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Liverpool Fans - Why Hold Onto Players Who Don't Want To Stay?
Kingsickhead (Chelsea) 5 years ago
I have to have a debate with you guys ! Don't get me wrong but I don't rate alonso and masherano that highly ! There are too many good player in the world for you players to stress on those two! Masherano wants to go to barca and alonso want to go to real! And I think you should let them! Listen if a player wants to go to a diffrent club let them go if the money is right ! I never think you should want to keep a player at a club that wants to go to another club it affect the team morale and the way the way the player perform for there club! Try to make a deal since they are the aggressors(real and barca) try to get eto straight swap or yaya toure and hleb! And alonso you could take huuntellar robben snielder all excellent players ! Make a move never let a player feel like there irreplaceble or bigger than the club! That the one thing I respect about fergie he let beckhan go they didn't suffer and he let ronaldo go and I think you guys should do the same!

Idk know what is go great about alonso especially he had a terrible confed cup in my opinion but I guess ha serve his purpose

So tell me liverpool fans what your take on it! Discuss!
JohnnyG (Manchester United) 5 years ago
I think you might have confused the. Key with the ! Key
Incuteration (Everton) 5 years ago
LOL, ya almost all sentences are ended with an exclamation mark
Yashan (Manchester United) 5 years ago
Man, all your posts are so exciting! I hope you don't switch to caps soon!
Ragarsha (Liverpool) 5 years ago
Its up to rafa, but to my opinion every player doesn't play always well he has ups and downs that's life and it goes on till now none of the players expressed their strong desire for the switch, as far as kingsickhead pointed we have just attacking players for grabs no defensive midfielders, but as far as ronaldo's matter he was held for one year and he was their best player. Now what is chelsea doing about the terry matter the owner got involved in the transfer(no offense)
Kingsickhead (Chelsea) 5 years ago
This is not about us this is about you and I'm about to change my favorite team to man city because tevez and robihno are my favorite players ! My Aquarius duo !
Gavrazor (Manchester City) 5 years ago
Please don't
Kingsickhead (Chelsea) 5 years ago
No I won't but it doesn't stop them from being my favorite abd remember is the money that makes your team good I was playing okay?
Eric (Manchester United) 5 years ago
Rafa needs to do everything in his power to keep xabi alonso.... It seems that alonso is dead set on wanting to make the move to Real Madrid now. Rafa is going to need a replacement. The squad isn't deep enough to have an immediate one (Lucas sucks)
SergioRamos (Liverpool) 5 years ago
Understatement. Lucas has not been up to my expectations this season. Hopefully we can sell him next year. And to think he was once one of brazil under 21's best player
Hill (Arsenal) 5 years ago
I agree with Ballin'. They don't have a replacement that can live up to Alonso and Mascherano, so Liverpool are going to do everything in their power to keep those two. Besides, holding onto a player doesn't make them bigger than the club. If Liverpool were to be on the down swing (which they obviously aren't) I would say let them go, get what you can out of them, and start the rebuild. Only way I would let them go
Kingsickhead (Chelsea) 5 years ago
Yea guys that why I'm saying for them to get a swap instead of selling them ! Take cash and player and I never cool to try to force a player to say! It makes the club seem desperate ! If I were rafa I wolud switch alonso for drenth and sniedler take advantage of real madrid they have superstar there trying to get rid of who know might be you could get three! And take the cash for macherano or make a swap for eto ! Its so pathetic to see a big club like liverpool literally try to force players to stay when they want to move ! No player in the world to me is irreplaceable to much talent in the world and the madrid are trying to let player go seem logical to me ! Well they have to think about it sometime they can be at the club forever and maybe that time is now liverpool won nothing maybe its time for a change you never know !
Hill (Arsenal) 5 years ago
Madrid is offloading because they have an overpopulation of amazing players. Something Liverpool does not (although they do have a great team)
ManUK (Manchester United) 5 years ago
Yes Rafa should really try to kep Alonso he's great, He's who I would keep, But Mascherano is who I would let go he's still great but not as good as Xabi Alonso.

Rafa Should let them go if they want to go and I haven't seen any of them has I say put in a transfer request if you want to leave. I haven't heard news of any of them doing that yet.

Rafa will have to find a good replacement, They'll have a gaping hole in their Midfield if both leave and they're really good center mids so they need at least one good replacement. Yea Lucas sucks. Maybe Diarra If Xabi Moves but no he kinda sucks to, there aren't many good available center mids out there if any, so Rafa should keep at least one of their center mids.

