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Where Would Football In Your Country Be...?
Oh2bagunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
footytube obviously has a lot of fans.... Europe, asia. Africa. North america.... Name it and you have it here.... So Football in my country isn't really good And I am pretty sure I am not the only one from a country that was under colonial rule or under foriegn leadership and gained independence from it.... Many of you might be from countries that disintegrated from previous world superpowers Etc Russia....

So my Question is What would Football in your country be like If That "vital" change didn't happen. Would it have been better? Would the conditions have been worse....

And you don't necessarily need to talk about your own country.... It can be about your adopted nation.... Or maybe even about something that you find intresting....

I have always found the balkans topic intresting.... Imagine the likes of vidic and nedved playing in the same team....


OK so ill start off....

MY country is India.... We are Not THAT good at sports of any kind.... But we are now emerging as a powerhouse in Cricket and have always had a good reputation in Hockey during earlier times....
India was under British rule till 1947.... Honestly if the British had stayed Football would definitely have been more popular here.... The clubs here are not that well Known but, it would have definitely not been so if the British had stayed.... They Enhanced the level of sports to a good extent while they were here, and introduced Cricket to us.... Which virtually runs in every indian's blood....
Feel free to disagree to my POV and I would love to hear your thoughts.
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
"Imagine the likes of vidic and nedved playing in the same team.... " FAIL
Jeroen (Barcelona) 3 years ago
Well, if a time warp was possible, Vidic and Nedved could play in the same team. I don't get how that is such a fail - Vidic is Serbian, Nedved Czech
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Well we are talking about the national team here, so as it was explained below, Czech and Serbia were never a part of the same country. Ex-Yugoslavia= Bosnia, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia (Kosovo), Slovenia. Czechoslovakia = Czech Rep+Slovakia
Jeroen (Barcelona) 3 years ago
Oh, right, I thought Yugoslavia included Serbia, or at least the old Hapsburg empire (the Austrian-Hungarian empire) did, but neither do! That explains why so many Serbians and everything south of there are Muslim, with the Ottomans occupying those lands before
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Hahaha wrong again mate! Read my post once again, carefully this time. I know these things can give headaches....
BTW Serbs are not Muslims, they're orthodox Christians. Although, there are some parts in the south of the country where Muslims are a majority, especially Kosovo (now an independent country. But you are right about Ottomans occupying them, they were under Ottomans for a while, Bosnia is ~50% Muslim for the same reason.

If you can explain to me how to post a picture, I can do the map thing like you with Belgium and the dragons just off to the north hehe
Prejsu (KKS Lech Poznan) 3 years ago
Ignorance can be such a bitch sometimes.... Luckily Markodon explained it all to You now. I don't really understand it when people make these sort of mistakes, I mean it's practically basic geographical/geopolitical knowledge about the modern world. You don't really need to know that orthodox Christianity is the predominant religion in Serbia, but not being able to tell Czechoslovakia and Jugoslavia apart deserves nothing less than utter contempt...
Oh2bagunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Oops sorry guys.... We don't get Much education on European history here.... WE learn history only for Four grades at school And the stuff we learned was all about France And India.... The Balkans topic was cancelled and we were forced to learn nationalism in China....
I will make sure I research a bit before I post something That I see provokes people.
Sorry again
Prejsu (KKS Lech Poznan) 3 years ago
Maybe I have overreacted a bit. Sorry
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Haha Prejsu, believe me, I used to get annoyed when people made these mistakes, but I've learnt to tolerate it now. You can't expect people to know everything, although you're right that the minimum should be telling apart Yugoslavia from Czechoslovakia. But since they don't exist anymore, people seem to be puzzled about which country belonged where.

Oh2bagunner, no worries man, Balkan history is probably the last thing they teach in schools around the world, even though it's really interesting
Jeroen (Barcelona) 3 years ago
Edit: Prejsu and myself had an argument about Yugoslavia and it turns out we were both right and wrong. We solved it in a mature way the likes the internet has never seen
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
That's the spirits lads! (I hope "the mature way the internet has never seen before" didn't involve anything too weird )
Prejsu (KKS Lech Poznan) 3 years ago
No it was nothing weird, simply a bilateral agreement truly befitting of two grown up, well behaved men such as Jeroen and my humble self
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Oh2bag is Indian, he lives on the other side of the world, we can't expect him to know about European history and political and ethnical and /or religious wars lol. I certainly don't know know about why Pakistan India and Bangladesh split. I know Islam has a role in it, but thats' about it
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
A brief lesson would be cool Oh2bag
Oh2bagunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Yeah That's about it.... But I'll just give a short summary for you....

Well.... Present day India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (along with Other small neighbouring nations) Formed the british east indian empire.... After Gaining independence in 1947 The Major Islamic Group In India demanded for a free nation for themselves And it had to be given.... The major reason being That During the build up to attaining freedom The congress party(The brains behind the attainment of independence) Led by Mahatma Gandhi.... Ignored the Muslim party's demands as they feared it would lead to the Affiliated Stronger parties to part way with the congress....

And the resultant Country Formed is known as. Pakistan. Bangladesh Also known as east bengal Had a huge Islamic population And it to went Along went with Pakistan.... Due to political reasons Bangladesh demanded Freedom from Pakistan. India helped them Attain it In 1971....

Coming Back to sports.... If you follow Cricket you would know Only 9 Nations Have Test status.... And three of the Countries that have this status are.... Yeah you guessed it right.... Us and our Blood brothers.
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Oh I didn't know that Bangladesh disunited along with Pakistan, I did know it was east Bengal though. And India helped Bangladesh seperate from Pakistan?. Did that occur peacefully or did Pakistan start war?. Its clear Pakistan doesn't get along on some levels with India, I remember those attacks 26/11 in Mumbai. But is that violence just from terrorist cells? Or is it deeper problems... Any way Yeah I saw on the net that India, England Australia Pakistan South Africa West Indies New Zealand Sri Lanka Zimbabwe and Bangladesh are 'test cricket level' is that the elite then?

The Lionel Messi of cricket

Oh2bagunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
I would dare say He is more than Lionel messi in cricket.... Go back a few pages in the Indian forum here and you'll know what I am talking about.... Yeah You are right those are the elite group.... I just said India Helped Bangladesh in 1971.... There was a lot of bloodshed involved.... The problem is mainly related to the fact that Pakistan feel they have been hard done by the Decision of India not to Surrender Kashmir (Also an Islam populous state) to them during partition...
Somere (Portmore Utd) 3 years ago
Chris gayle would be the ronaldo lol
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Meaning hes' so far ahead of the competition and has no natural rival as Messi has with Ronaldo? . And Kasmir huh? I heard that place is stunningly beautiful. GET OVER IT pakistan
Maestro7 (Manchester United) 3 years ago
@Somere got that right.... And Brian Lara would be the Zidane lol
Pkhakheria (Manchester City) 3 years ago
Tanzania! (homeland for me) but to be honest, though I'd like another Itslian world cup, now that I'm old enough to experience it!
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Croatia!.



Well firstly, Pavel Nedved is a Czech national so he wouldn't be eligeable for any Yugoslav team :). He played for Czech Republic and the former 'Československo' Czechoslovakia, until the 2 countries peacefully split in 1993 to form Czech Republic and Slovak Republic 'Slovakia'

Before the war started in Yugoslavia. [Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Montenegro, Macedonia and the disputed Serb / Albanian territory of Kosovo which is inside Serbian borders were all republics inside 1 country formerly called Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia or (SFR) Yugoslavia or simply just Yugoslavia. When Yugoslavia existed there was just 1 league Yugoslav Prva Liga and Crvena Zvezda Beograd (Red Star Belgrade) Dinamo Zagreb, Partizan Belgrade and Hajduk Split were the 'big 4' just like in England. In the years after the wars, now as the Republics of Yugoslavia are now countries, as a result the league systems and quality diminished with the lack of strong opposition, which Croatia and Serbia now suffer in European club tournaments. . And as Marko revealed below Yugoslav youths won the youth World Cup in Chile in 1987. That team was very special indeed and who knows what could have been achieved by that generation. Yugoslavia had a wealth of talented players which at the time of the mid 1990s' in which the majority of the quality was Croatian and Serb. 3 of our International and European club legends Robert Prosinečki Davor Šuker and Zvonimir Boban featured heavily in capturing that trophy and 4 years later as a show of how strong the Yugoslav prva liga was, Crvena Zvezda (Red Star) won the 1991 Champions League or European Cup as the format was then.

Football was introduced to Croatia by English expatriates in Rijeka and Županja in 1873. The official rulebook was recognized in 1896. By 1907 local clubs had been established in Croatia and a modern edition of the sport's laws was published. FIFA records document a Croatian national team playing a full-length fixture against domestic opposition in 1907. Though during periods of political upheaval, ethnically Croatian sides sometimes formed to play unofficial matches kinda like Cataluña do in Spain. In 1940, Jozo Jakopić led an unofficial national team representing the Banovina of Croatia in four friendly matches: two against Switzerland and two against Hungary. Croatia made their debut as an independently sanctioned team by defeating the Swiss 4-0 in Zagreb on April 2, 1940. Following invasion by the Axis powers, the Croatian Football Federation became briefly active, joining FIFA on July 17, 1941 as the Independent State of Croatia. The national side played fifteen friendly matches, fourteen as an official FIFA member. Croatia's first recorded result as a FIFA associate was a 1-1 tie with Slovakia on September 8 in Bratislava. Further matches were played until 1945 when the Independent State of Croatia was abolished and the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia assumed control, thereby ending the team's affiliation with FIFA. Croatia played their first modern International match in 1990 against the USA. Whilst still apart of SFR Yugoslavia but we were pretty much de facto. (which didn't go down well with the government, Serb dominated gov. Jebo te Milosević lol) The match against the American side also marked the introduction of Croatia's national jersey. Designed with unique chequers, the kit was widely acknowledged for its originality

The first recognized Croatian team played against Switzerland in 1940.





Croatia vs USA in 1990




And the historic match vs the United States at the Maksimir in 1990




Meanwhile as the wars were being fought, Yugoslavia was suspended from international competition as part of a United Nations sanction. In 1994, when the boycott was lifted, it was succeeded by the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia football team, then Football Association of Serbia and Montenegro and after 2006 just Serbia as Montenegro had become completely independant. With the dissolution of Yugoslavia, the team split up and the remaining team of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY) was banned from competing at Euro 92. They had finished top of their qualifying group, but were unable to play in the competition due to the brutal wars taking place at the time :(Their place was taken by Denmark, who went on to win the competition ironic lol. Another fact is FiFa recognise Serbia as the succesor to Yugoslavia. OK so when we qualified for our first tournament in UEFA Euro 96' we surprised Europe with the quality of team we had for a nation so recently recognised by the International community as a sovereign nation. Who could forget Peter Schmeichel getting 'lobbed' by Šuker (and also incidentally by Karel Poborsky of the Czech Republic lol. And Šuker took a shot from the halfway line too which Schmeichel just about saved. Peter Schmeichel acknowledged Davor Šuker with a respected thumbs up and was just deserved.



When we finished 3rd at FiFA World Cup 98' the world noticed Croatia I guess






The team was named FIFA's "Best Mover of the Year" in 1994 and 1998 and was undefeated in its first 36 home competitive matches, the run ending with a 2008 defeat to England. They have not lost at home since then, meaning they have lost at home once in the past 20 years.

