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Should A Player's Personal Life Indiscretions Matter?
Marcinny (New York Red Bulls) 3 years ago
Statement

I like a player who is honest on the pitch. Who does not dive, does not do dirty tackles. Someone who accepts his blame, who stands up for team mates as well as for adversaries. Someone who doesn't run with his mouth, who takes defeats with grace and is modest in victory.

I hate cheaters, goals by hand, aggressivity behind ref's back and those who fake being hurt.

If they cheat their wives, girlfriends and friends: I don't care. I am a football fan and not a fan of family, love and other relationship drama. I am here to discover great players not honest husbands. Just like in my personal life, I don't look for friends who know how to kick a ball, but for people with integrity and character. I think it is a clear divide and anyone who can't make a distinction is watching too much TV and not living enough his own life
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
The beauty of football is that you can tell what kind of person a player is just by watching him on the pitch. You don't have to be a genious to realize that CR7 is a spoiled brat, Kaka a well mannered guy, Eduardo a humble a guy and Joey Barton an individual with serious mental problems. There is absolutely no need to start bringing their personal life matters into the scope because, if for no better reason, they won't reveal anything that you didn't already know
Juno (AC Milan) 3 years ago
Agrees...
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
In my opinion, if player is performing on the field and his off field activities do not affect his contractual duties (missing practices and matches), no one should have right to get involved in player's private matters.

Unfortunately we live in a what I would call "shallow" world where athletes (as well as other celebrities) are idolized and put on pedestal, even though they are regular people, and only thing separating them from rest of us is their talent. Why the heck should anyone care or be affected by Rooney cheating on his wife, or does Beckham look better in Hugo Boss or D&G underwear, unless it conflicts with what they really are, a football players
Juno (AC Milan) 3 years ago
Its starting to become a joke. This morning I just saw a piece of news on channel 9: " Beckham down under" which really means David Beckham is in Australia....

Why is that a news? Is he Prince William?
Marcinny (New York Red Bulls) 3 years ago
Of course not. I bet Beckham gets more publicity in many places
Juno (AC Milan) 3 years ago
Yeah, but like I say, if people are interested because he's in town, then its gotta' mean a whole lot bigger news for paparazzi if they have a scope or insight on his or some footballer's private life. Its intrusion! LOL
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
It is a bit sad fact that Beckham is most popular player in the world in past decade, even though there is many better footballers than him. Don't get me wrong, I consider Beckham a good player, but definitely not as good as amount of attention he gets. Quite honestly, there is no bigger turn off but when some girl you just met states that Beckham is a best footballer in the world!
Reidscott (Fiorentina) 3 years ago
Gotta' side with Ant on this one. It shouldn't but does. I have always cheered on and respected the " cleaner " athlete more than the " dirty " one.... I do respect talent and ability but I do take in to consideration the off field actions as being part of who they are as well. It does color my feelings for them as someone I admire or look up to as decent person. Maybe that says more about me than them but so be it
Marcinny (New York Red Bulls) 3 years ago
I will never get this. Do you have the same expectations from musicians, painters or actors?
FORZAJUVEPIERO (Juventus) 3 years ago
If any player does anything illegal, repercussive action against the player is warranted. Beyond that, your job should not be affected by off field and personal issues. As long as the player's performance is not effected by them, the club has no business using them as reasons to stop playing a player. That being said, if a manager wants to remove a player's captaincy because he is not behaving like a captain should, he has every right to do so. Corporate sponsors too.company's are buying an image of these players and if they do not want to be associated with them, they can do so. And to go of Juveseria said, players need to realize that their popularity brings about responsibility towards their fans and the people that support them. They need to prove they are worthy of the praise and adulation they receive from their fans. They are representing a football culture that is far bigger than just them so their actions affect a lot of people
Juveseria (Juventus) 3 years ago
It's a hard question to answer. Generally we would say no and I would tend to agree with that. However players have to realise that their popularity brings about a responsibility and that is the be a role model to those in the community. These players have recieved a fantastic opportunity to play football to earn a living and in return they must give something back by staying out of trouble. However if a player is not breaking the law and has simply split up with his wife or the like, then no. I don't think it matters because it is their personal life and the media and public will only make a harder situation for the player to return on. Good question. Cheers
Unmecenfrance (Lille) 3 years ago
The only thing I can add to this is the fact that I am thrilled not to live in England, so that I don't have to see all the tabloids delving into footballers' private lives if I don;t go searching for them (which I don't). So I have no idea what Rooney's offenses (if they are to be categorized as such) or any other player's are. The only thing that lowers a player in my esteem is his performance on the pitch. Rooney has looked anything but inspired on the pitch when he's been given the chance, and it obviously has more to do with than just a bad run of form.... That happens to everyone, bar none. You can see it in his willingness to perform.... He was sluggish, lazy and unattentive; all qualities no one would ever attribute him. That shows a lack of focus, a lack of will and a lack of drive, which is the ONLY thing we as fans have the right to be critical of in a player. What Rooney or any other player does in his private life if off limits to us, and the media's ever present sensationalizing of players' private lives is sickening. Let footballers be celebrities for their on field presence alone. Maybe then they'll cage their egos off of it.

