the 2 goals they were no where to be seen. Walker was at fault more so for the 2nd though. I thought despite defoe not scoring this was one of his most influential games. The pass to Bale for Dempseys goal was perfect. Very happy with defoes performance.

Standouts were Bale, Vertonghen, Sandro, Defoe and Friedel
Northstream (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Tottenham - Aston Villa 2-0

Lloris: 7. 5 - Solid first game in the EPL. So alert coming off his line to resolve situations before they develop that at times playing like a keeper sweeper (good description, whoever made it).

Walker: 7. 0 - One of his better recent games, strong physical presence and has got the games and experience to fit in with the team when we're playing well.

Gallas: 7. 5 - Again runs the show from the back with his wealth of experience, has been pretty reliable for us so far this season.

Caulker: 8. 0 - Great athlete with a good understanding of the game. Solid performance and possibly our man of the match.

Vertonghen: 7. 5 - So much ability and very composed whether defending or going forward.

Sandro: 7. 0 - Huge work rate, always involved with a huge contribution. Some of his passes and desicions a bit off but still more than acceptable performance, in particular in the later part of the game.

Dembele: 8. 0 - Great physique, great ball skills and football brain. Our main man in most things happening on the pitch. We might have lost Modric but Dembele is a consistent performer for us and in this match a strong contender with Caulker for man of the match.

Lennon: 7. 5 - Another solid performance from Lennon with a superb goal. He is also growing into a leader for us on the pitch.

Dempsey: 6. 0 - He wants a lot but doesn't succeed for us yet. His passes and contribution in build-ups are miles away from what we've been spoilt with by Van der Vaart in the past couple of seasons. He probably should have scored today as well when the ball came through perfectly for the diving header he attempted. We know he has lots of potential but still not on fire for us.

Bale: 7. 0 - The thing with Bale is that we always expect the sublime from him. He contributed and was involved as he usually is but without any real moment of brilliance. Btw, I don't really think it was much of a dive he did when the Villa goalkeeper came out. It seemed more like a matter of self-preservation as he was expecting the goalie to smash into him, which potentially could have been nasty. He also got straight back up again.

Defoe: 6. 5 - The birthday boy (30 yrs old) was a bit in between Dempsey and Bale here. Also involved in a lot and badly wanted to contribute but he was struggling to stay on target. Great thing is that the crowd and his co-players always anticipating for him to score. Still in good form and plenty more goals to come from him.


Adebayor: 6. 5 - Looked like he loved being back again and didn't show that he's been out for weeks. Huge boost for us having him in the team again.

Sigurdsson: 6. 0 - Trying hard to be involved but not enough time for him to settle into the game.

Townsend: 5. 5 - So very eager to put his mark on the game but struggled to find the rhytm.

FayJay (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Great analysis!

But I disagree on just one point of yours. As much as I love Bale and detest diving in the world of football, Bale's dive was a bit ridiculous. There really isn't an excuse for it, yes partly it's a dive for self-preservation, but that isn't really the way it should be done nor was it the basis of his dive.

He saw the goalkeeper coming and anticipated a kick or some collision so he threw himself over; that's it really.

He really needs to cut this out as he is very rapidly creating a bad rapport with Referees who will soon deny him of legitimate calls because he dives too much. We definitely do not need a "Suarez" on our team
Northstream (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
He's definitely always had a tendency towards going down, no doubt about it. That was also one of the things which Harry tried to pick off him. I just thought that incident with the Villa goalkeeper is difficult to judge, as in the heat of the moment anticipating being wiped out could have scared him. The Villa goalkeeper withdrew in the last moment, many other keepers and outfield players wouldn't have. So I chose to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. If some self-preservation would stop him from being out injured for 3-4 months then ok with me. The interesting thing is that the ref obviously didn't see it as a blatant dive either. Guess only Bale knows what was going through his mind there
EarnYourSpurs (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
Good ratings hombre. Agree with pretty much everything.... And, yeah, someone needs to inform Bale that his diving is getting fecking pathetic. There's no way you can defend this last dive. If he was just avoiding Guzan he could have simply jumped, instead of slacking his legs and going to ground
Thornby (Tottenham Hotspur) 4 years ago
I agree with Northstream, Obvs there was no contact lol but he did get straight back up and got on with it. For a good example of a dive watch Suarez Last weekend!

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