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Balkan Affairs
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Haha Croatia, Serbia and Macedonia are in the same group for the Brazil 2014 qualification!
Peteko 3 years ago
It is called "the Yugoslavian group" now.

Although the presence of both Scotland and Wales makes it more like a British-Yugoslavian affair
Macedonian (Napoli) 3 years ago
This reaction from Macedonian Media for this group
Tough group for Macedonia!
Croatia, Serbia, Belgium, Scotland and Wales are Macedonia's opponents in the qualifications for the 2014 FIFA World Cup in Brazil.

Macedonia did not had luck in today's draw in Rio de Janeiro. Ex-Yugoslav fellows and always strong sides Croatia and Serbia are two of the five opponents. Than we have Belgium, a team that hasn't been performing well in the past years but now is slowly coming back to it's old strength. The two British countries, Scotland and Wales, are the last two opponents to make the group the hardest of all. Group A is definitely the qualification's group of death!


Group A
Croatia
Serbia
Belgium
Scotland
Macedonia
Wales

The qualifications will begin in September 2012.

Croatia is not an attractive opponent from pot 1 but they have a solid team that has achieved good results. Most Macedonian fans and also the Football Federation of Macedonia wanted an attractive opponent like Germany or Italy, two teams that Macedonia has never played, but we were once again drawn with Croatia. We recently played in the same group with Croatia during EURO 2008 qualifying. Macedonia won the home game 2:0 in some terrible playing conditions without star player Goran Pandev while we lost 2:1 in Croatia after Brazilian born Eduardo scored a late game winning goal in the 88th minute.

From pot 2, we were drawn with Serbia. Our neighboring country has many players who play their club football for top European clubs but they are an underachieving team. Their biggest problem is in attack where they lack a true difference maker. There have also been issues with the coach Vladimir Petrović who is not very popular with the Serbian fans, especially with some of his player selections.

Belgium is an up and coming team with a lot of young talent. You can make a case that they are the most talented team in this group and will be a formidable opponent for the rest of the national teams in Group A. Now, whether they will be consistent enough remains a question. The league in Belgium continues to improve every year and they have many young players at top European leagues.

In pot 4, Macedonia was once again grouped with Scotland. Keep in mind we were also grouped with Scotland during 2010 FIFA World Cup qualifications. Macedonia won 1:0 at home while Scotland celebrated a 2:0 victory at their place. Macedonia drawing Scotland means the return of the Tartan Army who always create a great atmosphere and showed strong support the last time Scotland played in Macedonia. This time, the Filip II Arena is completely renovated so they will enjoy their visit more.

Finally, Macedonia received the toughest team in pot 6 in Wales. They are led by Tottenham star Gareth Bale who is one of the best young players in the world. They have struggled recently as indicated by being in pot 6 but they can cause problems to what should be an interesting group.

Group A doesn't truly have a dominant team but it should be a close group as any team can beat each other, especially at home. The most consistent team throughout the qualifications will come out on top of this group.

Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Good summary. I wrote something similar in another thread
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
This is tough group man, for anyone in it! I cannot wait for matches against Croatia though, I really want to see how far we came in putting political and nationalistic issues behind us. Last time we played in 1999, it was far from "just a football derby".

I see media putting Croatia vs Serbia as a decider for a first place, but I believe that other teams are capable of doing some serious damage as well.

At the end, I do not want to go "X-files" all over it, but is it not a bit of a coincidence that Croatia and Serbia ended up at the same group exactly at the time when UEFA is pressuring both countries to fight hooligans issues?! Just something that went through my mind when I saw the draw...
Macedonian (Napoli) 3 years ago

Hey I tip in this group Belgium then Chrotia or Serbia

Belgium is an up and coming team with a lot of young talent. You can make a case that they are the most talented team in this group and will be a formidable opponent for the rest of the national teams
Have close look at their team all young and good players I think they will create upset in this group they are all good young players plaing in good clubs

1 GK Simon Mignolet 29 August 1988 (1988-08-29) (age 22) 3 0 Sunderland
12 GK Jean-François Gillet 31 May 1979 (1979-05-31) (age 32) 6 0 Bologna
GK Thibaut Courtois 11 May 1992 (1992-05-11) (age 19) 0 0 Atlético Madrid

2 DF Laurent Ciman 5 August 1985 (1985-08-05) (age 25) 5 0 Standard Liège
3 DF Daniel Van Buyten (vice-captain) 7 February 1978 (1978-02-07) (age 33) 62 9 Bayern Munich
4 DF Vincent Kompany (3rd-captain) 10 April 1986 (1986-04-10) (age 25) 39 1 Manchester City
14 DF Nicolas Lombaerts 20 March 1985 (1985-03-20) (age 26) 14 1 Zenit St. Petersburg
DF Toby Alderweireld 2 March 1989 (1989-03-02) (age 22) 11 0 Ajax
DF Thomas Vermaelen (Captain) 15 November 1985 (1985-11-15) (age 25) 32 1 Arsenal

5 MF Jan Vertonghen 24 April 1987 (1987-04-24) (age 24) 31 2 Ajax
6 MF Timmy Simons 11 December 1976 (1976-12-11) (age 34) 83 4 Nürnberg
8 MF Steven Defour 15 April 1988 (1988-04-15) (age 23) 30 1 Standard Liège
10 MF Axel Witsel 12 January 1989 (1989-01-12) (age 22) 19 5 Benfica
14 MF Jelle Van Damme 10 October 1983 (1983-10-10) (age 27) 33 0 Standard Liège
15 MF Vadis Odjidja-Ofoe 21 February 1989 (1989-02-21) (age 22) 2 0 Club Brugge
17 MF Dries Mertens 6 May 1987 (age 23) 2 0 PSV
MF Kevin De Bruyne 28 June 1991 (1991-06-28) (age 20) 1 0 Racing Genk
MF David Hubert 12 February 1988 (1988-02-12) (age 23) 0 0 Racing Genk

7 FW Nacer Chadli 2 September 1989 (1989-09-02) (age 21) 4 1 Twente
9 FW Jelle Vossen 22 March 1989 (1989-03-22) (age 22) 8 2 Racing Genk
16 FW Eden Hazard 7 January 1991 (1991-01-07) (age 20) 20 0 Lille
FW Romelu Lukaku 13 May 1993 (1993-05-13) (age 18) 9 2 Anderlecht
FW Marvin Ogunjimi 12 October 1987 (1987-10-12) (age 23) 4 4 Racing Genk
FW Björn Vleminckx 1 December 1985 (1985-12-01) (age 25) 2 0 Club Brugge

[edit] Recent call-upsPos. Player Date of Birth (Age) Caps Goals Club Latest Call-up
GK Silvio Proto 23 May 1983 (1983-05-23) (age 28) 13 0 Anderlecht v. Austria, 25 March 2011

DF Sébastien Pocognoli 1 August 1987 (1987-08-01) (age 24) 7 0 Standard Liège v. Austria, 25 March 2011
DF Guillaume Gillet 9 March 1984 (1984-03-09) (age 27) 14 0 Anderlecht v. Finland, 9 February 2011

MF Anthony Vanden Borre 24 October 1987 (1987-10-24) (age 23) 22 1 Racing Genk v. Azerbaijan, 29 March 2011
MF Marouane Fellaini 22 November 1987 (1987-11-22) (age 23) 26 4 Everton v. Finland, 9 February 2011
MF Jonathan Legear 13 April 1987 (1987-04-13) (age 24) 2 0 Anderlecht v. Finland, 9 February 2011

FW Moussa Dembélé 16 July 1987 (1987-07-16) (age 24) 33 5 Fulham v. Azerbaijan, 29 March 2011
FW Tom De Sutter 3 July 1985 (1985-07-03) (age 26) 14 0 Anderlecht v. Azerbaijan, 29 March 2011
FW Kevin Mirallas 5 October 1987 (1987-10-05) (age 23) 22 4 Olympiacos v. Azerbaijan, 29 March 2011


VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Belgium has a team full of promising talents and they will be dangerous for any opponent. Now he question is are Belgian "kids" mature enough to play against big boys.