I'ts up to Rafa but I don't really care if he does terrible


Kingsickhead (Chelsea) 5 years ago
Alonso keep saying he wants to go and masherano


Link: www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2009/07/17/1387852/x...


Link: www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2009/07/17/1387852/x...

And look at this other one this is sad


Link: www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/07/10/1374337/...

Is like there literally begging them to stay! I would be embarrassed if I were the manager !

Elucari (Liverpool) 5 years ago
Point is Chelsea is going to get owned by Liverpool this year anyways, and we're going to win champion's league...
Eric (Manchester United) 5 years ago
Well we'll just see how your squad is shaping up after the transfer season then we'll find out eh? With Alonso gone though, I wouldn't keep your hopes up
SergioRamos (Liverpool) 5 years ago
If any of our 1st team players leave I will give up on hoping
Kingsickhead (Chelsea) 5 years ago
Lol your funny with arbaloa lol really? Your a idiot
Kimaway17 (Liverpool) 5 years ago
No Mascherano is stayin in Liverpool. He wants to stay there. HE was on the verge of leaving but he decided to stay. ALonso is goin bcuz it looks like Rafa doesn't want him.
And they are 2 awesome players. Mascherano work rate is amazing. He gos for every ball that's loose. Alonso passin is incredible. Ge has a good passin accuracy. He is the master of 50-60 yrds ball (ok after Scholes.) And They are the back bone of Liverpools many cleen sheets
Ragarsha (Liverpool) 5 years ago
Liverpool Could Intensify Quest For David Silva After Xabi Alonso Deadline Passes


Link: www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/07/17/1388715/...
Kingsickhead (Chelsea) 5 years ago
Now that what I wanna hear! David silva is excellent player that I think needs his shine and I think he would get it a liverpool!
TheReggular (Liverpool) 5 years ago
Anyone who says that Alonso and Mascherano could leave and Liverpool would be fine doesn't understand Liverpool's squad at all. They are two of the most important players in Rafa's current system, and there is no one in the squad who can replace them. Lucas is the backup player, but anyone who's seen him play knows that he's not even close to their quality. Liverpool have many world-class players in their best XI, but there are decent substitutes for most of them. Even the absence of Gerrard isn't the end of the world--Benayoun does a more than decent job of replacing him. However, there are currently two and only two REAL holding midfielders at Liverpool, and the club cannot afford to lose them
Gerrard4ever (Liverpool) 5 years ago
Ok lets start with one thing xabi alonso has never SAID he wants to leave liverpool, although he probably wants to. There have been a lot of reports where it is speculated that he wants to leave and he has phoned rafa to ask for a tranfer but its all been reports nothing concrete. The last time alonso actually said anyhting publicaly was after the confed cup, he said he would be happy with real madrid but if he stays he will still be happy at liverpool(I don't have the direct quote but that's close to what he said). I think the only reason he wants to leave is beacuse rafa tried to sell him last summer. You mentioned that we could swap sneijder, robben, huntelaar for him but would you like to tell me how huntelaar or robben are going to play as defensive midfielders. Sneijder could work but I don't rate him as good as alonso and apparently rafa dosent want him either. I would let xabi go if we get the right price so that we can find a adequate replacement, I don't know who the replacement would be.

Its the same for mascherano, who would replace him? You say yaya toure but he will missing some playing time bacuse of the african nations cup, this is the reason why barca want mascherano in the first. Just to comment on one other thing you mentioned the link you gave Link: www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/07/10/1374337/... you said rafa was literally begging but I think he is right when he says he owes us beacuse where was his future heading with west ham united
Kingsickhead (Chelsea) 5 years ago
Put gerrard back at his natural position put kuyt up top simple he's replaced ! Gerrard is not fwd he is a holding midfielder that's why they put him up !
Gerrard4ever (Liverpool) 5 years ago
So you are saying that we should put gerrard in place of alonso. Theres just one BIG problem with that, if you have been watching liverpool for the last season you may have noticed that gerrard and toress make one of the most powerful attacking partnerships in the world. Why would we be breaking up our attacking partnership when we want to win the league. One of the reasons why keane didn't get to play much at liverpool was beacuse rafa waned to play 4-2-3-1 with gerrard playing behind toress if keane couldn't replace gerrard what makes you think that rafa will put kuyt in place of him.
Do you have an opinion on who is going to replace kuyt if what you are suggesting does happen. The only person I can think of is benayoun or we will need to buy somebody else.