So, with the War in Slovenia (1991), Croatian War of Independence (1991–1995) and the Bosnian War (1992–1995) they left the countries in ruins and we had to rebuild. Croatia wasn't badly damaged fortunately neither was Montenegro or Slovenia (that war only lasted 10 days). Bosnia & Herzegovina was really badly ruined by mortars and bombs and bullets, and Serbia was badly affected too so the structure and stadiums and domestic league quality are quite poor. Although in Croatia Hajduk Splits' stadium 'Poljud' is great and Dinamo Zagrebs' Maksimir stadium is 'going to' being fully renevated or the alternative is to build the Stadion Kajzerica, the blue volcano. In our domestic league in Croatia the Prva HNL it's dominated by 2 teams Dinamo and Hajduk Split. The quality and standard of the league is poor because of the afore mentioned problem, despite that we still produce world class players as does the other ex Yugo nations. So our national teams despite the challenges are still quite capable of taking it to the top nations. So that's my little brief portfolio of my country and 'Markodon' has added more facts below. Thanks for reading if you got this far :)

With that being said, a united 'former Jugoslavija' would be quite formidable. Heres' my dream 30 man squad.... As follows

Joint Managers : Radomir Antić, Slaven Bilić
Coaches : Cico Kranjčar, Safet Sušić, Matjaž Kek





Subs: Handanovič (slo) GK, Stojković (ser) GK, Hasagić (bih)
Ćorluka(cro) DF, Ivanović(ser) DF, Pranjić(cro) df/mf Lovren(cro)
Rakitić (cro) MF, Misimović (bih) MF Kačar DM (ser) Vukojević (cro)
Pjanić (bih) MF, Olić(cro) FW, Pandev (mac) Eduardo(cro) FW
Žigić (ser) FW, Novaković (slo) Birsa (slo) FW Petrić (cro) FW

Blueskiesahead (Chelsea) 3 years ago
That would be a pretty frightening team. I think you forgot berbatov though
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Well I made a dream Yugoslav team. I know Bulgaria Albania and Greece are at the end of the Peninsula, I centred on a Yugoslav one cos 'Oh2bagunner' mentioned Vidić and Nedved, I assume he thought Czech Republic or Nedved was part of the same region
Oh2bagunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Yeah sorry about that I am a dud when it comes to european history  Hey if you don't mind what about an all time Balkan X1
Theo (Chelsea) 3 years ago
That is one awesome team, apart from Runje who I obviously do not know lol.... That is a World cup winning team. Just Imagine Krasic, Modric, Dzeko, Vidic and Srna on one team, that would be a joy to watch
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Euro '92 wasn't our 1st tournament as we weren't even recognized by FIFA, it was '96. Also, our stadium is the biggest ruin and I don't think it's being renovated, the renovation simply stopped 10 years ago (with all the money mysteriously dissapearing). The result is one of the ugliest looking stadiums in the world, big shame.

As for the rest, nice summary about the Croatian team.

I agree with your choices for the ex-Yu team, but I would include Vukojevic and Kacar as they are true defensive mids and both very good players (I love Niko, but perhaps he would not be a starter in my ideal 11). Oh yeah, and Pandev needs to be in there as well
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Chelseaman93, Runje is a pretty good Croatian goalie, although there are probably better ones from former Yugoslavia. Stojkovic, Handanovic and Begovic come to mind. But he is somewhat of a legend in Croatia because of his eccentricity and mad behaviour on the pitch, gotta' love those crazy goalkeepers! He is also loved in his club, Lens
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Hvala za ispravak krivog navoda Marko....

Big fail on my part!Sorry I meant 96' not 92'.(I was just 9 years in 1996 lol) a total f**k up on my part, I was just typing and never realised my error, and on the team its a current dreamteam. And I don't like Pandev at all lol. And The Maksimir will get renevated, at least I hope. Again pardon my error.

Marko would you made a Jugoslav dreamteam for 'oh2bagunner' ?

Oh and Vukojević and Kačar added



@ oh2bagunner ... Its ok man, thanks for starting this topic thread, alot of people added very factual and interesting information about their countries, I like how you added about cricket being what your countries' people live and breathe because the Brits introduced it to you, but in saying that how did they not introduce football, since they started their english football league in 1888.Perhaps Indians saw englishmen playing cricket casually and copied or even joined in with them then it snowballed?. I once heard that 70% of India is below the poverty line thus unemployed, and with the free time they like to play and watch cricket that can last up to 5 days, (a test match) versus only taking 90 mins to play a football match. Could you shed some light on the subject please, thanks
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Well, it would be nice to have 1 Macedonian guy in the team, they would accuse you of discrimination! But realistically speaking, he is much better than Muslimovic or Novakovic. My Yugo team would be the same as yours except I like to have a more "solid" midfield, meaning either Vukojevic or Kacar with Stankovic in the centre, Luka on the left and Niko to the bench! Also, I would put Handanovic(Slo) as GK. On the bench, I would change Muslimovic and Novakovic for Pandev and Valter Birsa (Slo)
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Btw we will see what happens with Maksimir, but every time I see that "thing", I lose a little piece of my soul...
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Nooooo! Not Niko to the bench =P hes' benching too much for Crottenham! OK OK, Pandev in too lol.... There be some pissed off subs there ahaha. I added Handanovič and Pandev, but Birsa only has 3 goals for Slovenija but i'll add him. That's a long ass bench, i've had to recall it ' my dream 30' hehe. Oh who as manager? Radi? Slav? As joint coaches lol
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Ok now it's perfect! Well I'm sorry about Niko, I love the guy, and Harry is pissing me off benching him all the time. However, I'm a formation freak and 3 offensive players in the midfield in 4-4-2 is too much, they would leak! Lukica actually became pretty good defensively, I have to admit, but it's just a shame sending that guy to do dirty jobs when you can have a butcher like Vukojevic do that.
I like the mix of young and old in the manager position, and especially the coaching additions! Damn this team should play once, at least in some all-star match, ex-Yu vs the world.

As for Birsa, I watched that guy a few times, he is class! Also, he was one of the main Slo players at the WC. (I'm assuming Cesar is there because you got a bit nostalgic )
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Ok, this is how imagine Team Yugoslavia



And this is to clear up the confusion about which countries YU was actually made up from (map is a few years old, Montenegro and Kosovo are fully independent countries now)

Oh2bagunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
@darkinja Poverty is prominent in the nation But not that prominent.... India actually has one of the earliest football competition in the world (the Durand cup Started in 1888) The competition was earlier on played with British Teams after we gained independence British teams no longer took part in it and they moved on.... This was the point in which we could have chosen Football (very popular at the time) As our national sport.... But Hockey was chosen as we had Major success in the sport in the olympics.... Cricket At this time was not that popular at all.... But (no disrespect to the sport whatsoever) it was seen as a much easier sport to play.... And since most of the Cricket clubs gained political backing, From the major groups mainly responsible for Attainment of independence, It was recognized as the Sport that Would be popularized along with hockey in India....

Infact The first world cup after attainment of independence (1950) we did qualify.... But withdrew since the rules specified we couldn't play bare foot.... That was that.... Beginning of the end for football in India.
Nippro (Tottenham Hotspur) 3 years ago
Damn you withdrew because you couldn't play barefoot, you should have just borrowed any sort of shoes
s**t! Maybe india would have been a football powerhouse now just like their rising with pingpong and other athletics
Asean games just showed how a beast indian sports are rising
Jeroen (Barcelona) 3 years ago
Great post Marko, although I did expect a Loch Ness-like monster in the Balaton lake. Or a big fat tourist
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Jaroen, by the time I learned how to embed pictures, I realized it was way past bedtime hahah. Was unfortunately too tired to be creative with the map.... But those are definitely some good suggestions, you seem like a natural for these things!
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Gosh wouldnt the Indian FA buy the team some football boots? Its funny how such a small thing can possibly change the course of history. Makes you think
Threkstari (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Nooo.... Balaton is good as it is!.... Even on maps      Teehee
Oh2bagunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
@Darkinja Nice updates on the pics.... Looks really nice.... Especially The highly enlarged one of kranjcar
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Thanks 'Oh2bag' I had some time to kill, and I liked markos' Football field, adds some visual aspect and is easy on the eyes. Good spot on Niko lol. Yes I am a favoratist.... Marko would push Modrić out wide left, or have Miralem Pjanić there. Thats' a Heck No from me lol. I wouldnt mind the lack of a Vukojević a tough tackler, cos' I feel that team can score goals all day long. But his team would be essential against Spain or Brazil (with a healthy Kaka')
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Bottom line: With or without Vukojevic, that team would rock hard
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Yeah Marko I was nostalgic with Cesar hes' good for his natjional side though. I just thought of Dejan Lovren and his from for Lyon, so hes' in
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Darkinja, I love it how you update your post every day, it's a monster! Great stuff    And your team will soon become an army
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Balkans history class! Professors Darkinja and Markodon! I love it! Great job educating footytubers on Yugoslavian history. Tough subject!
It makes me sad when I look at the "Yugoslavian" players, it would be a sick team! And let's not talk about club football!
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Breaking news: Robert Prosinecki, legendary Croatian player and a Red Star (Crvena Zvezda) icon is the new coach of Red Star football club. "Robi" used to be one of the best players in the world, putting himself on the map as early as 1987, when he was proclaimed the best players of the u-20 World Cup in Chile (Yugoslavia swept up everything that stood in their way and convincingly won the Cup, with players like Boban, Suker, Prosinecki, Mijatovic, Savicevic, Stojkovic; I might add a video later, now I'm at work!). He then proceeded to win the 1991 Champions league with Red Star, where he was once again the best player. He was part of the Bronze Croatian squad of France '98 and led Dinamo Zagreb in their Champions League campaign. He was also one of the rare players to play for both Real Madrid and Barcelona.

His appointment as the new Red Star coach wouldn't be such a surprise if he weren't Croatian. Since the break-up of Yugoslavia, I think there was only one similar situation, when a Serbian coach took over a minor Croatian team for a period of few months. So in that sense, this is quite a breakthrough. Obviously, people in Croatia already starting talking crap about him, but for all of us who want normalization of relations, it's a great step. Good luck, Robi!

Marcinny (New York Red Bulls) 3 years ago
I am loving this thread. History and football combined.
I know very little about the clubs in Yugoslavia, except from what my friend Velja explained to me in another thread, but I certainly remember Yugoslavia being a nation full of stars.
On the other hand, I also believe that nationalism and separation was a boost to many non-Serbian players to step up their game and become internationally known. Croatia of the 90s were not playing just for the sake of the game.
Of course, I maybe totally wrong.

The selection above would make the New Yugoslavia one of the best teams in Europe. It would be a Serbian-Croatian project plus additions of talents from the other republics. Yes, adding a Macedonian is nice, for the sake of being political correct. Also a Muslim from Kosovo and a Hungarian from the north and there you have it. Lol.

I think nationalism be damned they should try it for a world cup, make a common Yugoslavian team.compete, win and then part ways again. Imagine that
Kodyx (Juventus) 3 years ago
Woot, it would be intersting if krasic meets modric and dzeko. Perfecto
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Marcinny, you are quite right about Croatia of the 90s. It was the time of ultra-nationalism in the region (a few years after the war) and the Croatian national team was very much involved in building up Croatia's reputation (football is a great way to make your country known!). The politicians were definitely aware of the potential impacts of this. But politics aside, there is no denying that our 90's generation was one of the best in Europe in the recent times (some people will say I'm exaggerating but just remember who Suker, Boban, Prosinecki, Jarni, Boksic, etc. Were and where they played). Serbia had an equally powerful team with legends like Savicevic, Mijatovic, Piksi Stojkovic, Jugovic, Mihajlovic, etc. Like I mentioned before, these players together won a youth WC just few years before they would find themselves on the opposite sides of the frontlines. I am scared to imagine what that team could have achieved.