As far as Serbian team, we are missing an effective striker. I said many times, if this team had a type of player as Savo Milosevic used to be, we would be much more dangerous. I do not think we have to talk much about our defence, and in my opinion we have a solid midfield, but up top Serbia is pretty thin
Peteko 3 years ago
Velja, you are probably right. The draw is so weird this time with truly dubious seeding, so it is only fair to believe that there had been some prepared scenarios to group certain countries together.

I am not the kind of person who believe in conspiracy theories, but until someone will be able to explain to me how Norway was seeded with the top countries, everything will remain open to imagination
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Corruption in FIFA?! No way...
Macedonian (Napoli) 3 years ago
I don't how but this is curent world rankigs for UEFA
Ranking Zonal Ranking Team Pts Jul 11 +/- RankingJun 11 +/- Pts Jun 11
1 1 Spain 1588 0 -283
2 2 Netherlands 1542 0 -119
3 3 Germany 1305 0 -112
6 4 England 1146 -2 0
7 5 Portugal 1076 0 30
8 6 Italy 1059 -2 0
9 7 Croatia 1033 -1 0
12 8 Norway 972 -1 0
13 9 Greece 959 -1 0
15 10 France 920 0 0
17 11 Montenegro 915 -1 0
18 12 Russia 914 -1 0
19 13 Sweden 884 0 0
21 14 Denmark 857 -1 0
22 15 Slovenia 833 -1 0
24 16 Turkey 820 -1 0
27 17 Serbia 797 -2 0
29 18 Slovakia 779 -1 0
30 19 Switzerland 778 -1 0
32 20 Israel 771 -2 0
33 21 Republic of Ireland 752 -2 0
37 22 Belgium 691 -2 0
38 23 Czech Republic 670 -2 0
41 24 Bosnia-Herzegovina 642 -2 0
42 25 Belarus 636 -2 0
45 26 Ukraine 620 -3 0
47 27 Hungary 603 -2 0
48 28 Bulgaria 599 -2 0
53 29 Romania 571 0 0
57 30 Georgia 530 -1 0
58 31 Lithuania 526 0 0
59 32 Albania 524 0 0
61 33 Scotland 513 0 0
62 34 Northern Ireland 498 0 0
66 35 Austria 479 -1 0
69 36 Poland 474 -2 0
70 37 Armenia 462 0 0
75 38 Finland 419 1 0
79 39 Estonia 399 0 0
80 40 Cyprus 398 0 0
83 41 Latvia 388 -1 0
85 42 Moldova 383 0 0
96 43 FYR Macedonia 338 2 0
111 44 Azerbaijan 282 1 0
112 45 Faroe Islands 273 2 0
112 45 Wales 273 2 0
118 47 Liechtenstein 253 2 0
121 48 Iceland 244 1 0
126 49 Kazakhstan 231 0 0
128 50 Luxembourg 213 0 0
173 51 Malta 83 -12 0
203 52 Andorra 0 0 0
203 52 San Marino 0 0 0
Peteko 3 years ago
Haha, so we (Albania) are above Scotland, Northern Ireland and Poland. Lol. OK, I'll take that.

But seriously getting the fourth place in the group during the last decade may have helped. I wonder what helped the Norwegians.

Also for Cyprus to be above Macedonia and Wales, seems a bit rich
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Tonight is "the night" for European dreams of clubs from this region. Those who go through will secure Europa League and have a chance to fight for a spot in the strongest club competition in the world. Good luck to Balkan teams, and I hope we will have chance to watch a lot of European matches around here this fall.

Dinamo Zagreb - Helsinki (2:1)

Partizan - Genk (1:2)

Maribor - Maccabi (1:2)

Trabzon - Benfica (0:2)

Vaslui - Twente (0:2)

Wisla - Litex (2:1)

Just so they do not feel left out, Panathinaikos was eliminated by Odense after loosing at home 4-3, even though they had 1-1 after game in Denmark. Is it Balkan mentality, or is it just me?!
Macedonian (Napoli) 3 years ago


Rabotnicki books place in Europa League play-off round
It was not easy but Rabotnicki recorded a dramatic result to get past Anorthosis thanks to a late goal by veteran defender Pance Kumbev.
The game started very tense as most of the action was happening on the Rabotnicki half of the field. The first half was mostly uneventful although the visitors had the better chances. The first good chance fell for Serbian Nemanja Vučićević in the 16th minute but his shot hit the post. The first half ended goalless at 0:0 as Rabotnicki played disciplined football and the Cypriot side could not break down the determined Rabotnicki defence.
Anorthosis opened the second half lively and their early pressure paid off with new signing Jan Rezek scoring in the 50th minute to give his side the narrow lead. Five minutes later, Rabotnicki created their first real opportunity of the game and captain Borce Manevski should have scored on the great chance but his finishing was poor and he squandered a big opportunity. Anorthosis punished the Macedonian club and scored their second goal in the 65th minute through Cristovão. Things were looking bleak now for Rabotnicki as the visitors were threatening and seemed set to come back from a 0:2 first leg deficit for the second consecutive year. Young goalkeeper Stole Dimitrievski came up big in the 79th minute when he saved a header from substitute striker Emil Angelov.

After Rabotnicki went down 2:0, the manager of the Macedonian club made some gutsy substitutions by making all three changes in a six minute stretch between the 70th and 76th minute. When it seemed that the game would go to extra time, veteran defender Pance Kumbev scored on a powerful header in the 87th minute following a well taken corner kick from Krste Velkoski. The minutes after the goal were grueling as every passing minute went slowly. The Bulgarian referee angered the fans in the stands when he showed six minutes of stoppage time. During the stoppage time, Rabotnicki should have scored another goal but Baze Todorovski missed from a good position as he had a clear target since Anorthosis' keeper was in Rabotnicki's half. The time went slowly but eventually the six minutes expired and the Bulgarian referee blew the final whistle which meant Rabotnicki advanced to the play-off round of the Europa League.

This is a great accomplishment for Macedonian football. Rabotnicki played with tremendous heart over the two games and they made all of Macedonia proud. They will learn their next opponents tomorrow in the draw that will be held at UEFA headquarters at around 13.00 CET and if Rabotnicki advances one more round, they will reach the group stages of the Europa League.
National Arena Philip II of Macedon in Skopje, Macedonia
Referee: Nikolay Yordanov (Bulgaria)
Scorers: Kumbev 87' (are); Rezek 50', Cristovão 65' (A).
Red cards: None
Yellow cards: Petrovik 24', Kumbev 60', Dimitrievski 61', Manevski 90' (are); Laborde 19', Cristovão 50' (A).
Rabotnicki: Dimitrievski; Todorovski, Bogdanovik (73' Petkovski), Kumbev, Lazarevski; Petrovik, Velkovski (70' Micevski), Vujčić, Nastevski (76' Gligorov); Velkoski, Manevski (see). Manager: Goran Petreski
Anorthosis: Ivankov; Janício, Andić, Colin, Sprockel; Laban, Okkas (see), Vučićević (57' Marquinhos); Cristovão, Laborde (72' Angelov), Rezek (89' Michael). Manager: Stanimir Stoilov

Third qualifying round : 4 August 2011 Return Leg

Full time » Mladá Boleslav 2-2 AEK Larnaca
Aggregate: 2-5
Referee: Peter Rasmussen (DEN) – Stadium: Mestský, Mlada Boleslav (CZE)

Full time » Varaždin 1-2 Dinamo Bucureşti
Aggregate: 3-4
Referee: Ján Valášek (SVK) – Stadium: NK Varaždin, Varazdin (CRO)




Full time » Aktobe 1-1 Alania
Aggregate: 2-2 Alania win 4-2 on penalties
Referee: Simon Lee Evans (WAL) – Stadium: Tsentralniy, Aktobe (KAZ)

Full time » Elfsborg 1-1Aalesund
Aggregate: 1-5
Referee: Radek Matějek (CZE) – Stadium: Borås Arena, Boras (SWE)

Full time » Qarabağ 1-0 Club Brugge
Aggregate: 2-4
Referee: Sascha Kever (SUI) – Stadium: Tofig Bahramov Republican stadium, Baku (AZE)


Full time » Strømsgodset 0-2 Atlético
Aggregate: 1-4
Referee: Mark Courtney (NIR) – Stadium: Marienlyst, Drammen (NOR)