Of course it goes without saying that if a player is engaging in illegal activities anywhere, that is just as unacceptable as if it were me or you; there should be no sliding scale of more right or more wrong. If I were to fix matches, it would be no more or less wrong than if a referee or a player were to do so, and there should be no difference in punishment. (though obviously I don't have shoe deals to worry about, but that's business and advertising, not football.... It belongs outside of the sphere of sports)
KTown (1. Kaiserslautern) 3 years ago
Drdownundermum (Charlton Athletic) 3 years ago
It must be strange to have your life made into a peepshow for the paparazzi and media etc, but that is why players, are players with financial security cocoon and our interest in them is kinda being bought.

Juno (AC Milan) 3 years ago
But few signed up to gain this side of paparazzi I guess. David Beckham courted them, so its full retribution that his infidelity is found. Who else wanted so much unwanted news? Maybe Ronaldo. Most footballers set out to play football first, or even money comes first. Not these.

Humans can't help but stray. Its wrong to start a war, to kill. How many people has died in war? We can't stop it but that doesn't mean we condone war.
We can't stop niggling bar brawls, infidelities, and lots of other things. But if it's not job related or crime related, we should leave footballers to live a life of their own, instead of suggesting footballers to exercise discretion and be a saint which most man aren't. Leave them alone
ScooterHayes (Chelsea) 3 years ago


This would be a good example of a players attitude transferring onto the field and hurting the team.

What's worse is it's not exactly like these guys have had that much time to get at each others throats.... It's silly!
Fromtheisland (Toronto) 3 years ago
Just lost alot of respect for ibra. He has just arrived at teh San siro and he is already pulling this crap. He should be conducting himself like a professional with a business like state of mind, not a giant douche. I could never stand team mates like this who wann f**k around. You no if I wasnt a team player or seedroof I would have knocked that son of bitch in the mouth
Pragathish (AC Milan) 3 years ago
Its just a joke...Well,but a nasty joke...Strasser's friend says so... Link: fotboll.expressen.se/internationellt/1.2138299/str...

And here's another piece of Ibra's modesty and professionalism:


Translated convo: Link: www.thelocal.se/29032/20100916/?

I think I can't contain it...Ibra is a massive arrogant jerk.I wonder how he would have been in his teens... :O
Pragathish (AC Milan) 3 years ago
And coming to the topic : Do these off the field drama matter? Not at all, as long as he proves it on the field.
Milan fans are literally helpless now.... Should I hate him for this, or love him for what he does in the pitch?
ScooterHayes (Chelsea) 3 years ago
Well, if Strasser's side is true, I guess it's a legit response. Okay, Ibra, you have an peculiar sense of humor, but I'll humor you for now...
Drdownundermum (Charlton Athletic) 3 years ago
I agree that "it" is happening daily and hourly. Of course you can smell it everywhere.
On reflection I think it is the same small proportion of people all repeatedly doing it with each other not the masses.