Yeah, a common team just for once would be cool, but it will never ever happen again, so I guess we don't deserve it either. What I hope for in the future (and this is the probably the limit, realistically speaking) is a joined ex-Yugo league (see "Balkan League" thread) and player transfers between clubs of different countries. I think that would have a positive and healthy impact on the region itself.

Btw All the good Kosovars play either for some foreign countries or some cases - in Serbia/Montenergo, but Valon Behrami is one kosovar that comes to mind, he plays for Switzerland. Also when you said a Hungarian, I hope for your sake you meant a Hungarian from Vojvodina (northern provice of Serbia with a large Hungarian minority). Otherwise you might get Prejsu (the thread enforcer) beating some geopolitics out of you!
Marcinny (New York Red Bulls) 3 years ago
Hahahaha yes, from Vojvodina. Of course. I am a geography and history freak so you won't catch me making this kind of gaffes.
I certainly remember well Prosineci, Boban etc from Croatia and Svicevic and Mihajlovic from Serbia. Of course I forget names and then I mix some of them with the new ones. (The "vic" ending does not help - lol).

Yes, I have been an active participant of the Balkan League thread. It was there that I got my education on Yugoslav clubs, about which I knew nothing.

And yes, Behrami seems to be from Kosovo, but is a Swiss citizen. I like him. Now how to convince him to do join the New Yugoslavia, lol.

I googled other Albanian names and Lorik Cana is from Kosovo but plays for Albania. And that fine young guy Xherdan Shaqiri, who scored a superb goal against England in September, is Kosovo Albanian too.

Also while I was thinking of buying a cheap goalkeeper from my dreamfooty I found this Oka Nikolov guy, who was Macedonian and he seemed interesting. Many clean sheets etc. But now I googled he is not even capped lol.

Vucinic of Montenegro has certainly been on fire.

OK I will stop here. Lol
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Robert Prosinecki in Red Star! I truly hope he'll bring Red Star up, even though they are fierce rivals, because Partizan did not have a true competitor in domestic league in recent years and that fact definitely proved as a downside competing in champions league this season.

Robi was a sick player, and a member of last generation of Yugoslavian players, which was bound to rule world football in 90's, but never got that chance due to political situation in good old Balkans.

I see that our foreign friends are getting clear picture about football in this region, and I believe it raises even more awareness about how Balkan regional league would help club football in these states become more competitive on European level
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
To think we could have had Zlatan Ibrahimović too with his Croatian mom. Hes' the big fish that got away. I'm sure Bosniaks think about it also.... Džeko +Ibra.... Wowzers!
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Well he is part Croatian as well!
I would not like him in "Yugoslavian" team, too arrogant! And knowing our mentality, I do not believe he would fit in! Fantastic talent and player though
Marcinny (New York Red Bulls) 3 years ago
Wow that would be scary.

Off topic, but not much, a few weeks ago ESPN had this documentary about Drazen Petrovic and Divac, same last generation of Yugoslavia, but in basketball. They both came here to play ball, but when the war started they became enemies. Then Popovic died in an accident. What a great player he was. Sad tragedy.

For those interested, the documentary is called Once Brothers


Link: 30for30.espn.com/film/once-brothers.html
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
I had chance to watch it! Sad story, but a great example of how ridiculous was war between Yugoslavian countries in 90's!
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
I watched it as well, good documentary and a tragic story. Also, Divac was portrayed in the Croatian media as the devil himself after the flag incident (that image is still retained among some people). I am glad that they made this film, as it shows that he's a good guy and that the incident happened because of his contempt for politics.

Velja, I agree about Ibra. Great player, but no team spirit. No place for him in the Yugo team
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Nije vasno mislim da ti decki stvarno imaju neke labave vijke . Hehe just joking of course Well I'll take you on Zlatan.... There, there *pats Zlatan on the head* Don't mind those bullies, lmao

On the actual war, the civilians, neighbours turned on each other, friends, so fking sad .... You had a Serb Bosnians vs Bosnian Serbs, Srbo Croats vs Croat Serbs, Bosnian Croats vs Croat Bosnians and so on. Most stupidest thing ever. Its' hard to begin to make sense of. To top it off you have kids in for example australia who riot and fight each other at tennis tournaments and they never even seen the war.... Usually started by Serbs but whom get antagonised by Croatians chanting 'u boj, you boj, za narod svoj' roughly translated in english as 'to battle, to battle for your people / nation' Theres' always trouble when Croatia and Serbia meet in Tennis, especially at Davis cup, so I can't even Imagine Croatia vs Serbia in Zagreb in football or Croatia away in Belgrade
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
I think it's beyond the point to discuss who started what first, I find those morons in Australia completely unbearable. They have nothing to do with either Croatia or Serbia apart from their primitive parents (I don't mean to say that all the immigrants are like this), and they should just accept they're Australians! Having said that, I have to pay my respects to all the Croatian Aussies who joined the Croatian NT, e. G. Joe Simunic.
As for the Davis Cup, people will always shout xenophobic and nationalist slogans, but at least there was no fighting or anything like that. One sport where there is a frequent clash of Croatian/Serbian/Montenegrin NT's is waterpolo, and I also haven't noticed anything really serious happening at those matches (apart from the incident in Slovenia 5 or 6 years ago, when fighting broke out)
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Darkinja izvini sto moram da pitam, ali sta je vijak? Moracu da poradim na mom srpsko-hrvatskom!
Well if you look at it chronologically, war broke out in Slovenia first, but anyway I would agree with Markodon about this being beyond the point to discuss!
Croatia and Serbia (and Montenegro while still SR Jugoslavija) played qualifying matches for EURO 2000, and I think it was not that big of the deal! As Markodon sad, you will always have nationalistic chants, as long as generations that were involved in war during 90's are alive, but I truly believe that majority of people(especially younger generations) in all ex-Yugoslavian states are beyond all that
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Velja, I was referring to Darkinja's comment about how Serbs usually start the trouble first, but are provoked by Croats. To me, it makes no difference who starts it, since they are the same. The same goes for all the nationalist bigots world wide.
Btw, vijak = screw. Labav vijak = loose screw. Although, Darkija will have to explain further what she meant, I absolutely didn't get that whole part!?
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Marko da! Kao alternativa za lose odluke, moj tata uvijek kaze ali any znam kako ga je pronasao haha. You svakom slucaju moj pokusaj roleplaya bio je patetican ja ii dalje mislim da sam cudna osoba any slusaj me Oh umm well I know Serbs are not always culprits nije mi namjera biti grub ili neugodan but they hate our you boj chant and often retaliate. In no way did I mean our kids are angels. It just makes me angry the thugs nationalists they have to ruin everything. Sve sto zelim jeste mir ii spokojstvo. I have Serb and Bosnian friends and we never mention anything about the 90s. Is history! At least for most of us. I believe people in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland have the same problem but with a different cause
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Is there a way to turn off the auto-correct? It's annoying because it's hard to write and read in Croatian/Serbian since half of the words are recognized by footytube as English shorthand words and changed to what it thinks they mean lol
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Darkinja, I hear you. I love my country, but that doesn't mean I think we are God's descendants and superior to others. Also, it is important to see people for who they are, regardless of their nationality or religion. A Croatian idiot is just as idiotic as a Serb one

I also have quite a few Serbian and Bosnian friends, and I don't think it's necessary to keep quite about the 90s as long as its done in a honest and unbiased way. Every time I talk to Serbs about it, we tend to agree that it was the politicians who are mostly to blame, but also the people, because they let it happen. As Djordje Balasevic says - "Krivi smo mi"
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Za siguran mudar covjek hehe. Pa mislim da je to poprilicno tocna ii any mozemo promijeniti proslost ali buducnost je svijetla za nas kao ljude . So I think we highlight Croatian football and a little slice of Yugoslav history quite well for our International friends at this forum. We can be proud I hope people understand better our situation and that a Serbian friend creates one from their perspectiv
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Ughhh why when I write 'N E' it appears as 'any' or also if I write 'U' it appears 'You' thanks footytube lol

VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Well I already expressed my opinion on football in Serbia and ex-Yugoslavia states in my thread "Balkan affairs", not sure if you had chance to read it Darkinja. Anyway I am a bit Yugo nostalgic when it comes to football, and sports in general, because I believe quality of it has been going down since Yugoslavia fell apart, and due to economic situation in our countries it does not seem it will get better any time soon
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Haha Darkinja, na to sam mislio you prijasnjem postu, preglupo! footytube is totally not Croatian/Serbian language-friendly, it tries to anglicize it!
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
I'll check it out velja theres' so many threads!
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
That 30 for 30 documentary made me a little sad. Vlade was protecting the 'yugoslav' team from nationalism and if was a serb flag he would have done same. Drazen was young and confused and that was the case with so many young people in the 1990s caught in the politics and ethnic sides which wasnt a problem before. I remember that incident as a child when Drazen captaining the croatians walked off from the medal ceremony with their backs to the serbs and I never understood it then. I'm happy that Vlade found closure and visited Drazens mom and brother in Zagreb. The way Croatians treat him now is still disapointing labelling him a Četnik


Jeroen (Barcelona) 3 years ago
Well, I'm Belgian, and for a country with only 10m inhabitants we're pretty good in sports, despite what the overly critical 'pundits' here say. In tennis we have Justine Henin and Kim Clijsters, 2 of the best female tennis players of the last decade. We have a great tradition in cycling as well, with Eddy Merckx as the best ever cyclist and numerous others as well.
Football however is still the n°1 sport here, and in the 80's Belgium was a pretty great team. With Pfaff in the 80s and Preud'homme in the early 90s we had 2 keepers who were awarded with the best goalkeeper in the world by FIFA. Jan Ceulemans was one of the great strikers of the 80s, despite being having never left Club Brugge for the big teams that all were dying to have him. Mind you, in those days Belgian clubs like Anderlecht, Club Brugge and KV Mechelen were still able to compete with the best in Europe because money didn't decide so much in the world of football yet. Club Brugge even played the European cup final twice, Mechelen even won it once, Anderlecht as well and they also played 2 more European finals.

But in the 90's football dramatically changed because wages took a giant leap, transfer sums as well. As a result, all the star players moved to the biggest clubs in the world as soon as they had one good season - to this day the same is happening. Since then, Belgian teams never got far in European leagues any more. And for almost 20 years we also barely produced great footballers, unlike our northern neighbours Holland, who kept producing world class players every year.

It seems though that right now the tide is turning with players like Vermaelen, Hazard, Fellaini, Kompany, Vertonghen, Boyata, Lukaku, Defour, Dembélé, Witsel, Vossen and several other young and very talented kids.

But, I diverge. The topic was about how our football would be if a certain defining moment hadn't happened. Well, here's a bit of a history lesson to define that moment:
[Here Beginneth The History Lesson]
Belgium has always been a nation ruled over by other bigger world powers. Mainly because we're in the centre of Europe and have always had a blossoming economy ripe for plunder, which is of course the main reason one power attacks another. The Romans ruled here for about 600 years, then a bunch of feudal local leaders, then some French lords, then some Spanish bastards who chased away all of our influential scholars, scientists, merchants and artists because they were Protestants.
All of this fighting split up what we now call Belgium (which didn't exist until 1830 anyway) into a French speaking part in the south and a Dutch one in the north - where I live.
It all started when Charlemagne died and divided his empire amongst his 3 sons. A Germanic part in the east, a Frankish part in the west and in between (and in the north of Italy) a Romanic/Burgundian part. Well, modern day Belgium is exactly on that spot where those 3 meet.