Full time » Sligo 0-2 Vorskla
Aggregate: 0-2
Referee: Emir Alecković (BIH) – Stadium: The Showgrounds, Sligo (IRL)

Full time » Gomel 1-3Bursaspor
Aggregate: 2-5
Referee: Marius Avram (ROU) – Stadium: Tsentralny, Gomel (BLR)

Full time » Legia 0-0 Gaziantepspor
Aggregate: 1-0
Referee: Darko Čeferin (SVN) – Stadium: Wojska Polskiego, Warsaw (POL)


Full time » Rennes 2-0 Metalurgi Rustavi
Aggregate: 7-2
Referee: Antti Munukka (FIN) – Stadium: Route de Lorient, Rennes (FRA)

Full time » Spartak Trnava 2-1Levski
Aggregate: 3-3 Spartak Trnava win 5-4 on penalties
Referee: Ken Henry Johnsen (NOR) – Stadium: Antona Malatinského, Trnava (SVK)

Full time » Dinamo Tbilisi 2-0 KR
Aggregate: 6-1
Referee: Pawel Gil (POL) – Stadium: Boris Paichadze National Stadium, Tbilisi (GEO)

Full time » Senica 0-3 Salzburg Aggregate: 0-4
Referee: Hannes Kaasik (EST) – Stadium: FK Senica, Senica (SVK)

Full time » Gaz Metan 1-1 Mainz
Aggregate: 2-2 Gaz Metan win 4-3 on penalties
Referee: Tamás Bognar (HUN) – Stadium: Gaz Metan, Medias (ROU)

Full time » Helsingborg 3-0 Bnei Yehuda
Aggregate: 3-1
Referee: Jérome Efong Nzolo (BEL) – Stadium: Olympia, Helsingborg (SWE)

Full time » Hajduk Split 0-1 Stoke
Aggregate: 0-2
Referee: Andrea De Marco (ITA) – Stadium: Stadion Poljud, Split (CRO)



Full time » Häcken 2-1 Nacional
Aggregate: 2-4
Referee: Cyril Zimmermann (SUI) – Stadium: Ullevi, Gothenburg (SWE)

Full time » Brøndby 4-2 Ried
Aggregate: 4-4 Ried win on away goals
Referee: Thorsten Kinhöfer (GER) – Stadium: Brøndby, Brondby (DEN)

Full time » M. Tel-Aviv 6-0 Željezničar
Aggregate: 8-0
Referee: Alan Black (NIR) – Stadium: Bloomfield Stadium, Tel Aviv (ISR)



Full time » Thun 1-1 Palermo
Aggregate: 3-3 Thun win on away goals
Referee: Liran Liany (ISR) – Stadium: Arena Thun, Thun (SUI)

Full time » Lokomotiv Sofia 0-0 Śląsk
Aggregate: 0-0 Śląsk win 4-3 on penalties
Referee: Oliver Drachta (AUT) – Stadium: Natsionalen Stadion Vasil Levski, Sofia (BUL)

Full time » Westerlo 0-2 Young Boys
Aggregate: 1-5
Referee: Richard Trutz (SVK) – Stadium: het Kuipje, Westerlo (BEL)

Full time » Vaduz 2-1 H. Tel-Aviv
Aggregate: 2-5
Referee: Daniel Stålhammar (SWE) – Stadium: Rheinpark, Vaduz (LIE)

Full time » Den Haag 1-0 Omonia
Aggregate: 1-3
Referee: Marco Borg (MLT) – Stadium: Ado den Haag, Den Haag (NED)

Full time » Olympiacos Volou 3-0 Differdange
Aggregate: 6-0
Referee: Arman Amirkhanyan (ARM) – Stadium: Panthessaliko, Volos (GRE)

Full time » Rabotnicki 1-2 Anorthosis
Aggregate: 3-2
Referee: Nikolay Yordanov (BUL) – Stadium: National Arena Filip II Macedonian, Skopje (MKD)

Full time » PAOK 3-0 Vålerenga
Aggregate: 5-0
Referee: Kristo Tohver (EST) – Stadium: Toumbas Stadium, Salonika (GRE)


Full time » Crvena zvezda 7-0 Ventspils
Aggregate: 9-1
Referee: Ruddy Buquet (FRA) – Stadium: Stadion FK Crvena zvezda, Belgrade (SRB)




Full time » Jablonec 1-1 AZ
Aggregate: 1-3
Referee: Viktor Shvetsov (UKR) – Stadium: Chance Arena, Jablonec nad Nisou (CZE)

Full time » Fulham 2-0 Split
Aggregate: 2-0
Referee: Duarte Gomes (POR) – Stadium: Craven Cottage, London (ENG)



Full time » St Patrick's 1-3 Karpaty
Aggregate: 1-5
Referee: Ovidiu Alin Hategan (ROU) – Stadium: Tallaght Stadium, Dublin (IRL)

Full time » Hearts 4-1 Paks
Aggregate: 5-2
Referee: Robert Malek (POL) – Stadium: Tynecastle, Edinburgh (SCO)

Full time » Sarajevo 0-2 Sparta Praha
Aggregate: 0-7
Referee: Maksim Layushkin (RUS) – Stadium: Asim Ferhatović Hase Stadion, Sarajevo (BIH)




Full time » Austria Wien 3-2 Olimpija Ljubljana
Aggregate: 4-3
Referee: Aleksei Eskov (RUS) – Stadium: Franz Horr Stadion, Vienna (AUT)



Full time » Vitória SC 2- 1Midtjylland
Aggregate: 2-1
Referee: Richard Liesveld (NED) – Stadium: Estádio D. Afonso Henriques, Guimaraes (POR)

Ex Yugo Clubs Out from Euro League
Hajduk Split
Varazdin
FK Split
Olimpija Lubljana
Zeleznicar
Sarajevo

Play offs round four
Red Star
Rabotnicki
Partizan
Maribor

Champions League Ex You Clubs

Full time » Dinamo Zagreb 1-0 HJK
Aggregate: 3-1
Referee: Kristinn Jakobsson (ISL) – Stadium: Stadion Maksimir, Zagreb (CRO)




Full time » Partizan 1-1 Genk
Aggregate: 2-3
Referee: Manuel De Sousa (POR) – Stadium: FK Partizan, Belgrade (SRB)




Full time » Maribor 1-1 M. Haifa
Aggregate: 2-3
Referee: Said Ennjimi (FRA) – Stadium: Stadion Ljudski vrt, Maribor (SVN)



Ex Yugo Clubs Out from Champions League
Partizan
Maribor

Play offs 4 round
Dinamo Zagreb

Summary
Only 6 clubs form ex Yugo go in fourth round in Euro Leagues
Macedonian (Napoli) 3 years ago
Velja
I watched whole game Partisan was better side in this duel but didn’t had luck also ref made mistake? For the penalty
Partisan is good tem but you lacking of classic full forward or other option when laze ski is back take the place of Volkov and Volkov plays left Winger he is good player and fast then use Eduardo as classic full forward right side is week to no creativity on that side
Also you need one attacking creative midfielder if partisan keeps this players and gets 2 or 3 very good players you can be force in Europe.
You need one attacking midfielder right winger and one more full forward Scepovic good but only for Serbian league
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Yeah, it was a sad night at our stadium! But I believe we will be more competitive with this team in Europa League, than in champions league. I agree referee could have not called that penalty, but I also remind you on previous two WC where we had four PK called against us for similar hand balls (I think it is obvious that Serbia is a basketball nation after all).

I agree with you on having Lazevski on a left back and Volkov on a left winger. Our two attacking mid fielders Ilic and Vukic are getting old, and we do need some fresh blood on that position. Also we are totally on a same page about Scepovic, as most of Partizan fans as well. We have this guy Jovancic, who scored against Skendija in Skopje just few minutes after he replaced Eduardo, whom I believe could be a great striker if our coach gives him more playing time (instead of Scepovic). Also we are all waiting for Lamine Diara to come back fit after broken leg, he was for three seasons top scorer in Partizan and Serbian league.