Does Drogba put it about? I don't think so.

SO does that mean match fixing, betting on one's self and generalised boorishness are OK indiscretions aswell?
Juno (AC Milan) 3 years ago
Match fixing are not. Betting are not. Drugs are not. Anything that's illegal are not. An athlete has a contract binding against them betting football but not Casino I believe. If infidelity is bad, how about betting? Smoking? Late nights in pubs? Drinking alcohol? Bad mouthing referees and players? Fights and tussles on the pitch? Why isn't those activities reported widely? I mean lots of footballers and athlete does those things.

These are human beings we are talking about. Unless the country has a law that criminalise the citizens for infidelity, why should footballers' life be exposed to such extend?

Drogba? Who knows? Did anyone knows Rooney's case before it was reported? Or Terry's or Beckham? Before these guys are picked up by the paparazzi, we were calling them role models. Now? But did they disappoint you? But who and how are we related to them that warrants a disappointment from us? If they did drugs or match fixing, then yeah, we are disappointed because ultimately 'we' are paying their salaries to 'entertain' us with the performances on the pitch. Because when the performance drops that much, we are the one 'paying' to suffer. But who are we (paying fans) to demand that athletes need to be role model in terms of values, conduct and how they live their lifes? We don't base own values and conduct from them, we had our own, they are entitled to theirs.


Drdownundermum (Charlton Athletic) 3 years ago
I am stunned that so many of you seem to think adultery is an everyday occurrence!
Sorry I just don't look upon it as a mere indiscretion.
Trouble is that the complete bastards seem to earn more respect from their fellow man then the loyal gentlemen. However if you accept the players are not robots then it is the coaches job to have his radar switched on and alert to any disonnance that will affect the teams smooth operation
Lyndon (Panathinaikos Athens) 3 years ago
I'm not sure where you are from but don't kid yourself. "Adultery" as you call it or simply cheating on spouses girlfriends etc. Happens daily, weekly and hourly. Lol come join us in the real world ! Not that I am condoning it, but I'm not denying that it happens
Drdownundermum (Charlton Athletic) 3 years ago
OK Rephrase. I am stunned that so many of you "in the football arena" accept adultery as just an indiscretion and not something to truly regret. It is only the hormonally challenged in a quite small age-range who do that stuff. Prove me wrong
Juno (AC Milan) 3 years ago
Okie. You are wrong. lol
ScooterHayes (Chelsea) 3 years ago
I don't think it's acceptable, but it IS an everyday occurrence.... I don't think we've actually heard about half of the actual stuff going on behind the scenes. The only reasons it's "acceptable" is players still control their personal lives. Managers probably go at 20 fph (face-palms an hour) when it comes to the actions of their millionaire playboy employees.

Players should regret it, but they are always going to have managers, other players, and fans prodding them to get past it and score goals for club and country. Something's got to give in that equation. Even couples that hate each other bitterly don't just get over stuff like this quickly. And (if you live in the states like me, where divorces occur at the rate of 3. 6 dpth {divoreces per thousand households, you start to notice this}) even ones that just casually split because they aren't "in-love" with their partner anymore take forever to get over it!

I think managers do insist that players not do anything stupid (which should be like a universal rule btw), but have no way to enforce it. I WISH they would crack down on it so players would get it through their thick skulls that they can't actually do anything they want with 0 repercussions and that life on and off the field actually DO meet at some point
Ltm017 3 years ago
I will say this to answer your question.

If you have a job do drugs, alcohol, have relationship that involve co-workers, attitudes that reflect the company that people know you are employed with and any other outside activities you do.... Affect your job directly or indirectly?

Yes! Remember when companies looked into people facebook to get an idea of what workers or future employers were like.