The Dutch speaking Belgians were always pretty much the same people as the Dutch: we speak the same language, share more or less the same culture, have similar customs....
Now comes the 'defining moment': if we weren't always dominated by other regimes like the Romans, or French in the Middle Ages and the Spaniards later on, it would be very well possible that what used to be Flanders and Brabant (look it up on wikipedia if you wish) would have united with the more northern provinces like Holland to become one, Dutch speaking country instead of the weird combination that exists now.
[Here Endeth The History Lesson]

So, if Belgium and the Netherlands were one, which would absolutely make sense, we would now have some of the best defenders in the world (in my modest opinion) in Belgium's Vermaelen, Kompany, Vertonghen and a number of others, along with some of the great Dutch midfielders and strikers the likes of Sneijder, Robben, Van der Vaart, Van Persie, Huntelaar and Affelay. And I'm not even mentioning the many youngsters that are bound to become greats as well: Lukaku and Hazard being the two best known ones.

Anyway, I doubt the majority of you have read more than 3 words of my rant above, so I'll just post a current 'dream team' of a Belgian-Dutch football squad:

Reidscott (Fiorentina) 3 years ago
Outstanding! I read every word! Only on footytube can I get my fav footy and a history lesson! Nice job Jeroen! I now have a much better understanding of your schizophrenic country.... Lol.... (just kidding my friend) BTW.... That is one hard-ass team!
Jeroen (Barcelona) 3 years ago
You read that all? No way! Thanks Reid, that makes a rubbish day a bit brighter. The only good part of this day was Dortmund winning yet again, editing that picture of western Europe and your comment so far.
I was ranting against some other mods how recently so little (more or less) serious topics there were and how much annoying spam was posted in the match comments. Guess there still are decent users left
Reidscott (Fiorentina) 3 years ago
Yeah.... It can get real dumb around here.... We have to understand that a huge part of the users are kids that just want to act their age and say stupid stuff. It is up to the rest of us to post more serious stuff.... And we all do. As far as politics goes.... The best thing is to start threads in the forums and blogs and keep them going.... And we do that as well as we can too. The match pages are never going to get too serious.... Just the way it is. But all in all this site does let you say your piece.... But will never be a " Serious " site I don't think
Oh2bagunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Thanks for including Van persie man.... That is one Bad ass team you got there.... I have studied feebly about Belgian history while I was in school but its great to learn more about it.... Much rather spend 10 minutes here than 3 hours in wikipedia
Oh2bagunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Delete this. Damn double posts.
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Love the hilarious little additions to the map! Made me crack up
Ant (Liverpool) 3 years ago
Fantastic post, a great read. Blog worthy!
Hill (Arsenal) 3 years ago
That was really interesting. Also, quite the squad that would be. I had no idea Fellaini was Belgian
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Interesting how Holland's offensive magicians combine well with Belgium's defence, which is superior to the Dutch one. What about Van Buyten? He's not bad either, getting old though
Tony (footytube staff) 3 years ago
Its like a geography lesson, I love it.... Lol
Jeroen (Barcelona) 3 years ago
Thanks for the nice respond guys. And Marko, Van Buyten is too prone to mistakes lately. Although he's definitely not as bad as some people think (because of his lumbering appearance), I'd much rather see Kompany, Vermaelen or Vertonghen there
Hkremixboy (Fiorentina) 3 years ago
That's a bad ass combination with Holland's attack + Belgium defence! You forget the substitute, lol
Threkstari (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Jeroen.... Neat history lesson mate  
Marcinny (New York Red Bulls) 3 years ago
Jeroen, laugh all you want, but just a couple of days ago I was playing Civilisation III and I had this scenario of choosing between the Franks, Burgundy, Germans etc. So when I saw your map, it felt as a natural continuation of my game.
I read it with great interest and for completely childish reasons I was probably the best educated reader here on medieval issues lol. Of course, there was no sign of Belgium in my Civ game and I opted to be Alfred the Great and eventually crushed down the Franks all the way to Mediterranean Sea. Certainly no one was touching those scholars and merchants under my watch. Lol
Marcinny (New York Red Bulls) 3 years ago
By the way, I remember the good times of Belgium. I remember Pfaf and I remember Vandenbergh. The first World Cup that I can remember as a child is 1982. I don't remember everything but Belgium defeated the World Champions, Argentina. Everyone in the world watched that.
Not sure, what happened next. I am too lazy to check, but Belgium was eliminated at some point. Not without a bang though
Tony (footytube staff) 3 years ago
Is that the "age of empires" game marc? , I have played all of those games, absolutely brilliant
Maestro7 (Manchester United) 3 years ago
Wow that's one hell of a team
Jeroen (Barcelona) 3 years ago
Haha, Marc, I also played Civ, but I prefer it's closest relative, Medieval 2: Total War. I may be 24 now, but I still play it because it's simply so awesome I've always loved strategy games that are located in the past, and especially the Middle Ages are an addiction of mine. If you, or pretty much anyone really, wants to talk about Age of Empires, ME2: TW, or football manager, I'm your man
Maybe I can set up a thread where we can discuss and even play those strategy games against / with each other, I always love competition ^^ And I've gotta' warn you all: I've only been beaten once in AoE 2 in the thousands of games from the moment a friend gave it to me some 8 years ago
Tony, you in?
ScooterHayes (Chelsea) 3 years ago
Your depictions of what I believe to be a Kraken and a merman were hilarious
Tony (footytube staff) 3 years ago
Northern ireland:
Football in northern ireland is not as big as it used to be in the 20's, 30's, 40's etc;, the simple reason being our big neighbour "england" who for years have gleened all the good young players from northern ireland leaving us with a lower standard of football, which encourages smaller crowds etc;. Which isn't ideal in a population of one and a half million.... Lol.
The same can be said for wales, scotland, and the rep of ireland.
They all produce decent young players, but they all end up in england, leaving their own leagues in a lesser state.
Teams like linfield and donegal celtic from belfast have had attendances approaching 100, 000 back in the day, but between the war and the introduction of tv, the paying public will not pay to go watch an irish league game now, instead nearly everyone in northern ireland supports man utd or liverpool, with the odd spurs, arsenal, chelsea fan. And the ferry and airport terminals are bunged every weekend with 1, 000's travelling to manchester or liverpool for every home game.
But the biggest problem we have overcome was the sectarianism connected with football in northern ireland between the protestant and roman catholic population of the country, and certain teams being pigeon holed to one religion or the other, and it did cause trouble throughout the years, but that all seems to be behind us now thank god.
Very seldom do you hear sectarian songs at club games now, and our international team who have a large protestant following who used to be very sectarian and volatile and down right nasty, are now among the best fans in the world, and were actually voted "best fans in the world" a few years ago.
We still have sectarianism in a way in football, but its through the two scottish teams rangers and celtic who have massive support in northern ireland, and ireland as a whole, but even games between them is not as volatile as it used to be.
Anyway, that's the state of football in northern ireland.... Club football, just about surviving, and the international team are doing ok.... Green'n'white army.... !
Oh2bagunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Excellent one tony.... But Would you have preferred to stay on with Ireland. Do you think if that had happened The combined irish league would be known more than the epl. I say this because I remember seeing your comment in the linfield chat on how they have the most number of trophies in europe
Tony (footytube staff) 3 years ago
That's true, linfield are only second to glasgow rangers for a world record 53 league titles, linfield are on 50. But even the two irish assoc's joining together wouldnt really make much of a better league, as I said earlier, north or south, ALL our good youngsters find their way to england, and it affects our game, and ultimately the quality on show.
But club football in the rep of ireland is a higher standard than we have in the north, , , just.... Lol, I mean linfield can hold their own with the rep clubs and have won numerous all ireland compos in the past.
If you mean combine the two international teams, well george best was a great advocate of that idea, and had mentioned it several times, but that was back in the bad old days, and people were set in their ways and would never have entertained it due to the sectarian element.
I think people would be a lot more open to an all ireland team now than they were back then, but I still love my northern ireland team, and it would be hard to give that up, and I'm sure the rep of ireland fans would feel the same way
Theo (Chelsea) 3 years ago
Nigeria:

Football is for sure the number 1 sport for us, we rarely even talk about any other sport lol.... But although Football is the most popular sport, our local teams are not very good because of the corruption in the stupid FA, and our national team is a big mess, we have good solid players but we change coaches like every week.... Lmao

As for the National team, things are looking bright, Mikel and Odemwingie are doing very well in the EPL (and we have some other good players, plying their trade around Europe) and hopefully they can bring more of that into the National team, and we Finally have a Nigerian coach (tired of those Foreigner's lol) and almost everyone in the Country is sure, that he will lead us into the right path.

And on the issue of the local clubs, not only is corruption affecting them, but the EPL is badly affecting them too. At least 97% of Nigerians who love football have an EPL team and rarely watch the Nigerian Premier League (including myself lol, in fact I have never even watched a single game) Most people in the Country follow Arsenal, some Man utd, while Chelsea and Liverpool are trailing in number of fans.

Finally, I really don't see anything changing with the local clubs or the way Football is run in the country, because Sepp Blatter does not want us to remove the corrupt NFF members, until their frigging term is over
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Good post Chelseaman. Thanks, for sharing
Oh2bagunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Seems like we have something in common Chelseaman.... The british were your conquerors too(From wiki)Leaving aside the political aspect.... Would you have preferred for them to stay on
Theo (Chelsea) 3 years ago
Thank you for reading Darkinja

And Oh2bagunner, I personally would have wanted them to stay.... Nigerians are a bunch of corrupt bastards (pardon my language lol) If the british were still here, I am sure things would have been very different, I would not have to go through the torture and uncertainty of our Football affairs.... We never organize anything right, we can't get good friendlies, and the players do not even want to play for their Country. I am not saying we would have been "perfect" if we were still under the British, but we would have been a lot better than we are now
Oh2bagunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Yeah the same goes for me too.... Would have preferred for them to stay on.... (in true footballing terms)
Theo (Chelsea) 3 years ago
Yeah, just in Footballing terms.... I don't think any Nigerian would want a Foreigner to be President of the Country lol. But it would have been really awesome, if they were managing our Football Federation
BigShel (Philadelphia Union) 3 years ago
Shamful for sure because the Super Eagles have fielded some fearsome teams in past worldcups. Perhaps there is a former national team player willing to step up and coach the team? Someone who can also serve as a lightning rod of sorts and get all the different factions to work together for the sake of fielding a solid team. Nigeria by all rights should be African champions year in and year out and easily qualify out of their group for the WC. I hope this becomes a reality soon
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
I have to agree with BigShel here, as I have also wondered what the hell happened with the mighty Nigeran NT. I still remember the days of Jay Jay Okocha, George Finidi, Taribo West, etc. They used the most serious team that wasn't from Europe or South America. But now they are not even one of the top African teams, shame...
Theo (Chelsea) 3 years ago
Yeah I totally agree, now every thing has just gone bad...... We never get past the last 4 in the Nations Cup, we struggle to even make an appearance in the World Cup, although we get very easy groups lol. And to make it worse, we always get thrown out of the World Cup after the group stages.... Shame indeed

Now, all we can do is pray and hope that someday we can somehow develop players like Okocha, Kanu, Taribo and Sunday Oliseh...... Scratch Okocha, we can never develop someone like him again lol, he was just too Amazing!




Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
JJ Okocha was a genious and a magician. I remember him best when he totally made a fool of Ray Parlour of Arsenal. And when he scored that goal where he was feinting and dropping denders on the ground until he finally shot and scored. Is he the best Player Nigeria has ever produced?
Theo (Chelsea) 3 years ago
Definitely yes for me! I don't think there is any Nigerian player that can even come close to him. He was just the complete player, he could do everything on the football field (except from play Goal Keeper lol) and his dribbling skills are only second to Ronaldinho imo.... I will have to say, yes he is the best player, then maybe Kanu
Nippro (Tottenham Hotspur) 3 years ago
I'll put him up there equal or just alongside ronaldinho. Fact he was playing in prem league which was much more physical. Imagine him playing in barcelona alongside ronnie, damn the world of football would have been such a feast.