I will also remind you that we have only couple of players left from the last season's starting line up, and that this was their fourth match together, so I think that we can play even better as time goes by. The only regret is that we really played better in these two matches against Genk, but they literally scored three goal out of one real chance (two PK's)
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Tnicki got away! I saw they were loosing 2-0, and I was thinking is this possible, but they manged to put one away and go through!
Macedonian (Napoli) 3 years ago
Rabotnicki against Lazio in the Europa League
Italian side SS Lazio is the opponent of Rabotnicki in the qualifications' play-off of the UEFA Europa League.

Tough but attractive draw for Rabotnicki. Lazio will face the club from Debar Maalo in the last round before the group stage. The first leg will be played at Stadio Olimpico in Rome on the 18th of August while the return leg is scheduled for the 25th of August at the National Arena Philip II of Macedon in Skopje.


Rabotnicki was in the Group 5 of the draw and could have been drawn against PSV Eindhoven, Dynamo Kyiv, Celtic, Birmingham City or Rapid Bucureşti as well, but the destiny chose the Italians. The red&white have never faced any Serie A club before. Lazio is the favourite, but Anorthosis had the same role as well.


The Macedonian club have made it all the way since the Round 1, eliminating Trans (Estonia), Juvenes/Dogana (San Marino) and Anorthosis (Cyprus).
Play-off round
The draw for the play-off round will be held on 5 August 2011. The first legs will be played on 18 August, and the second legs will be played on 25 August 2011.



Maccabi Tel Aviv 1 Panathinaikos
Atlético Madrid 2 Vitória Guimarães
Shamrock Rovers 3 Partizan
Metalist Kharkiv 4 Sochaux
Beşiktaş 5 Alania Vladikavkaz
Rosenborg 6 AEK Larnaca
Vorskla Poltava 7 Dinamo Bucureşti
Bursaspor 8 Anderlecht
Roma 9 Slovan Bratislava
Olympiakos Volou 10 Paris Saint-Germain
Legia Warsaw 11 Spartak Moscow
Ekranas 12 Hapoel Tel Aviv
Paok 13 Karpaty Lviv
Trabzonspor 14 Athletic Bilbao
Hearts 15 Tottenham Hotspur
Maribor 16 Rangers
Steaua Bucureşti 17 CSKA Sofia
Nordsjælland 18 Sporting CP
Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk 19 Fulham
Lokomotiv Moscow 20 Spartak Trnava
Sion 21 Celtic
Śląsk Wrocław 22 Rapid Bucureşti
Litex Lovech 23 Dynamo Kyiv
Lazio 24 Rabotnički
Nacional 25 Birmingham City
Psv Eindhoven 26 Ried
Thun 27 Stoke City
Aalesund 28 AZ
Vaslui 29 Sparta Prague
Omonia 30 Red Bull Salzburg
Zestafoni 31 Club Brugge
Hannover 96 32 Sevilla
Hjk Helsinki 33 Schalke 04
Dinamo Tbilisi 34 AEK Athens
Rennes 35 Red Star Belgrade
Gaz Metan Mediaş 36 Austria Wien
Braga 37 Young Boys
Standard Liège 38 Helsingborg
Peteko 3 years ago
I think that Lazio are too much for Rabotnicki. Of course, you never know in football but the Macedonians were truly unlucky with this draw.

Generally, you'd want to avoid playing clubs from the 4 big leagues at this level.

Partizan have a much better chance of making it. Their Irish opponents seem to be a team with a great distant past, but they are just waking up after long wasteful years. They are thus a mystery. Partizan should take this play-off seriously
Macedonian (Napoli) 3 years ago
I do agree with you Lazio is class above Rabotnicki Lazio is total favourite in this match Macedonian public not expecting them to win in this dual only chance Rabotnicki has if Lazio underestimate them and put on filed their second team so Rabotnicki gets draw or min win for Lazio so at home gets full stadium of 30000 and make some money which will help them to get better next year. And from Tv rights
Peteko 3 years ago
So, Dinamo Zagreb are the only representative of the Balkans in Champions League?

They face Malmoe and it could have been much worse. The Croats have reason to believe they will make it to the group stage.complacency only can kill them at this moment
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
I think Dinamo should go through! Swedes are solid team, but not too tough...
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
I think Dinamo should go through! Swedes are solid team, but not too tough...
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
I think we have a solid chance, but you can never be sure with Dinamo. Malmo are a good team if they beat Rangers and their league is being played for like 20 rounds already. However, they are currently 13th?!
My prediction: 55-45 for Dinamo
Albban (Arsenal) 3 years ago
Ah Fatos Beciraj will score, Hopefully.  Dinamo Zagreb I would love to see them play in Champions League
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
I guess we are all supporting Dinamo Zagreb tonight, since it is the only club left from Balkans in champions league qualifies! I believe they have great chance in match up against Malmo to come out victorious, but as we pointed out numerous times in this thread, never underestimate Balkan mentality...
Macedonian (Napoli) 3 years ago
Champions League play offs Leg one

Wisła Kraków - apoel 1–0

Maccabi Haifa - Genk 2–1

Dinamo Zagreb - Malmö FF 4–1



Copenhagen - Viktoria Plzeň 1–3

Bate Borisov - Sturm Graz 1–1

Odense - Villarreal 1–0

Twente – Benfica 2–2

Arsenal – Udinese 1–0

Bayern Munich – Zürich 2–0

Lyon - Rubin Kazan 3–1

Well done Dinamo job not finish yet Balkan mentality always is biggest enemy against Balkan teams.
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Great result for Dinamo, but as Macedonian said, they have to be careful in Isreal! It's not over until it is over!
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Definitely was not expecting such thrashing last night, it really was a great performance (27-1 in shots on goal!). Dinamo is one foot in Champions League, but like you guys pointed out, it's not over and we still need a solid performance in Malmo (Velja, Israel?). I'm glad that the ex-Yugo teams are getting back on the European map, last year Partizan and now (hopefully) Dinamo after 12 years of drought. Good luck to all the teams tonight for the Europa league matches
Macedonian (Napoli) 3 years ago
Play-off round Europe League
Maccabi Tel Aviv 1 Panathinaikos 3–0
Atlético Madrid 2 Vitória Guimarães 3–0
Shamrock Rovers 3 Partizan 1–1


Metalist Kharkiv 4 Sochaux 0–0
Beşiktaş 5 Alania Vladikavkaz 3–0
Rosenborg 6 AEK Larnaca 0–0
Vorskla Poltava 7 Dinamo Bucureşti 2–1
Bursaspor 8 Anderlecht 1–2
Roma 9 Slovan Bratislava 1–0
Olympiakos Volou 10 Paris Saint-Germain 0–4
Legia Warsaw 11 Spartak Moscow 2–2
Ekranas 12 Hapoel Tel Aviv 1–0
Paok 13 Karpaty Lviv 2–0
Trabzonspor 14 Athletic Bilbao 0–0
Hearts 15 Tottenham Hotspur 0–5
Maribor 16 Rangers 2–1


Steaua Bucureşti 17 CSKA Sofia 2–0
Nordsjælland 18 Sporting CP 0–0
Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk 19 Fulham 0–3
Lokomotiv Moscow 20 Spartak Trnava 2–0
Sion 21 Celtic 0–0
Śląsk Wrocław 22 Rapid Bucureşti 1–3
Litex Lovech 23 Dynamo Kyiv 1–2
Lazio 24 Rabotnički 6–0


Nacional 25 Birmingham City 0–0
Psv Eindhoven 26 Ried 0–0
Thun 27 Stoke City 0–1
Aalesund 28 AZ 2–1
Vaslui 29 Sparta Prague 2–0
Omonia 30 Red Bull Salzburg 2–1
Zestafoni 31 Club Brugge 3–3
Hannover 96 32 Sevilla 2–1
Hjk Helsinki 33 Schalke 04 2–0
Dinamo Tbilisi 34 AEK Athens 1–0
Rennes 35 Red Star Belgrade 2 – 1


Gaz Metan Mediaş 36 Austria Wien 1- 3
Braga 37 Young Boys 0–0
Standard Liège 38 Helsingborg 1–0

Summary 1st Leg Ex Yu Clubs

Partisan has good chance to progress to group stage but with our Balkan mentality noting is for shore
Maribor has hard match in Glasgow narrow lead personally think not convince they can go true to next round
Red Star out almost impossible for them to win away it is only small chance you never know
Rabotnicki was declassed by Lazio second leg only formality
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Hm, a mixed set of results really. Partizan conceded after some horrid defending, but I would find it shocking if they get kicked out by the Irish amateurs. Maribor proved they can deal with stronger sides and I don't see why they can't go through. Red Star result didn't surprise me, Prosinecki's campaign might soon be over after a dreadful start in the new season. Rabotnicki got dismantled, their keeper is awful, the guy was mostly just standing like a statue and watching the balls going in
Macedonian (Napoli) 3 years ago
Markodon Rabotnicki keeper was men on the match which save them hi is only 17 good young talent I think olympiacos from greece made offer to Rabotnicki for him around 350000 Euros
Report from the match
Lazio dominated the match and proved too much for the young squad of Rabotnicki. The difference in quality was evident and Lazio newcomers Miroslav Klose and Djibril Cissé managed to find the back of the net in their first competitive match for the Italian club.