Tiger Woods.... When he got caught cheating many companies decided they didn't want him as the face for them anymore
ScooterHayes (Chelsea) 3 years ago
I'm amazed at the stupidity of people when they KNOW how much is at risk! Woods was one of the wealthiest athletes in the world. He basically had an empire of sponsors. Athletes should, like any other person in society, manage themselves in a way that won't doom them to failure. These guys really just bait their own hooks.

It's like employers firing you for stuff you put on your facebook. Don't if you can't afford to
Juno (AC Milan) 3 years ago
These are all wealthy men. Where do you expect them to spend the money.... -__-.... Hmm.... There's only so many cars, houses you can buy.... And you honestly think that these man can "manage themselves in a way that won't doom them to failure. "?
ScooterHayes (Chelsea) 3 years ago
The fact that some do (the highest paid ones certainly do) shows it's at least possible. The pro footballer culture is just marred with this kind of stupidity that tarnishes careers...
Ant (Liverpool) 3 years ago
It happens in any job. If I worked with a guy I knew was cheating on his wife or beating his kids, I would have less respect for him. On a football pitch this might turn into a player getting less passes than expected, or losing the captaincy (Terry) or not getting to take penalties or freekicks
Tigermelon (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Well.... What to say? Most is already said. No, we should not care whatever Ronaldo spends his money on or who Rooney spends the night with. But sorry guys: it does matter what a player do after work.
On one hand most of it will in some way have an impact on his (or hers for that matter) performances (whatever anyone says about it, it is not easy to play while you're hangover ), and on the other hand if something is best kept a secret then the press will most definatly find out about it. And well.... Even though there are millions of cheating husbands and people drunk driving, most of them don't make the front page. So most of the time we can pretend like they don't excist, or at least as if they are one small gruop of the community that has nothing to do with us. But football, as the opposite to destroyed marriages and car accidents, is personal. How many hours haven't I wasted on reading, discussing, wathcing and listening to people I don't know or will have the smallest impact on? (I don't even know anyone who work with someone who has a friend who is the cousin of the neighbour to the one who cleans up after Arsenals matches!) And well.... After a time you start taking things personally.... I blush when they stumble in their english and can't help getting a bit angry when they're acting like arrogant brats. The dream about modesty, fairplay and all that just will not let go of me.... And we must all admit that even though some complaining and a couple of rough tackels are a part of the game, no one likes those who spends half their time in the referees ear and the other half braking kneecaps while pretenging going after the ball. And if it's the "deads" of fairplay that counts on the field, then why should it be any different of it? Of course it must be said that the press is harsh, and that Rooney, for an example, is not the first, or the last, to cheat on his wife, but that does noe change the fact that if the stories gets to many then the once so proud sportsman will be reduced to just another scandal-face...
Lyndon (Panathinaikos Athens) 3 years ago
I think if they are being paid as a job and are on contract for everything else they do. Then yes, yes it does matter. But shouldn't matter to us fans. Though it does
ScooterHayes (Chelsea) 3 years ago
I think contractually some players have more control of how they deal with themselves away from work, for instance, players that have open control of their image or an independent agent. Real Madrid players probably get drilled by Madrid to be careful, because Madrid controls their image, and the players have no buffer between them and work (like an agent is). Image control is left open to players in the EPL, and with the crazed english media, the players are easily caught out.

I looked into it, and can you think of the last time you heard a report of a Madrid player in trouble, caught cheating, etc etc? I (meaning "this is my theory") think Madrid players have one hand in in cuffs and the other in a Madrid publicist's palm when it comes to their media.... But I cannot find one report about Madrid players doing something wrong, not that they don't, just they the (probably entirely Madrid-controlled) media has a noose on it.

In most European countries, players don't get the luxury of the press letting them be. England's press is carnivorous when it comes down to exposing players trash. Brazil may be, but then again the players are so wild anything they do may actually be common knowledge before anything else lol...



   
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