Well on the bright side,
Vinceant enyeama is going to develop to become one of the best goalkeepers in the world


Nippro (Tottenham Hotspur) 3 years ago
   
Lifeguard 3 years ago
Canada: The football revolution has yet to come, but with the dawn of the MLS and expansion teams to the league, Canadian soccer is up and coming, we are ranked 64th in the world at my last check. To this day, we have produced very few high class players, Hargreaves is perhaps the best known of all Canadian footballers outside of North America. Dwane De Rosario is another good Canadian player, but he has remained in the MLS, therefore, not known to many European fans. The problem facing Canadian soccer is two-fold, one, the weather, and two other sports. The weather Canada is unbelievable in many peoples' eyes, as we have a snow covered land for almost half a year. This does limit the amount of soccer that can be played, making it not as popular as other sports.

Which brings me to the next point, other sports are a hindrance to Canadian soccer. Hockey is the national sport of Canada, as the weather is perfect for it during the winter. You cannot go to a town in Canada that does not have a hockey rink of some form, like I would expect many a European country to possess in terms of soccer fields. There are many famous Canadian players in the NHL (national hockey league) which is played in the USA, and Canada. Many people seem to think that because there are so many successful Canadians in Hockey, there is probably a better chance of doing well in that sport, rather than soccer, a seemingly uncharted territory in terms of Canadian sports.

In my eyes, the MLS will eventually help soccer in our country, but the process will be slow, and it will take years to reach a point of competing on the same level as many European countries known for their high footballing skill
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Good Info. Yeah I can imagine the difficulties facing the progression of football in Canada, especially the length of time it snows there. In saying that if it ever happens it will have to be indoors? Or the league played from spring to autumn perhaps. I'm sure there would be a solution
BigShel (Philadelphia Union) 3 years ago
Well all I can say so far is well done lady and gentelmen. My addition will be brief as my countries history with football is rather brief and underdeveloped compared to most of yours but a nation where the large and diverse population will be a great benefit in the near future. I am of course refering to the US.

My first thought when I read this topic was what would have happened if we had remained under British rule instead of escaping that evil empire and beginning our own evil empire determined to rule the universe. For the longest time the United states has operated in somewhat of a vacum developing our own sports and only embracing new things when our utter dominance in our creations has waned (baseball, Basketball). I cannot explain to you the impact having the 94 world cup has had on the Us football? Soccer is growing at an incredible rate in our country a times faster than the quality has but being decades if not century's behind some of our competition. Football is not ingrained in the hearts and minds of all Americans but I count myself amongst the many who are part of a grassroots alliance that will not give up the fight until we have suceeded in growing the sport we for the first time have professional leagues (MLS and USL) that are solvent and guaranteed survival in the future.

Many in the US are bemoaning the fact that we did not get the world cup in 2022 honestly I think sending the WC to Russia and Qatar are fair (minus the corruption behind the scenes) as football is the world game and must be shaired with all people not just europe and South America.

I will not post an American dream team but suffice to say the main positives I have witnessed in the past months are 1. The number of American players now playing overseas and doing well and 2. The MLS announcing that by 2014 they hope to change our season to coincide with the european schedules and the ability of MLS clubs to now sign players as young as 15 to a contract with their youth academies.

The US within the next twenty years will have the potential (notice I did not say they will-lol)to be in the top ten in the FIFA rankings at this rate. I know some American soccer fan's would like to see that become a reality within the next few years but I think my estimate is realistic
Reidscott (Fiorentina) 3 years ago
Gee thanks Shel for this post.... Says it all man. Yeah basically a generation in real time. I have some probs with Russia (see racism and total corrupt gov't) and I see why they went for Qatar.... Huge bucks and out-of-this-world stadiums will bring the gloss they want. FIFA is so corrupt though.... It is a joke of a governing body really.... So I guess we as fans have no real input as to these decisions.... And that is sad because the fans of the sport should have a say.

In the US this game will never overtake the big 2 but may get in the 3 slot someday. The decision to move the season may be the thing that helps the most. We are drawing bigger crowds than the NHL right now and more kids play soccer than hockey. I just want to see MLS on a par with the top leagues in the world and be self sustainable and get respect around the world. When I go to San Jose to see the Quakes I want to see some great footy period. It's that simple really
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Great post Shel. I never imagined that WC 94 made any significant impact in your nation.
I remember Tina Turners' penalty lmao (facepalm). And the goal posts exploded nonetheless.
Until the Americans get that term 'soccermom' and 'soccer is for pussies' I can't see it ever being big time like the NFL, NHL, MLB, etc.... If the kids are trained and exposed to it at a young age then thers' hope. But then when they're at college, theres' college football and college basketball right? Alot of distractions and not enough access to top quality european footie on terrestrial tv, maybe even on cable. (idk how your fox and fox plus and espn is bcast).
Defenately a slow ardous process, but with untold potential!
Hill (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Those who love the game in the USA find ways to watch what they want to see. There is ESPN, espn3.com, Fox Soccer Channel, numerous internet streams and subscriptions to watch it. If we want to watch, we can!
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Oh yeah? Great thats' a great thing then!
Theo (Chelsea) 3 years ago
"soccer is for pussies".... That is the most annoying thing above all, Most people do not know what or how Football is played, all they know is that it is not as physical as the NFL or Hockey, so they just consider it an after thought.

For football to grow in the USA, people need to at least give it a chance.... I mean I love both the NFL and Football, why can't other people do so? Lol
Hill (Arsenal) 3 years ago
I agree Chelseaman. I hear that all too often. I'm pretty sure there are a lot more football players who could compete in American football than there are American football players who could compete in football
Lifeguard 3 years ago
It is true that many a successful punter in the NFL has been a soccer player prior to their switching sports. The technique and other components involved with kicking are carried over to the other sport
BigShel (Philadelphia Union) 3 years ago
Believe me change is comming I grew up playing american football from the age of 8 to my freshman year in college only giving it up after serious knee injury. I have been an ardent fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers since 1970 and I am telling you I do not even follow the NFL any more. If I am not on any of the streams which I am sure you are all aware of I am watching Fox soccer channel Gol tv or Setanta sports on Direct tv a day does not pass when I do not watch a match in some format. I have been known to stay up all night watching footy and fall asleep at my desk in the AM. I am telling you if I can fall in love with Footy so can the rest of Americans. Our biggest problem is too many sporting choices and resistance to change or considering things outside our realm of expertise. If the US was to suddenly win a major championship Americans would be riding around in their cars with US national team emblems and dressing their kids like Landon Donovan at halloween. We only know what we see on youtube here. Perfect example My daughter wears her Mia Hamm jersey to school and everyone asks her who is she someone famous? But she wears her Ronaldinho jersey to school and everyone knows who he is. Most Americans who do follow Footy are fans only of european teams and actually scoff at MLS teams as rank amatuers. This summer when the Philadelphia Union played Manchester United in a summer friendly most American fans were rooting for United to win and were dissapointed when the Union made a good showing.

As for womens sports though Soccer is the number one participation sport by a huge margin in fact more girls play soccer than boys in the US and the evidence speaks for itself the US womens team is considered one of the best in the world. Sadly the WPS the womens pro soccer league is having problems staying solvent for lack of fan support although the play is excellent and has attracted many huge female players such as Marta. I have a picture of her on my page posed with my girls but at the game we attended there were only 3500 fans? Sad but true many members here on footytube saw the picture and asked me who is that woman with your daughters? Now that's pretty sad
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Interesting stuff, BigShel. I really think it's time that people in the US start waking up! But I don't necessarily see a problem in so many different sport choices. Here in Europe (minus UK, they only have footy and rugby lol), we also follow basketball, handball, volleyball, waterpolo (to a lesser extent), but football is the king of all sports. It's the hierarchy of sports in the US that I don't get, e. G. Baseball more popular than football?!

Anyhow, I can definitely see progress in US footy, and I'm always happy to watch MLS highlights. I'm not only interested in how good the teams are but also how many people came to see the match, how passionate they are about what goes on the pitch, etc
Lifeguard 3 years ago
Surprisingly enough, the only Canadian team in the league (at the moment, there is another one joining this next season), Toronto FC, has been deemed to have the best fans in the league. Always nice to see Canadians getting behind their teams, although we are clearly outnumbered by our American counterparts. This seems to be an indicator of how much football is really lacking in my country
Hkremixboy (Fiorentina) 3 years ago
I think the USA (in Los Angeles California, at least what I known), is growing pretty fast.... Geography located in South West in the you. S.... Close to the board of Mexico, many Mexicans and central Americans make a big influence for the local on Football...
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
From what I've seen on the highlights of MLS games, Seattle Sounders seem to have the biggest stadium + attendence (the other stadiums are often half empty) and yet their team is average. Anyone mind explaining this phenomenon? Lack of teams from other sports?
Lifeguard 3 years ago
Seattle is one of the "smaller" cities in the US, consequently, it does not have some of the sports other mega cities have, they don't have they ever popular NHL team, their NFL team is mediocre, and I hardly ever hear anything about their baseball team. I am also unsure if they have a basketball team. They are directly south of Vancouver, a Canadian city a few hours drive away which is getting an MLS team this coming season
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Yeah I thought that was the case (not many other professional teams on Seattle).

Cool, didn't know Vancouver is getting a team next season. Seattle vs Vancouver - potential rivalry?

I know there used to be a basketball team Seattle Supersonics back in the 90's when I still followed NBA, not sure if it still exists
Lifeguard 3 years ago
I admit that I do not follow NBA at all, I looked them up on Google instead and found that they do not have the supersonics anymore. They have a hockey team, although it is a minor league team. I don't know if there will be a rivalry, but I hope to see good football nevertheless. Rivalry isn't always bad, a little healthy competition makes the fans happy too
BigShel (Philadelphia Union) 3 years ago
Oh believe me there is already rivalry brewing and plenty of trash talk going aroung since Seattle joined the MLS two seasons ago their main rivals are and forever will be the Portland Timbers and the Vancouver Whitecaps both teams will be comming to the MLS next season and already enjoy a hate hate relationship
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Portland Timbers! What a name...
Marcinny (New York Red Bulls) 3 years ago
It will never get to the top two sports and it will have to fight bitterly with basketball for the third place, assuming that hockey is not that strong.
Yes, the number of Mexicans is certainly having an impact, but there is huge increase of interest among all the Americans, not just Latinos. Also it was never a problem in New York City, because of the large diasporas from Europe, especially the Italians, but also Irish, Polish and others.

Without the Revolution imagine EPL divided in two divisions. With games played in both continents with a off-play phase in the end.