The first half started with Lazio dominating possession and creating chance after chance. The first attempt fell for Stefano Mauri but his sliding attempt from close range was saved by the Rabotnicki keeper Stole Dimitrievski. Mauri tried to score on the rebound but he was called for a foul on the keeper by the Russian referee. The impressive new signing of Lazio, Djibril Cissé, then had his first chance of the game in the 9th minute but his shot from close range was saved by Dimitrievski. Lazio kept the pressure and the next player to test Dimitrievski was Christian Brocchi in the 11th minute but his shot was once again saved by the 17 year old keeper. The shots kept on coming towards the Rabotnicki goal and Cristian Ledesma then forced Dimitrievski into another save in the 16th minute. The save was pushed away by Dimitreivski for a corner kick and from the resulting corner, Lazio nearly scored but a Rabotnicki defender just managed to clear the ball before it went to the back of the net. In the 20th minute, Lazio took the deserving lead through Hernanes who scored with a nice shot past Dimitrievski. Two minutes later, Lazio was awarded a free kick from a dangerous position but the powerful free kick ended up striking the wall before Dimitrievski gathered the ball. Stefano Mauri scored a goal in the 25th minute but it was ruled offside. However, replays showed that Mauri was not offside and the goal should have stood. The wrongly disallowed goal didn't prove relevant and Mauri actually got his goal in the 39th minute when he scored from close range to give Lazio a 2:0 lead going into halftime. Rabotnicki did not threaten the Lazio goal as the only two shots fell for Krste Velkoski but they were well wide of the goal.

The second half was the same story with Lazio continuing their domination and scoring an additional four goals. Djibril Cissé scored his first goal in a Lazio uniform in the 51st minute with a nice shot that went past Stole Dimitrievski. The guilty player on the goal was attacker Ivan Nastevski. Nastevski tried to make a long cross to the other side of the field but he mishit the ball and it found a Lazio player who then passed the ball to Cissé who did the rest by scoring a nice goal. The 16 year old Darko Velkovski should have done better in the 61st minute when he was set up for a shot but his effort didn't have much power and the Lazio keeper easily gathered the ball. In the 65th minute, Cissé scored his second goal of the game with a well placed header past the diving Dimitrievski. The game then slowed down for the next twenty minutes with little action but the introduction of Tommaso Rocchi in the 85th minute proved important and led to an additional two goals for Lazio. Rocchi scored in the 87th minute when his shot took a deflection off of Rabotnicki defender Dimitrija Lazarevski before going past the hapless Dimitrievski. Finally, in the 90th minute, Miroslav Klose put the finishing touches on a perfect night for Lazio by also scoring his first goal in a Lazio uniform after being set up by Rocchi who was credited with the assist.

Rabotnicki did not create one good opportunity during the game and suffered a convincing road victory against Lazio. Dimitrievski was not really at fault on any of the six goals and made several saves that prevented more goals for Lazio. The missing players on defence proved problematic for Rabotnicki as the replacements struggled and could not contain the attackers for Lazio. In particular, newcomer Djibril Cissé and Hernanes had great games for Lazio and presented numerous problems for Rabotnicki's defence with their movement, skill, and ability.

The return leg of this matchup will be next Thursday on 25 August 2011 at the Phillip II Arena in Skopje. Rabotnicki will only play for pride as Lazio has already secured a place in the group stages of the Europa League after their performance during today's game.

Video of the six goals by Lazio:

Macedonian (Napoli) 3 years ago
Champions League play offs Return Leg

Apoel 3-1 Wisła Kraków Aggregate: 3-2
Referee: Viktor Kassai (HUN) – Stadium: GSP Stadium, Nicosia (CYP)

Genk 2-1 M. Haifa Aggregate: 3-3 Genk win 4-1 on penalties
Referee: Howard Webb (ENG) – Stadium: KRC Genk Arena, Genk (BEL)

Malmö 2-0 Dinamo Zagreb Aggregate: 3-4
Referee: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA) – Stadium: Malmö New Stadium, Malmo (SWE)




Villarreal 3-0 OB Aggregate: 3-1
Referee: Craig Thomson (SCO) – Stadium: Estadio El Madrigal, Villarreal (ESP)

Zürich 0-1 Bayern Aggregate: 0-3
Referee: Laurent Duhamel (FRA) – Stadium: Stadion Letzigrund, Zurich (SUI)

Rubin 1-1 Lyon Aggregate: 2-4
Referee: Frank De Bleeckere (BEL) – Stadium: Centralni, Kazan (RUS)

Plzeň 2-1 København Aggregate: 5-2
Referee: Carlos Velasco Carballo (ESP) – Stadium: Eden, Prague (CZE)

Sturm 0-2 BATE Aggregate: 1-3
Referee: Jonas Eriksson (SWE) – Stadium: Stadium Graz Liebenau, Graz (AUT)

Benfica 3-1Twente Aggregate: 5-3
Referee: Felix Brych (GER) – Stadium: Estádio do Sport Lisboa e Benfica, Lisbon (POR)

Udinese 1-2 Arsenal Aggregate: 1-3
Referee: Olegário Benquerença (POR) – Stadium: Friuli, Udine (ITA)

Dinamo made it but the Balkan mentality of the team again could cost them the place in final group stage
Makodon well done but you will need some good sign in by Dinamo if they want to play champions league in spring with current squad I think they have reach the optimum.
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Yes, as we have mentioned here on numerous occasions, the Balkan mentality is always present and can cause havoc at any time. Dinamo is definitely a good example of that, they are not capable of making a "clean" win over the 2 games. How to explain a player getting a red card for no reason, when it's 0-0 and you lead by 3 goals from the first match? Not even that Balkan idiot can answer that.
As far as signing new players, I don't think that will change anything. We have already brought several experienced players and the team on paper looks very good (the total value of Dinamo is 55 million euros, biggest in the region). But the team is capable of producing great performances, just as it's capable of self-destruction like 2 days ago. Of course group stage is the limit, kinda like Partizan last year.... I'm not expecting miracles. 3rd place and advancement to Europa League play-off stage would be amazing
Macedonian (Napoli) 3 years ago
2011/12 UEFA Champions League group stage

Group A
FC Bayern München (GER)
Villarreal CF (ESP)
Manchester City FC (ENG)
Ssc Napoli (ITA)

Group be
FC Internazionale Milano (ITA)
Pfc CSKA Moskva (RUS)
Losc Lille Métropole (FRA)
Trabzonspor AŞ (TUR)

Group see
Manchester United FC (ENG)
SL Benfica (POR)
FC Basel 1893 (SUI)
FC Oţelul Galaţi (ROU)

Group D
Real Madrid CF (ESP)
Olympique Lyonnais (FRA)
Afc Ajax (NED)
Gnk Dinamo Zagreb (CRO)

Group E
Chelsea FC (ENG)
Valencia CF (ESP)
Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER)
Krc Genk (BEL)

Group F
Arsenal FC (ENG)
Olympique de Marseille (FRA)
Olympiacos FC (GRE)
Borussia Dortmund (GER)

Group G
FC Porto (POR)
FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR)
FC Zenit St Petersburg (RUS)
Apoel FC (CYP)

Group H
FC Barcelona (ESP)
AC Milan (ITA)
FC BATE Borisov (BLR)
FC Viktoria Plzeň (CZE)

Dinamo Zagreb delighted with Group D hand

Published: Thursday 25 August 2011, 22. 34cet

Gnk Dinamo Zagreb's Krunoslav Jurčić said drawing Real Madrid CF "is the best thing that could have happened" to the Croatian side, who also face Olympique Lyonnais and AFC Ajax.
Back in UEFA Champions League group stage after 12 years away, GNK Dinamo Zagreb are savouring the prospect of tackling Real Madrid CF in Group D, coach Krunoslav Jurčić describing facing the nine-time winners as "my dream come true". The section also features Olympique Lyonnais and AFC Ajax, whose coach, Frank de Boer, thinks his team have "a hell of a job" to reach the last 16.