Gerrard Will Play Behind Toress
Kingsickhead (Chelsea) 5 years ago
Gerrard was never a cam he was what alonso is now so alonso can be replaced if your willing to get rid of him! Your just kissing alonsa ass when he definetly wants to play for another club!
Gerrard4ever (Liverpool) 5 years ago
What part of me trying to tell you that gerrard isn't going to play as a defensive midfielder did you not get? I know he played where alonso plays now but he is way better behinfd toress. Why would we want to give up that! You are again saying alosno definetly wants to play for another club, did you not read my first post. He hasnt said that he dosent want to play for liverpool so how are you so sure about it.
You argument about gerrard never being a cam is just dumb. Do you think once a player starts playing a position he has to play that position his whole career. Different managers try different things and rafa played him as cam and that worked out so well. Why would rafa change his tactics when we are so close to winning the league
Ant (Liverpool) 5 years ago
Yeah, Gerrard is scoring 20+ a season from midfield, moving him into a defensive role would be a bizarre move
TheReggular (Liverpool) 5 years ago
Let's get one thing straight here--Gerrard can play ANY position on the field at a world-class level. Throughout his career at Liverpool (and England), he has played nearly every position, save goalkeeper. During the years when he was playing 'holding midfielder, ' he was playing as a central midfielder in a 4-4-2 -- NOT a true holding midfielder, which is the position that Mascherano and Alonso play now in the current 4-2-3-1. I agree with Gerrard4ever -- taking Gerrard out of his slot right behind Torres would be shooting ourselves in the foot, because that's where he is most effective in LFC's current system. I think that Alonso and Mascherano are so significant to this system that their absence will most likely result in Rafa being forced to devise a new system, and we will see a new Liverpool "Best Eleven. "

P. S. --Adressing who would replace Kuyt on the right? Benayoun is a good choice, but he's best in the center. In my opinion, Babel is the best choice because he is severely right-footed. We rarely get to see him at his best because Kuyt can remain the first choice on the right wing for 120 minutes, forcing Babel to appear largely as a left-winger. :\
Kingsickhead (Chelsea) 5 years ago
I not saying put him to defend xabi is not a defender but he passes and hold the ball well ! That iis gerrard game it always been ! Amd alonso can be replaced ! He is not that great to me but okay you could probably get two good signing with that money benitez know he will be gone !
TheReggular (Liverpool) 5 years ago
Alonso is a specialist. He has vision and can distribute the ball well to his teammates. While Gerrard is also very good in those ways, that's not HIS style--there is so much more to Gerrard's game, while Alonso isn't good for much else. Alonso is relatively slow, Gerrard is quick. Alonso can't play on the wings--he's exclusively a central player, Gerrard is excellent from a wide position.

Look, it's not that Alonso can't possibly be replaced--he's not the only player of his kind in the world by any means. It's just that there's currently no one in LIVERPOOL's squad that can replace him, that's all
Kingsickhead (Chelsea) 5 years ago
Why did you say that so gerrard imo can play alonso position better than alonso
TheCR9 (Liverpool) 5 years ago
I don't think Rafa is stopping them , Impact neither of them expressed their intentions to leave.
And Rafa is going to cash in any one of those for a good price


Link: www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/07/16/1385197/...
Kingsickhead (Chelsea) 5 years ago
Okay good! There are many good holding midfielders and passers of the ball on this world for liverpool to be desperate ! That's my point !
Kingsickhead (Chelsea) 5 years ago
Liverpool were looking real soft in this game!    
Gerrard4ever (Liverpool) 5 years ago
And how does this relate to alonso leaving?
Kingsickhead (Chelsea) 5 years ago
1oh my bad I forgot he didn't play because of the break in the confed cup
Kingsickhead (Chelsea) 5 years ago
Now this sound like a good move if they can get real to pay 20 million for alonso imo!


Link: www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2009/07/18/1390308/r...

Then try to get david silva and the prem is yours!
SergioRamos (Liverpool) 5 years ago
NO! Withought Alonso. When thier is an injury or suspension.... WHO Will be the replacement>? And anyways I rather have alonso then Villa
ManUK (Manchester United) 5 years ago
Alonso is Your Saviour Why get rid of him for Villa, you already have Torres
Kingsickhead (Chelsea) 5 years ago
Not villa silva
SergioRamos (Liverpool) 5 years ago
Still. Rather Have Alonso
Ltm017 5 years ago
I'm just saying.... Liverpool is fine. Why not think about Chelsea? Yes and I know we are not talking about Chelsea but if they don't want to let players go then let it be....

And why are you even so excited about them winning the premiere league anyways?
VanPersie (Arsenal) 5 years ago
Who cares if they don't want to be at the club and their game is still strong. If their performance drops sell them but why they sell a player that is in the first team and is playing well? You don't



   
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