I think that our football is similar to how football used to be played in England when they came to the New World. But I haven't checked this
Lifeguard 3 years ago
I think the fact that the MLS is gaining recognition in the US and Canada is a step in the right direction. I agree, it seems doubtful that it will ever be the most popular sport in America, we are just to set in our ways, as I would suppose would be the same, if we introduced a sport like baseball or basketball to England, I just can't see that ever happening
Lifeguard 3 years ago
One more thing to note about Canada is the fact that there is really no set Canadian nationality, rather, we are a country made of many nations. This being said, any footballers produced of high quality will tend to go back and play for their country of origin. For example, Owen Hargreaves, born in Canada, but played for his "home" country, England. Personally speaking, I am of German descent, my mother immigrated to Canada with her parents from Germany. If I were to play for a national team, I almost believe that I would choose to play for Germany for a couple of reasons. First, the possibility of actually reaching the World Cup would be high. Second, imagine being able to meet all your favorite players, and play alongside them. Finally, Canada's national team is not of the high caliber, and does not appeal as much as a quality team such as Germany
Reidscott (Fiorentina) 3 years ago
BTW.... Very nice thread and some excellent and sincere posts by all! We all do love this game no matter from whence we hail. One of the best things about this site is how many friends I have made and lives I have had the pleasure to be a part of.... The simple fact of being able to hob-nob with fellow wizards all over the world and from every kind of background gives me a truely wonderful cultural experience on a daily basis and it always brings me back to the knowingness that we all have more in common than apart. That is the beauty of footytube and the beautiful game.... It brings us together.... And that ain't a bad thang. Peace
BigShel (Philadelphia Union) 3 years ago
Riedscott that's a mouthful and al true to boot. I am and old soul like yourself and truely stand in amazement when I see the diversity that is footytube and it has been a great honor to have been a part of it from the first day I joined. I still fondly remember the days of the NASL or North American Soccer league and asa child went to see the likes of Pele Chinaliga and Beckenbauer play for the New York Cosmos as a teen. Yeah I really am that old lol. But the football and it's global reach is just insane today and I am glad I am witnessing it
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
I completely agree, footytube is amazing! I joined some time ago, just to watch the highlights, and I have only recently noticed the lively boards full of interesting discussion. Love the vibe here!
Borg (Manchester United) 3 years ago
I very much agree with everything Sheldon has said about soccer in the US. From my point of view the state of soccer in this country is frustrating. Something people around the world should know is that Americans absolutely love sports. We seem to cherish baseball even though it is the most boring/least athletic sport to watch lol. Beyond that american football is soooo huge. Every team has a very loyal fanbase and stadiums AT least 60, 000 cap. As sheldon said our players overseas are doing very well. The problem presented is that individuals talents move overseas and the MLS loses potential stars and hence growth. For example in my state of minnesota we have no pro team! Also, Unfortunately the youth development systems favor upper/middle class kids who can afford to play on the summer clubs and pay the fees including travel costs, camps, etc. Where-as there isn't much serious interest from the lower income population which I see as a problem. I think the younger generations will accept soccer more basically due to increasing hispanic population as well as the slow decay of baseball's popularity.

Some keys for growth in the US:
1. Continued success of individuals and national team
2. Hosting the WC
3. Overhauling youth development system
4. Continue 'USA tours' by top european clubs
5. Give it time, the revolution is coming and we just need a spark: winning the WC!

The good news is the soccer fans we do have here are very passionate individuals and we aren't afraid to share our knowledge with our peers. I sparked interest in a lot of people from my dad to roommates to classmates.

Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Interesting observation about the class differences.... That's really a shame, it's kind of missing the point of football as it was never an elitist sport (like tennis or golf), but rather the one for the working classes
BigShel (Philadelphia Union) 3 years ago
@Borg thanks for mentioning that key element. As long as our system is upside down there will always be a lack of aggresssion and skill with american players
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Football is a sport for the rich and the poor, its for sure not elitist or associated with any class of the populations. Which is why I love it so much and what it brings to people unity and friendship inbetween racism and corruption and bad economic times which stress people out. And its a game for both sexes to enjoy and get a feelgood factor from.... Viva Football!
Borg (Manchester United) 3 years ago
Thanks guys! Big shel you're right on the money again. With the development system we have, which i've experienced first-hand, it stresses athletic strength/endurance first and foremost and the creativity of the game is thrown at the wayside. Great thread everyone
Hill (Arsenal) 3 years ago
I think where the class difference comes into play is at the collegiate level. All the youth club teams I played for in Minnesota were mainly comprised of what we would deem "lower" class. Since MLS relies quite strongly on the college level to draft their players, these kids don't have the same opportunities. They get screwed over because they can't afford to go to school to play football. This happens for two reasons IMO. 1) There are very few men's Division 1 footy programs (the highest level of college competition) in the USA. 2) They do not offer scholarships at the D3 level, where the majority of the men's programs lie. This hurts the lower income kids because without the scholarships they cannot afford to play a higher level of football. If a kid is a good player, but did not go All-State, All-Conference, and did not play 4 years of varsity level in high school, then they have no chance to get the scholarship at the D1 level. At the D2 level they offer scholarships but not nearly the same amount at the D1 level. Also, most D2 and D3 schools are private institutions, which really raises the tuition cost. All of this adds up to screw over those who are good players, but just cannot afford to have the same opportunities.

Sadly Darkinja, competitive football in the United States is geared more towards those who can afford to pay for it
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Oh thats' sad to read. Yeah scholarships and drafts are a huge thing there in your nation. And I see how it works and on the flipside how it fails. In Europe you just buy a ball and play, practice and practice, and make your local park team. Which in turn is often scouted by bigger clubs and players are given trials and if they work out theyll be signed. Then its onwards and upwards if you're talented enough. Regardless if you don't even have 1 single kuna, euro, dollar to your name. Aww such a pity
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Really saddens me to hear that. Sounds so cold and calculated. I prefer the European system, as Darkinja explained. Although in Croatia, a lot of times you need to have a "connection" or an influential family member to make it. I played for one of Dinamo's youth teams when I was a kid (9-11), and then came a point where they dropped all the kids who didn't have someone to "vouch" for them (unless they were really insane players). Of course, when talented players get scouted at the older levels, this doesn't matter anymore
Hill (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Yup, very systematic. Maybe that is why the USA national team looks so rigid with only a couple creative minds on the pitch (Donovan and Dempsey)
BigShel (Philadelphia Union) 3 years ago
Yeah Darkinja and Markodon most American kids do not play Pelada or pickup games everything is structured. When you go to a local park you do see men and women playing footy but it is always groups of people who have imigrated from other countries but often their kids do not get involved with youth football (Money issue again?) I have taken my daughters to some of the pickup games and asked if they could play and they have been recieved with open arms but when I asked some of their teammates parents if they wanted their kids to come out also I was greeted with incredulous looks. The same parents would not think twice if their kid played pick up basketball though, so yeah there is still a huge cultural divide when it comes to the sport here in the US. I saw a kid last winter playing in a futsal league who was so superior with his touch and ball control at 10 I instantly knew he was not American born. After asking a few questions I was told by my daughter he had moved here from Colombia. Just some small examples of the uphill battle we face here in the US
Nippro (Tottenham Hotspur) 3 years ago
Man no wonder european countries have brilliant football  The scouting is as simple as that  I wish I was playing there shyte
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
BigShel, you make a good point. You can tell a lot about the country's sporting culture just by looking at kids in the park. When I was a kid, I played footy literally every day on the school grounds, often you couldn't even play because all of the fields would be occupied. Now I live in the Netherlands and I see the same thing, maybe a bit less on the street, but many boys here join some kind of team as early as kindergarten. All in all, the exposure to football in Europe is immense.

The thing that I wonder about is, how come some people in America get the football/soccer frenzy (like you and your fellow US footytubers) while others stay completely resistant to it. I guess it's a pointless question, but it's pretty fascinating stuff
BigShel (Philadelphia Union) 3 years ago
For me it was exposure to many people of different culture in my workplace. One of the most common ways to interact at work is to talk about yesterday's game as many of my co-workers constantly talked about football I became curious and just started joining in the conversations. Also many Americans who still have strong ties to their countries of Origin say german Italian or other still gravitate to the sport because there is already a family history with the game. Not to mention the strong ties to the game in the hispanic community who's population is growing faster than any other in the US. I am just a naturally curious person and really enjoy the international flavor of footy naturally I also follow formula 1. Unfortunatly most Americans are not interested in anything happening outside our country unless we can win it
Darkinja (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
I like F1 too Shel. Is there any good F1 forums? Or anything similar to this! I'm really keen on F1, and the 2010 season was great! (apart from Bahrain) lol
BigShel (Philadelphia Union) 3 years ago
Darkinja if there was something like footytube for F1 I would probably never leave the house let's pray that never happens. Lol I am a Ferrari fan so Bahrain was a horrible experience for me a very sad weekend.
NerazurriGunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
@BigShel: hahaha yes the heat in Bahrain is awfull when F1 begins over their. But I believe Qatar will do a better job for the World Cup, they are a much better country in aranging big events, unlike Bahrain(no pun intended I mean c'mon I'm your saudi neighbour lol)
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Sorry to break your F1 conversation, I'm gonna' go back to US soccer for a sec.

I would most definitely agree with Borg and Hill on their observation about high level soccer not being affordable for low income families in US. As someone who played college soccer (NCAA D2), I was lucky enough to get mixed athletic-academic scholarship, and cover my expenses of studying and living in US. But what struck me most is that at my college soccer program as most successful (national champs in 2006, finalists in 2008, and six NCAA F4 appearances in last decade), had lower budget for scholarships than women basketball, program that had loosing seasons for lord knows how long and as a sport required much smaller squad than soccer. Now, I am familiar with NCAA rules and "equal opportunities" movement, but it just makes no sense that my college got well over 2 000 000 $ for soccer program winning national title, and that same program does not get any of that money for raising scholarships budget in order to bring in more quality players. NCAA rules simply work against this game, and there would have to be a major changes in college soccer organization in order to provide more opportunities for players from low income backgrounds.

After all, football is "poor" people's game!
ScooterHayes (Chelsea) 3 years ago
The better students and athletes in the United States typically do find their way to college sports on scholarship, though they can't get into decent programs without some money. However, I wouldn't say that is a seriously damning thing; America still can afford to send most of it's athletes and students to college anyway. The majority of really good players are able to go to college at some point. Not to mention the few open tryouts that are held by the academy's every so often.

America needs distractions in it's sports all too often; that's why baseball is still around. Interesting advertising, party food and alcohol are more than enough to keep most amused. That and it drives home tradition, which, in America, is hyped to the point of no return.

Soccer in America is going to struggle until the generation coming up right now can invest it's money, support, and business in it. We grew up with the World Cup, the beginning of the MLS, etc. and we will have the most say as baseball declines. One thing that American sport has going for it is for regular games most can afford to go if they really want to, and all of the areas teams are in have hundreds of thousands of people to draw from in the immediate area, and in some cases more than a million within traveling distances; if soccer could draw even a little more attention, we would be seeing a lot more stadiums sold out and stronger fan bases. Only several stadiums can do that regularly right now, but the MLS doesn't put teams in the system that lack potential. The league is expanding soon. The last expansions have varied in quality on the field, but have had tons of support. Support is what starts a club and lays the foundations, and performance is what sustains a club
Threkstari (Arsenal) 3 years ago
First of all ty to Oh2bagunner for creating a thread like this. It's interesting how I was able to catch up on some history as well
So I am Hungarian (as some of you know by now) which is a small country in Central/Eastern Europe. On the map Markodon posted you can see that we were north of the former Yugoslavia. The national sports in my country are water-polo, handball and football (although the past few decades we faded from our prime in soccer).
So lets start with a bit of history. 1953 november 25. The Hungarian national team (Aranycsapat; translation: Golden Team) defeated the English national football team 6:3 in Wembley Stadium (and 7:1 in the rematch in Budapest). Needless to say the English aren't too happy about this result. My point is that in the 1950's we had a great team which consisted of players such as (1) Grosics Gyula, (2) Buzánszky Jenő, (3) Lóránt Gyula, (4) Lantos Mihály, (5) Bozsik József, (6) Zakariás József, (7) Budai II. László, (8) Kocsis Sándor, (9) Hidegkuti Nándor, (10) Puskás Ferenc (cpt.), (11) Czibor Zoltán....