Emilio Butragueño, Madrid director of club relations
We've played Lyon [many times] over the past seven years and it is always a tricky place for us to go; we've never won there. They are a side with a very solid defence and are mature and competitive. Ajax are a team that has evolved a lot and despite the fact they have lost Luis Suárez, they won their league playing very good football towards the end of the campaign. Dinamo are very strong at home, where they are backed by very passionate fans who help the team a lot.

Rémi Garde, Lyon coach
The aim will be to advance to the last 16. Madrid are naturally the favourites in this group. They are the very best with a coach, José Mourinho, who deserves much respect, and, in Karim Benzema, a player we know very well. As for the other two sides, expect lively games. Ajax play the Dutch way and are scoring a lot of goals at the moment. Dinamo Zagreb also play stylish football. We'll get some info from [Lyon defender] Dejan Lovren, who came through the ranks over there.

Frank de Boer, Ajax coach
It will be a hell of a job. Madrid and Lyon are fantastic sides; they always qualify for the knockout stage. Ajax lost 4-0 to Madrid last season; do we want revenge? Yes. Getting through the group stage would be nice, but it is always a case of wait and see. We have to start in a positive frame of mind. We can make life difficult for any team. It will be tough, but there is no need to panic.

Krunoslav Jurčić, Dinamo coach
Getting Real Madrid in the group stage is the best thing that could have happened to Dinamo. My dream came true; I really wanted to get Real Madrid and José Mourinho. It's fantastic. My players will definitely enjoy playing in this group. I don't want to make any predictions; let's enjoy this moment for a bit and later we can start to collect information about our opponents and assess our chances.

Markodon Tuff group for Dinamo but not impossible.
Dinamo has good chance of seeing spring in this group lounges Juric can discipline his players and team is before players Balkan ego also will be wise if Dinamo spends some more money to strength the weakest position which will be midfield and defence in my opinion.
If Dinamo can manage 2 wins and draw at home plus some luck in away to steel point will be good to secure spring football for Dinamo fans also for as which we want to see our Ex you country man clubs from this region to go to the old glory.
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Yes I agree with you there. But even reaching the groups is a pretty good achievement. I'm hoping for some nice football from Dinamo and a 3rd spot leading to Europa League
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Tough group for Dinamo to go through, but great to host three European giants! I think Dinamo will do better than Partizan last year
Macedonian (Napoli) 3 years ago
Play offs second Leg Europe League

Full time » Dinamo Bucureşti 2-3 Vorskla Aggregate: 3-5
Referee: Cyril Zimmermann (SUI) – Stadium: Dinamo, Bucharest (ROU)

Full time » Spartak Moskva 2-3 Legia Aggregate: 4-5
Referee: Alon Yefet (ISR) – Stadium: Luzhniki Stadion, Moscow (RUS)


Full time » Rennes 4-0 Crvena zvezda Aggregate: 6-1
Referee: Deniz Aytekin (GER) – Stadium: Route de Lorient, Rennes (FRA)

Link: www.footytube.com/video/stade-rennes-fk-crvena-zve...

Full time » PSV 5-0 Ried Aggregate: 5-0
Referee: Maksim Layushkin (RUS) – Stadium: PSV Stadion, Eindhoven (NED)

Full time » Alania 2-0 Beşiktaş Aggregate: 2-3
Referee: Alexandru Dan Tudor (ROU) – Stadium: Republican Stadium Spartak, Vladikavkaz (RUS)

Full time » AEK Larnaca 2-1 Rosenborg Aggregate: 2-1
Referee: Euan Norris (SCO) – Stadium: Antonis Papadopoulos, Larnaca (CYP)

Full time » Spartak Trnava 1-1 Lokomotiv Moskva Aggregate: 1-3
Referee: Luca Banti (ITA) – Stadium: Antona Malatinského, Trnava (SVK)

Full time » Dynamo Kyiv 1-0 Litex Aggregate: 3-1
Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG) – Stadium: Valeriy Lobanovskiy Stadium, Kyiv (UKR)

Full time » Gaz Metan 1-0 Austria Wien Aggregate: 2-3
Referee: Hüseyin Göçek (TUR) – Stadium: Stadionul Dr Constantin Rădulescu, Cluj-Napoca (ROU)

Full time » Dinamo Tbilisi 1-1 AEK Aggregate: 1-2 AEK win after extra time
Referee: Darko Čeferin (SVN) – Stadium: Boris Paichadze National Stadium, Tbilisi (GEO)

Full time » H. Tel-Aviv 4-0 Ekranas Aggregate: 4-1
Referee: Artyom Kuchin (KAZ) – Stadium: Bloomfield Stadium, Tel Aviv (ISR)

Full time » CSKA Sofia 1-1 Steaua Aggregate: 1-3
Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED) – Stadium: Natsionalen Stadion Vasil Levski, Sofia (BUL)

Full time » Young Boys 2-2 Braga Aggregate: 2-2 Braga win on away goals
Referee: Ivan Bebek (CRO) – Stadium: Stade de Suisse, Berne (SUI)

Full time » Rapid Bucureşti 1-1 Śląsk Aggregate: 4-2
Referee: Martin Hansson (SWE) – Stadium: Stadionul Dan Păltinişanu, Timisoara (ROU)

Full time » Sparta Praha 1-0 Vaslui Aggregate: 1-2
Referee: Thomas Einwaller (AUT) – Stadium: Stadion Letná, Prague (CZE)

Full time » Panathinaikos 2-1 M. Tel-Aviv Aggregate: 2-4
Referee: Antonio Damato (ITA) – Stadium: OACA Spiros Louis Stadium, Athens (GRE)

Full time » Helsingborg 1-3 Standard Aggregate: 1-4
Referee: Said Ennjimi (FRA) – Stadium: Olympia, Helsingborg (SWE)

Full time » Schalke 6-1 HJK Aggregate: 6-3
Referee: Leontios Trattou (CYP) – Stadium: Arena AufSchalke, Gelsenkirchen (GER)

Full time » Vitória SC 0-4 Atlético Aggregate: 0-6
Referee: Andre Marriner (ENG) – Stadium: Estádio D. Afonso Henriques, Guimaraes (POR)

Full time » Partizan 1-2 Shamrock Rovers Aggregate: 2-3 Shamrock Rovers win after extra time
Referee: Ján Valášek (SVK) – Stadium: FK Partizan, Belgrade (SRB)

Link: www.footytube.com/video/fk-partizan-beograd-shamro...