However we never managed to win the World Cup not once....We were runner-ups several times though but luck was never on our side....Here is a short "CV" of the golden team
-World Record: (June 4, 1950 to Feb 19 1956) 42 victories, 7 draws, 1 defeat ("Miracle of Berne") - 91.0% winning percentage ratio.
-Team Record (June 4, 1950 to July 3, 1954) 31 game undefeated narrative.
-World Record: strongest power rating ever attained in the sport's history using the Elo rating system for national teams, 2166 points (set June 30, 1954).
-World Record: most consecutive games scoring at least one goal: 73 games (April 10, 1949 to June 16, 1957).
-World Record: longest time undefeated in 20th and 21st centuries: 4 years 1 month (June 4, 1950 to July 4, 1954).
-World Record: most collaborative goals scored between two starting players (Ferenc Puskás & Sándor Kocsis) on same national side (159 goals).
-20th Century Record: Hungary manager Gusztáv Sebes holds the highest ratio of victories per game past 30 matches with 82.58% (49 wins, 11, draws, 6 defeats). Brazil legend Vicente Feola (1955–1966) owns the second highest with 81.25 (46 wins, 12 draws, 6 defeats).
-20th Century Record: Most International Goals: Ferenc Puskás (84 goals).
-World Cup Record: 27 goals scored in a single World Cup finals tournament.
-World Cup Record: 5.4 goals-per-match in a single World Cup finals tournament.
-World Cup Record: +17 goal differential in a single World Cup finals tournament.
-World Cup Record: 2.2 goals-per-match average for individual goal scoring in a single World --Cup finals tournament (Sándor Kocsis 11 goals in 5 games).
-World Cup Record: highest margin of victory ever recorded in a World Cup finals tournament match (Hungary 9, South Korea 0 - July 17, 1954).
-World Cup Precedent: first national team to defeat two-time and reigning World Cup champion --Uruguay in a World Cup finals tournament (Hungary 4, Uruguay 2, semi-final — July 30, 1954).
-World Cup Precedent: Sándor Kocsis, first player to score two hat tricks in a World Cup finals tournament (Hungary 8, West Germany 3 - July 20, 1954 & Hungary 9, South Korea 0 - July 17, 1954).
-National Record: Highest margin of victory recorded by Hungarian national team (Hungary 12, Albania 0 - Sept. 23 1950).
-Precedent: first national side from outside the British Isles to defeat England at home since the codification of association football in 1863, a span of 90 years (Hungary 6, England 3, see "Match of the Century" - Nov. 25 1953).
Hungary's 7-1 win over England in Budapest the next year is still England's record defeat.
-Precedent: first national side in the world to eclipse a 1888 Scottish record of being undefeated in 22 consecutive matches (32 games).
-Precedent: first non-South American national side to defeat Uruguay (Hungary 4, Uruguay 2, semi-final — July 30, 1954), breaking a 17 game Uruguayan unbeaten run against non-South American competition dating from May 26, 1924.
-Precedent: first national side to defeat the Soviet Union at home (Hungary 1, Soviet Union 0 - Sept. 23 1956).
-Precedent: first national team in history to simultaneously host the No.1 and No. 2 world record holders for most goals scored internationally (Ferenc Puskás 84 goals, Sándor Kocsis 75 goals) from May 11, 1955 to October 14, 1956.
-Team Record vs. Elo Ranked Opponents: (June 4, 1950 - Oct. 14 1956), vs. World Top 10 ranked opponents: 11 wins, 2 draws, 1 loss / vs. World Top 5 opponents: 4 wins, 0 draw, 1 loss.

As time passed though we faded out of the footballing community (insert sad face) but the past 5 years or so we are starting to climb back up (insert hopeful face)....Szalai played in the Real Madrid Castilla, Németh played for the Liverpool reserve team, Gera is still epic ....So there are a few players in there who can make a difference....But most of them are still young....
Its interesting how we got where we are now though....The MLSZ (Magyar Labdarúgó Szövetség; translation: Hungarian Football Association)....Got some funds together (minimal) and promoted firms tht scout young talent and sell them to the academies of actual clubs....For a profit of course....However while there is the transition period when the young player is "owned" by this scouting firm they are obliged to train them....The first few years these actions generated quite some profit but these firms mainly operated in the region....So the firm had an idea: why not go global?....But they didn't know if the talent they have is good enough so they arranged a match between a team they put together and the reserve team of tht years winner of the Hungarian League....I can't remember the score but I know that the scouting firm won the game....Well after that they did go global and now they are feeding the academies of bigger teams....
It started to pay off the past few years with the U21 team performing really well and now some of these youngsters are starting to be promoted in the senior team which is good for us and good for them (they need the experience after all)....

Well thts my 10 cents in the thread....If you dun understand smth pm me and ill edit the post to make it more comprehensible...
Oh2bagunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Thanks threk.... Puskas defintely the name that stands out.... Hungary should have won it in 1954....

The amount of world cup/world records are astonishing btw.
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Threkstari, Hungary was a true football superpower in those times, whatever happened to them in the last few decades? Completely off the map. But like you said, hopefully better times are ahead.

I must admit I know next to nothing about football of the 50's, 60's and so on, but obviously I've heard the names Puskas and Kocsis.

Also, those statistics look impressive, you must be pissed you didn't witness the Hungarian glory days
Threkstari (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Well I've seen the Hungary vs England tape a few years ago.... Man we raped thm at Wembley lol.... But thts all
And actually Markodon I'm not tht pissed I didn't see thm in their glory days cus thn I know I wud be pissed they didn't win a WC.... LoL
We also beat Italy 3-1 right after they won the WC lol.... Some Gera magic....
I think there are better times coming for us.... I'm expecting alot from Szalai as he has shown a few flicks of brilliance (eg: his goal against San Marino from practically the half-way line was astonishing).... With our now newly promoted senior players gelling in i'd like to see a Hungary vs Croatia match just for the fun of it and a Hungary-Croatia EC wud be cool.... We have the roads built after all
Imagine the reception of the foreigners whn they realize our languages are not even vaguely related.... Lol.... .... Oops sorta got off topic there but oh well
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Yeah I got reminded of the disastrous Hungary-Croatia bid for Euro 2012, I guess they were some incompetent people in the delegation! But we should definitely repeat it. That would be a good boost for Hungarian football and also people in Croatia would go crazy if there was a Euro here. Good point about the languages, but then again which other language is like Hungarian? (sometimes I think you guys are aliens when I hear you speak )
Threkstari (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Well Markodon.... The EC bid of Hungary-Croatia was actually deemed far better thn the Poland-Ukraine one.... The reason Poland-Ukraine won it though->Larger economy with larger profitability
I'm not hating on Poland nor Ukraine cus hey they deserved it as well but alot of times we have to remember tht football is a business....

Well yeah our language (as I like to put it) is fvcked up.... We are originally finno-ugric based language but due to the 1000 year of effects in the Carpathian pool I dun understand Estonian and Finnish anymore.... If you think about it Hungary had effects from the Avar tribes tht were originally situated in the Carpathian pool (b4 we entered and told thm: "this IS MA house").... Thn we had some Slavic language effects whn the ottoman empire was pushing many nationalities up from the south.... Thn we had some Turkish effect frm the 150 years of ottoman occupation.... Thn we had some German effect from the Austria-Hungary era.... So yeah our language is as fvcked as a language can be.... .... Makes us feel special lol
Lifeguard 3 years ago
I admit I am not familiar with many non-modern players in the game, except for the few outstanding ones known to all, therefore, my knowledge of many players prior to my time is quite sparse. One notable Hungarian that I became familiar with and was a favorite of mine on Fifa 06, was Szabics - he played for Koln in the German Bundesliga. He seemed another very good talent that Hungary has produced, a few more players like him, and Hungary may have had another run in the World Cup
Threkstari (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Lifeguard.... Szabics was a good player for club.... But not tht astonishing for country....
Thts why I added Gera and not Szabics.... Bcus Gera rly did put the standards high.... Another player who seems to be hitting his prime atm is Dzsudzsák.... He plays for PSV Eindhoven and he scored 3 goals in 6 national appearances just the 2010-2011 season....
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Threkstari - yeah tell me about it mate, szsabeletem serzemkeremkes (that's how hungarian sounds to me!).
Anyways, about the our joint Euro bid. I know what the situation was, I followed the events obviously. Poland, and especially Ukraine (read Rinat Akhmetov, Shakhtar's president and one of the richest Europeans) had a much stronger lobby - so no real surprise there. I was referring to our idiotic FA president who had all of Croatia convinced that Euro 2012 in Croatia/Hungary was a done deal. Little did we know.... What was it again? 0 votes!
Threkstari (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Markodon.... It seemed like a done deal tbh.... The 1 round we got the most votes and it seemed like italy was losing out.... And all the ppl who voted for turkey and the other lobby tht fell out seemed keen on our lobby.... However in teh second round all the financial predictions are considered too and in tht sense we are a small economy....
Hkremixboy (Fiorentina) 3 years ago
I am orginal from Hong Kong. People in there enjoy to watch, talk and play football. Majority of them are in favor of EPL (I guess because the British influcence), some of us watch Serie A, La Liga etc. We are not good at ANY kind of sport on 3 facts:

1) The parents did not support football because they concern about football is not a job and even they make to the pro-footballer, they don't have enough $ to earn themselves.

2)The government did not support ANY kind of sport.... However, they can import sport talents from China or other country

3) Hong Kong is a very small place (lack of football filed) and they live in a very busy life that do not even have time to work out, run etc.

With all the facts, basically our national team is out of local talent.... We import players from China, Africa, Braszil and a few local players.... I think if the government and parents support football, put them to the football school in Europle when they are young, I believe our people can be as talent as the footballer in Europle.... It is becuase the system and culture never workout in football...
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
I think the 3rd reason is the main one, HK is simply too small. But do you have a club that competes in the Chinese league? Or is there a separate league just for HK teams? Including local clubs in the Chinese league would probably be a good way of getting the quality of football up
Threkstari (Arsenal) 3 years ago
HK is a great place though....
I've been there a couple of times.... IT'S HEAVEN->low prices, night market, bargaining, nice women, nice clubs and the list goes on lol
And macau is like 2 hrs by boat....

Nyways back to football.... Its relatively easy to get a HK i'd card isn't it HKremixboy? So importing players could be a viable alternative.... Just improve the scouting and you guys can be a pretty neat national team....
Hkremixboy (Fiorentina) 3 years ago
To Markodon:

Unfortunately Hong Kong Clubs do not connected to Chinese league, however they allow the small Chinese clubs to join in the Hong Kong league.... I would wish that the Hong Kong Clubs can compete in Chinese League. This is why we lost lots of local talents.

To Threkstari:
Hong Kong is a great place for tour few days, if you stay more than a week. You probably feel pretty bored because the people, buildings, shopping mall etc. Looks the same, however if you are gamer, this is a haven for you cause they have lots of new Arcade games import from Japan.... (now I am in Los Angeles, California, different life)

It's easy to get a HK i'd card if you live in Hong Kong for 7 years (I don't know if I still have the correct info now), back to the football.... We probably similar to Singapore, No local players, majority of import players
Somere (Portmore Utd) 3 years ago
I am a jamaica and if you know history you would know we gained independence from the united kingdom in 1962. If it had remain the same I don't think there would have been much of a difference in sports as we still practice and dominate in the sports that we inherited from the British way of life. At cricket we are a top team in the caribbean and we are probably the sixth best team in football in the concacaf devision and the number one in the world when it comes to sprinting.

But I have to admit we could have been better in football. Because of the split players had to choose sides and most of them choose england.
English players such as theo walcott, aaron lennon, darren bent, shawn wright-phillips and liverpool legend john barnes are all jamaicans.
I have to say if some of these players were in jamaica they most likely would have turned to sprinting.