Full time » Anderlecht 2-2 Bursaspor Aggregate: 4-3
Referee: Manuel De Sousa (POR) – Stadium: Constant Vanden Stock Stadium, Brussels (BEL)


Match cancelled » Trabzonspor Athletic Match cancelled
Referee: Knut Kircher (GER) – Stadium: Turk Telekom Arena, Istanbul (TUR)

Full time » Rangers 1-1 Maribor Aggregate: 2-3
Referee: Aleksandar Stavrev (MKD) – Stadium: Ibrox Stadium, Glasgow (SCO)



Full time » Dnipro 1-0 Fulham Aggregate: 1-3
Referee: Tom Harald Hagen (NOR) – Stadium: Dnipro Arena, Dnipropetrovsk (UKR)

Full time » Sion 3-1 Celtic Aggregate: 3-1
Referee: David Fernández Borbalán (ESP) – Stadium: Tourbillon, Sion (SUI)

Full time » Club Brugge 2-0 Zestafoni Aggregate: 5-3
Referee: Tony Asumaa (FIN) – Stadium: Jan Breydelstadion, Bruges (BEL)

Full time » Sochaux 0-4 Metalist Aggregate: 0-4
Referee: Eduardo Iturralde González (ESP) – Stadium: Auguste Bonal, Montbeliard (FRA)

Full time » Roma 1-1 Slovan Bratislava Aggregate: 1-2
Referee: Halis Özkahya (TUR) – Stadium: Stadio Olimpico, Rome (ITA)

Full time » Rabotnicki 1-3 Lazio Aggregate: 1-9
Referee: Menashe Masiah (ISR) – Stadium: National Arena Filip II Macedonian, Skopje (MKD)



Full time » Birmingham 3-0 Nacional Aggregate: 3-0
Referee: Vladislav Bezborodov (RUS) – Stadium: St Andrews, Birmingham (ENG)

Full time » Stoke 4-1 Thun Aggregate: 5-1
Referee: Marcin Borski (POL) – Stadium: Britannia, Stoke-on-Trent (ENG)

Full time » AZ 6-0 Aalesund Aggregate: 7-2
Referee: Alan Kelly (IRL) – Stadium: AZ Stadion, Alkmaar (NED)

Full time » PSG 2-0 Differdange Aggregate: 6-0
Referee: Kristinn Jakobsson (ISL) – Stadium: Parc des Princes, Paris (FRA)

Full time » Karpaty 1-1 PAOK Aggregate: 1-3
Referee: Fredy Fautrel (FRA) – Stadium: Ukrayina Stadion, Lviv (UKR)

Full time » Tottenham 0-0 Hearts Aggregate: 5-0
Referee: Anastassios Kakos (GRE) – Stadium: White Hart Lane, London (ENG)

Full time » Salzburg 1-0 Omonia Aggregate: 2-2 Salzburg win on away goals
Referee: Gediminas Mažeika (LTU) – Stadium: Stadion Salzburg, Salzburg (AUT)

Full time » Sevilla 1-1 Hannover Aggregate: 2-3
Referee: Serge Gumienny (BEL) – Stadium: Estadio Ramón Sánchez Pizjuán, Seville (ESP)


Full time » Sporting 2-1 Nordsjælland Aggregate: 2-1
Referee: Ovidiu Alin Hategan (ROU) – Stadium: José Alvalade, Lisbon (POR)

Summary
From Ex YU Clubs
Partisan
Red Star
Rabotnicki
Their season in Euro Soccer for 2011 season is finished
Only Clubs Representing in Euro Leagues Group Stages form Ex YU
Maribor in Euro League
Dinamo in Champions League
Well done for Maribor & Dinamo
Partisan bit unlucky but all comes to how the club is managed they were lacking of discipline and may they should had one or two sign ins team was not compact.

Red Star sadly but ended the short run in Uefa League Ren to much for them
Rabotnicki declassed by Lazio but they Reach the biggest success in their club history & also Macedonian Club Football reaching 4th round Play OFF stage in Euro Leagues.



Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
To be honest, it's quite shocking that Partizan, a team that played Champions League last season, got kicked out by some Irish semi-professionals
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Hi guys, sorry for being absent from thread, I am on vaction (Croatia, Pula). There is nothing smart I can say about Partizan being eliminated by Irish. We had at least 10 clear cut chances and could not score, and as always it comes back to hunt you. I watched the game online and it was far from fun, thank God I had a lot of alcohol on my hand that night!
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Welcome back Velja, hope you enjoyed Pula!
Peteko 3 years ago
Partizan probably took them for granted.  Not the best year for Serbian football.
Macedonian (Napoli) 3 years ago
This proves the need for regional league in this region clubs they can’t maintain team for two year after one year in champions league all better player leave the clubs also young talent gets exported before they play one season in home championship.
If this league was in place probably Partisan as example will not sell they best player from last season will maintain the team and bring more talent.
Also this will be the same story for Dinamo next season.
2 or 3 young talents from Rabotnicki they have secured lousy contracts from some clubs in Europe for around 300000 Euros.

VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Agree with you Macedonian! Loosing against Shamrock is a disaster, all due respect to Irish, but one of the reasons for poor results in Europe is the fact that Partizan kept only two players from last season. There is not enough time for new squad to blend in for UEFA qualifies. Partizan is out of the Europe, even though they played better football than Genk and Shamrock, but stupid mistakes kicked us out. Off course there is good old Balkan mentality as well...
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Croatia on top of their group, while Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Montenegro hold play off spots in their groups before final two rounds of qualifies.

I believe all teams are in good positions to keep their current spots, and then we'll have three teams from ex-Yu playing play off round. If you look at the potential rivals in play off, there is a realistic chance all these teams make it to the final tournament, unless they meet each other in play off
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Yes, Croatia unexpectedly moved up to the first place, after Greece drew with Latvia last night. We need a draw in Athens and a win vs Latvia at home in order to stay 1st. Serbia have two tough matches, but should be able to get 3 points vs Slovenia and a point at home vs Italy. Bosnia in a great situation, all they need is a win vs Luxemburg. Montenegro made their lives much more difficult by that defeat at Wales, now they need to get something out of the Switzerland match.
All in all, we could have 4 ex-Yu teams in the Euro, or we could have none. Realistically, Croatia and Serbia are the most likely suspects, but I'm of course hoping for at least 1 more team
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Markodon, I saw Modric's goal against Israel, great strike! We'll see in October what are final standings. I am hoping you will make it directly to EURO, because if all four teams end up in play off, it is almost certain that there will be one Balkan derby...
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Haha you're right. We already have a Balkan derby in the WC qualifiers, so let's leave it at that for now
Macedonian (Napoli) 3 years ago
Hi my footytube friends glad the topic is still going. My focus this days was the basketball Macedonian team had excellent Euro tournament they blow my expectations this was unbelievable we almost stop the Spanish NBA giants.
Dinamo lost from by small margin by total favourite Real but Markodon this was expected longest Dinamo wins rest of the games at home and gets one draw away will be watching Dinamo play in spring.
About those Balkan derbies I can’t believe always almost in all competition like Europe is scared from all of as ex YU republic so we have to nock our self’s out in all competitions so they have less further to worry about.
Macedonian (Napoli) 3 years ago
Hi my footytube friends glad the topic is still going. My focus this days was the basketball Macedonian team had excellent Euro tournament they blow my expectations this was unbelievable we almost stop the Spanish NBA giants.
Dinamo lost from by small margin by total favourite Real but Markodon this was expected longest Dinamo wins rest of the games at home and gets one draw away will be watching Dinamo play in spring.
About those Balkan derbies I can’t believe always almost in all competition like Europe is scared from all of as ex YU republic so we have to nock our self’s out in all competitions so they have less further to worry about.
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Great achievement for Macedonia my friend. I stopped following eurobasket closely after the shocking performances by Croatia, but I did read about Macedonia's phenomenal progress.

As for Dinamo - Real, I'm surprised how well Dinamo players reacted and performed admirably. If it wasn't for our brilliant keeper Kelava, Real would have scored a few more, but the important thing is that they didn't dominate. I'm still not sure what to expect from the other matches, but I believe we have the strength to get the 3rd place!
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Hi guys, I was away for a while, got caught up with the work after I came back from vacation.

First of all, congrats to Macedonian on great success in basketball EURO, Macedonia played excellent. I was rooting for them like it was Serbia playing (since we had disappointing tournament).

Dinamo played pretty well, I was surprised as well! Kelava did have his night, and Real did create more chances, but Dinamo did good overall. Hopefully they can continue to play like that throughout the rest of the group matches. If they do, anything is possible
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Vice president of Serbian FA got arrested for tax fraud! Fraud was related to his private business, and has nothing to do with football, but I guess this shows you a moral of people that are running football in our country!
Macedonian (Napoli) 3 years ago
Even Macedonian FFM is the same want be long before some thing will pop up
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
And if you have in mind that previous president of our FA was arrested for laundering money through transfers of players, I guess we have nice tradition of football officials being arrested and prosecuted for criminal acts! So it has been popping over here for a while, but it seems that same type of people replace those that end up in jail! Is not that the principle on which mafia works as well?!
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
So it is a last week of group stage qualifies for EURO 2012. From ex-Yugoslavian teams we have Serbia and Slovenia competing for a second spot in group see, Bosnia and Herzegovina practically secured second spot and point behind France in group D, Croatia on top of the group F with point ahead of Greece, and Montenegro fighting for a second spot in group G with three points ahead of the Switzerland. Unfortunately Macedonia's dream of qualifying is over. I want to hear your thoughts, who is progressing and who is staying home?!