Possible team if we were still under british rule

----------------------------Donovan rickets-------------

Tyrone mears----Tyrone Marshal-----Ian goodison----ricardo Gardner

SWP--------------------Dane Richards---------------------Walcott

--------shelton----------------bent-------------------fuller
Oh2bagunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
No use of the Offside trap when you play jamaica.... Good team man
Charliehenry (Arsenal Arsenal Arsenal) 3 years ago
As a gooner I never knew Walcott was part Jamaican.... Nice. I'm sure Lennon would have been a starter too over Shelton
Somere (Portmore Utd) 3 years ago
I think Lennon would start over fuller and not Shelton.
Shelton is probably the best goal scorer out of the Caribbean in a while.
30 goals in 50 internationals.
There were rumors over the summer that Shelton was going to Barcelona after guardiola was impressed by him.


Link: www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2010/07/30/2048492/b...
Hill (Arsenal) 3 years ago
What about Omar Cummings? He's been a fantastic Jamaican international and really good for the Colorado Rapids
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Jamaica, Jamaica! Damn man, that would be a powerful team! I loved watching Jamaica in 98 WC! And Jamaican female fans, uffff!
BigShel (Philadelphia Union) 3 years ago
Lol so I guess my next two trips need to be Hong Kong and then back to Jamacia
3 years ago
Anyone here know anything about Jason Morrison, Jamaican international? He plays for Norwegian side Stromsgodset but is currently on trial at Leeds United
Maestro7 (Manchester United) 3 years ago
I'm Jamaican and I didn't know that Walcott and the rest were Jamaican, except for John Barnes I knew that.... And I believe you left out Andy Cole. (maybe that's why he and Yorke understood each other so well. Cause they're both from the Caribbean) Believe it or not his father is Jamaican so I think he would be right beside Bent btw great job Somere, I don't think I would have done such a good job on Jamaica.

@Netnerd he is a Jamaican international he's been on our team since 2005. He's a great little player lots of potential but shows it when he's ready. If he were to get in at Leeds he would do great trust me
3 years ago
Nice one Maestro, thanks for that. Reports are that he's impressing so far, so we shall see if they decide to take him on
BonitoJoga (Barcelona) 3 years ago
Haha, canada probably wouldn't have gotten anywhere
Somere (Portmore Utd) 3 years ago
Hargreaves
Booba (Newcastle United) 3 years ago
I like canda players
Lifeguard 3 years ago
Canada has made one appearance at the World Cup in 1986, where the performance was dismal, losing all three games, and failing to score a goal. I am hopeful we will make another appearance either this next Finals, or the next, no later, and we will perform much better
Booba (Newcastle United) 3 years ago
I like it
NerazurriGunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Me too
NerazurriGunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Will try to talk about my country(Saudi Arabia) and hope it interests you :
So we are a country in the gulf region/central arabia, middle east and our main sport is soccer since we are not really interested in any other type of sport. We have a population of about 27 Million BUT not all are even Saudies. Around 15 Million are natives and the other 12 Million immigrant foreign workers. These workers "move" abroad in our country to find "better money/wages", they challenge themselves for the better BUT our saudi players don't bother to even move abroad when the chance for a "better career" arises because of their huge salaries in the local league. You see how the Foreigners for example try to get what's best for their lives, BUT our soccer players don't? I think we should imitate this characteristic! As an economist along with looking at how my country functions, I do trully believe that money talks! Our players don't bother to move abroad, because they're too lazy to even try to move + they already get a huge wage/salary in the local league. So why leave to the usual swiss, Dutch greek, and english championship & rarely EPL teams that usually call for our players, right? I mean your only going to lose money, but I believe in soccer that's not everything, especially for saudies since they can always come back if they aren't doing financially well abroad; they should at least TRY! Since a lot had many chances to move to europe to improve themselves, but did not.
So are our natural resources really a blessing? Yes for our economy's well being, BUT it destroys our sportsmanship and love for the sport/soccer over the years. In the past, we've been to four consistent World Cups from 1994 to 2006, unfortunately everyone only remembers our 8-0 embarrasing loss against Germany in 2002, but no one knows anything about our great achievement in 1994 WC passing our group stage in 2nd with Holland narrrowly above us, then we beat Belgium in the round of 16 and eventually lost to Sweden in the Quarter Finals, yep that's as far as we got in a WC! One of the goals made by my country stands among one of the best goals in a World Cup, you need to watch it, here's the link:




I Hope people will remember something great we did like this at least lol. Anyways, my point is that there was more sportsmanship in the past(notice how our world cup peformances deteriorated as times passed?). I think during the 1994 days; oil prices weren't really THAT high, now it increased greatly, so by exporting oil our GDP just sky rocketed and we became really rich; every citizen got rich/decent and over the years made them too satisfied with life to even have an incentive to improve their soccer skills in europe. That's why I believe we were better in the past. And That's one huge problem in how our wealth affected our love for the sport. For Example, our players now always play better for their clubs because money motivates them but play awfully for the national team, and thus, there's no honor for the national team.
So our main flaw is: NOT trying TO improve WHEN WE HAVE THE chance! We even have the most Asian Cups won with 4(we've always had the potential)!...Now look at South Korea, Japan, etc....All have players growing in europe, and our players had chances to move to europe even before the koreans and japanese players entered european clubs. It's just sad, but props to japan and Korea for the sake of improving and challenging themselves, and look at the results: Kagawa(BVB), Park(Man United), Lee(Bolton), Morimoto(CAT), etc...
Now about our players, LOL won't bother putting them since non of you probably know any, but I can add something interesting if I include history in our squad. The ottoman empire used to rule parts of saudi arabia, until my country got its independence from the ottomans due to our King Saud bin Abdulaziz who fought against them, notice his name as "saud" which refers to our country's name "saudi" arabia, since he's the founder and uniter. Anyways, the Ottoman empire ruled southern parts of europe(Turkey, Bosnia, bulgaria, Cyprus) and north africa(egypt,Libya,Tunisia,Algeria)- all these countries are islamic which united them in the past although cyprus and Bulgaria only had a minority; the empire even had more countries I think-check ottoman empire map for more clarity if you want......Let's say that empire existed along with Saudi today, we would probably have a nice looking squad, lol Imagine Zidane and Nasri not switching their alliance to France and chose algeria ....Not to mention the other stars in my country along with egypt and bosnia.
To wrap it up, I know I sound like my country is doomed in soccer lol...But maybe not anymore? We've got rid of the players we constantly used in the recent world cups since they got old and their egos leading them to embarras us on the next World Cups after 1994, but our team's very young now and ambitious who have only narrowly lost against Spain's first team 3-2 for example right before the World Cup...And so far barely lost any games. Overall, never implied that we're really bad, we're a very decent team and one of the best in Asia over the years, it's just that we had so many chances to improve, but did not exploit the many chances... WHY? Lol....Just hope these youngsters don't eventually follow the footsteps of their predecessors and end up not challenging themselves when they got nothing to lose. Sorry if it seems unclear, wrote too fast

Current best player is: Yasser Al-Qahtani = Was important in our run to the final in the last Asian cup...Goals against japan were sick!(where we won )....But Iraq won in the final against us... Still, it's all good...Wouldn't mind our Iraqi brothers to bring some deserved happiness in their land
Oh2bagunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Saudi Arabia always makes middle east proud I have to say.... Best representative Imo From the Gulf region For football.... Also Sami al Jaber a true legend
NerazurriGunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Yes and he was also a product of the "past" nothing as classy comes out from our league today; at least Sami Al Jaber was a player that tried in Wolves and did pretty good!.... Also have the same name lol.... Good to know that you know about him
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Interesting read. Don't get me wrong, but I met quite a lot of Saudi people in the past, and they were all very materialist and obsessed with money. Most of them were also interested in football. So I guess what you're saying makes sense, the football players put money in front of challenge, fame, etc. That's pretty sad.

Anyways, I remember the USA '94, that was the first WC I watched, and Saudi Arabia were suprisingly good! But like you said, things started going downhill from there. Sorry for being harsh, but on the last few cups they played in, they didn't look like a serious team and seemed unprepared - like they came to play footy in the park! Since they represent whole of middle east, I think they need to step up their game.... At least by 2022, where they will have a chance to shine on the home turf (practically, Qatar is right in the neighbourhood)
NerazurriGunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Don't sweat it, we have mutual criticisms and they're all spot on!, hope our youngsters make us proud in the future though!
Hkremixboy (Fiorentina) 3 years ago
If your country's local clubs have a lot of money, why can't your country's local club send the youngsters to European Clubs and develop a better skills.... You guys have lots of good chances, and with all the money you guys have.... Should think about invest the youngster to get high level instead of "stay the same"...
BigShel (Philadelphia Union) 3 years ago
Nerazurri thanks for that and for sure I remember the team from the 94' cup well what a great run. I hope to see a resurgence of the beautiful game in your country for sure and hopefully they will make a good showing in Qatar!
NerazurriGunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
@Hkremixboy: Excellent question! Because it's the players themselves who don't want to leave, and MOST of the time our local clubs are greedy and offer them a huge salary at a young age to not tempt them to leave (We must fix this issue!). Even our local clubs don't bother to improve our national team!, sending the youngsters should be a priority.... But just like the EPL.... Clubs are clubs and a country is a country.... Don't really help each other to improve the national team (sorry, not trying to be harsh on the english fans) like in Spain or Italy.... Although I love the EPL don't get me.

@BigShel: it's a pleasure! Would love to hear more from people in this forum, and thank you, good luck to United States soccer too!
Marcinny (New York Red Bulls) 3 years ago
It will never happen in a rich country. Great footballers if not from Europe will come from poorer countries. It is their way out, the ticket to fame and money when everything else fails.

My question for our Saudi friend is, do you imagine any pan-Arab league? How would that change football in your country?
Hkremixboy (Fiorentina) 3 years ago
To NerazurriGunner:

I think you make a point that the English player and Saudi player are in the same situations: High salary, poor performance in national team and don't go outside of their circle!
NerazurriGunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
@Marcinny: I already explained how a Pan-Arab country can improve the national teams, but your question is about a league.... Same thing I guess.... If that were to happen, our income would be spread to a very very large population, so I'm sure there will be those "poorer" people to actually want to move and become famous and better, etc.... The Saudi league is among the best in Asia and many of it's clubs won the AFC(uefa champions league of Asia).... So maybe a unification of leagues will only "slightly" improve our situation, but in the case of a national team, it will improve it greatly!

@Hkremixboy: Perfectly said!, couldn't have said it any better
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
What surprises me most is that Saudi Arabian FA does not use money they posses, and invest in a strong domestic competition. You can find a bunch of talented players from third world countries that would come to middle East for an opportunity to earn well. This would also increase quality of football in domestic league, therefore Saudi players would have more competitive environment, which is the best formula for producing quality players.

There have been attempts of middle Eastern countries to bring in big stars and raise popularity of their leagues, but I believe that is a wrong path to go. Money should be invested in young players that are looking for a breakthrough in world's football (like Dutch league, which is known for producing talents). There is a large number of South American, African and Eastern European players that would definitely come and play in middle eastern counties. This project would take years to develop though, and it seems to me that there is no patients in these countries, and since they have money they want to create strong competitions over the night
Nippro (Tottenham Hotspur) 3 years ago
Well I wouldn't say all are bad
For instance I've been following your Yasser al-qahtani. In his prime he was a beast but I dunno where he's now
Maybe your right, lackening of passion
Nippro (Tottenham Hotspur) 3 years ago
*sorry for double posts
NerazurriGunner (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Yes, Yasser is still a Beast! Especially in the last Asia cup when we reached the final! His goals against japan(which we won) were important and also his many other goals throughout the competition.... It's just that the rest don't seem too passionate.... That's why we adore yasser.... Anyone with at least "some" passion makes us idolize him because it's kind of rare to find that in our team.... In other words, yasser needs the help of the other players.... He can't do it all alone upfront.... Just look at Torres for example



   
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