My prediction (might be subjective):

Group see - Serbia to win play off spot, although Estonia is still alive as well as Slovenia. Honestly, if we cannot snatch necessary points in our last two matches against Italy at home, and away at Slovenia, we do not deserve to go through. Cannot wait for a Friday match, already got my tickets!

Group D - France is lucky since rematch against BIH is played in Paris, if it was other way around, I would give our Balkan friends a big deal of chances to snatch a top spot in the group. Although I will be supporting Dzeko & friends in their battle with France, I think second spot is reality for them.

Group F - It all comes down to match on Friday. I personally never liked the style of football Greek national team is playing, but you cannot deny they know how to get a result. I do believe that Croatia has strength to come out of the Athens undefeated (even win), and eventually top the group.

Group G - Loss against Wales spoiled whole campaign for Montenegro. Now they are in danger of not even winning second spot. I still believe they can stay undefeated in their last two matches, but what concerns me is their form in past couple of months. Big thing is Jovetic's comeback, and djetici will finally have their striking force complete (Vucinic - Jovetic).

Ideal scenario: Croatia and Bosnia & Herzegovina winning their groups, and Montenegro and Serbia going to play off.

I believe it is possible to have four ex-Yugo teams qualify for final tournament in Poland and Ukraine, since teams that are fighting for play off spots are not any stronger. This is off course if Balkan crew first make it to play off and then avoid each other during the draw
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Good predictions Velja. Unfortunately, I'm not as optimistic as you (hope I'm wrong) and I think it will be very hard for all the Balkan neighbours.

At first sight, Croatia is in a great position to either finished as 1st or the best 2nd placed. However, I just read that our coach, Slaven "no balls" Bilic said that a loss vs. Greece wouldn't be such a tragedy (he always looks for an alibi), which honestly scares me. Despite this, I do believe that Croatia has a better squad than Greece and we should come away with at least a point. Make no mistake Bilic, anything less than that would indeed be a tragedy!

As for Serbia, I think that they can get the points to take them to the play-offs. It would be a shame to see a team with so many good players miss out the Euro. But also, you never know with the crazy Serbs! Needless to say, if they give their best performances, they can book a flight to Ukraine.

Now, this is where my optimism starts to drop. I would love for BiH to finally qualify to a major compatition, but they always seem to fail on that last step. I give them 10% chance of finishing first and 30% to qualify for the Euro. Sorry for the pessimistic comments, I hope I'll eventually eat my words.

As for Montenegro, I really enjoyed their great run and they performed above expectations. Now they're back to earth and Savicevic decided to sack Kranjcar, which I think was a fatal mistake. Not because I like Kranjcar, but because I think after where he took them, he deserved to at least finished the qualifiers. If they kept him, I would've said they have 50/50 chances of finishing 2nd. Now those chances are minimal, mark my words. No matter what happens, I think the Black Mountain folk can still be proud of their team and expect more in the future.

All in all, good luck to all, it would be a blast to see 4 ex-YU teams at the Euro
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
You have a good points Markodon!

I agree with you that Croatia has to win at least the point in Athens, because you are without a doubt better team and Greeks play boring football overall (with a lot of heart though).

As far as crazy Serbs, if we did not go "Serbian style" in our two matches against Estonia (loss at home, draw away) we would be playing Italy for a top spot now. Therefore, nothing is certain when it comes to our football team, but I agree that we have too many good players not to make it to the play off at least.

I partially agree with you on BIH position. You are right about their chances to win a group, but I give them much higher odds in play off. If you take a look at the teams from other groups that are competing for second spots, I truly believe Bosnians have a realistic chance to go through (cannot blame them for loosing against Portugal in WC play off, they fought bravely but opponent was simply too strong).

I am with you on decision to sack Kranjcar was, to say at least, dubious. Results against Bulgaria and especially Wales are slip ups, but you do not fire a coach that had successful campaign overall one month before deciding matches in the group. We'll see how Montenegro squad cope with this.

It would be great for football in region to have four teams at EURO, especially since for the first time we had two "Yugoslavian" teams qualifying for champions league in consecutive seasons (Partizan last, and Dinamo this year)
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
Serbia - Italy turned out pretty much how I expected, Serbs were confident at home and the Italians played their usual conservative style. 1-1 is a result I would have bet on prior to the match.

In the case of Montenegro, quite a big surprise I must admit, they are back in the game. Didn't expect them to get anything out of this match due to the recent turbulent period, although to be fair Rooney helped them quite a bit.

As for Croatia, all I gotta' say is a local phrase: "Da nije tuzno, bilo bi smijesno". I don't really feel like getting too deep into this one, but I think it's enough to say that the Greece match was probably the worst that Croatia has ever looked on the pitch. And this is something that's been going on for over 2 years now.... Dark times
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
I was on Marakana for Italy-Serbia match. I must say that our national looked content with 1-1 draw as well, even though win would surely take us to the play offs, and I was disappointed with their attitude. Tonight we are playing in Slovenia for second spot, since Estonia managed to win in and. Ireland.

Montenegro was brave and I am glad they secured their spot in play off for EURO. Ex Partizan goalscorer Delibasic scored last minute goal, kissed the post (literally) and took highlanders step away from a dreamland!

Bosnians did as I expected, secured play off as well and tonight will try to make a first class sensation and beat France in Paris!

Croatia was disappointment for me as well! Greeks traditionally scored some cheesy goals, and are already knocking on EURO 2012 doors. In my opinion, only huge Greek slip up can take Croatia directly to EURO.

It seems it would be a miracle not having Yugo derby in play off! Hopefully we will win tonight and raise those chances even higher!
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
So it all went down as I expected.

Croatians ended up on a second place. Greeks were loosing for a while, but managed to turn it all around against Georgia.

Bosnians were so close to winning in France, and if they repeat form like that in play off, they will be playing EURO. Hopefully they will avoid Portugal and Croatia.

Montenegrins were probably still hangover from celebration after draw against England, and lost easily in Switzerland.

At the end, Serbs were Serbs and lost in a match that could have taken them to the play offs. Attitude that our players showed during game in Slovenia was shameful. It seemed like Slovenia was playing for play off, and not the other way around.

So, three ex-Yugo teams are still in play for EURO. Knowing FIFA, Portugal will probably play Estonia, and we can only hope that Croatia does not draw BiH or Montenegro, which will maximize chances to have all three teams qualify for final tournament. Good luck to neighborhood countries!
Markodon (NK Dinamo Zagreb) 3 years ago
I heard about the Slovenia-Serbia match, and that Serbs didn't really show any fighting spirit. Seems like some major reconstruction is needed. I also heard rumours that some veterans like Stankovic and Vidic are contemplating international retirement, can you confirm on that?

As for Croatia, at the moment the team looks really amateurish, key players are not performing and it just doesn't look like a serious team. If we get Estonia, we got a good chance. BiH, Montenegro and Turkey, those would all be very tough, especially Bosnia. I think they can handle just about any of the potential teams, including Portugal
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
Stankovic is definitely retiring, he stated that at the beginning of qualifies (he was hoping for more memorable retirement though). Vidic told journalists that he will retire out of rage because they asked him several times same question, but in the bus he said he was just mad. We will see what happens though. Nothing surprises me when it comes to our national team, we have extremely unhealthy atmosphere around and in the team!
VeljaSrbin (FK Partizan Beograd) 3 years ago
EURO 2012 play off draw outcome:

Turkey - Croatia
Estonia - Republic of Ireland
Czech Republic - Montenegro
Bosnia and Herzegovina - Portugal

Pretty much tight draw for ex-Yugo teams. I would say Croatia and Montenegro have 50-50 chances, with advantage of playing rematches at home. Bosnia and Herzegovina in my opinion are on 40-60 against Portugal, but it would not surprise me if they come out victorious.

Good luck to all three countries, hope to watch them in final tournament!



   
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