If you want a true winger I don't think either of these guys fit the bill

Good players for sure, but Ashley Young is one to watch. Expaect big things from him

Who would you choose instead Vonramussen? I guess they are very attacking wingers but I think they could be considered wingers, why don't you think so?

Well Actually Ribery is deffo a winger where as Arshavin (I like to put him at winger) is a Everything forward kinda Lol

Ronaldo plays comedy too often ! Even though he's good...

But as a Liverpool fan I admit that his comedy is so good to watch

I don't think so...

Don't think so about what?

"They are both more of strikers than wingers though.... "

How is that wrong? They play a more forward role than most wingers, sometimes even used as strikers...

Ok, it's too complicated for me to to talk about that my english got limit !
Don't worry there is nothing wrong with your idea !
It's just a debate !

Amayel - Yamsey meant they both poise a threat as striker would do. And also both are kinda like strikers. Both are agile, fast and great finishers

Lol, that's right Sergio, did you understand that English Amayel?  (btw, why do you always put an "E" in my name Sergio?)

LOL He has a serious spelling problem, do not be offened

I think you have a spelling problem too, offended become "offened"

I'm french and I'm still learning english...

I think modern winger has to be more about atacking and not about defending so if he is sometimes placed in front as a striker then its ok

I think we all have a spelling problem, do I really care if I spell some words wrong no. Only names I spell right

Ya it is very hard to put your finger on the modern winger, they are very much like strikers. Ronaldo started off as a winger but grew into more of a striker, along with Messi. David Silva is a good example of a true wing player can we all agree on that?

Yea I can

Yeah, great shout. Carlos is good. He produces good crosses and scores free kicks

Then that would also include Ashley Young and Theo Walcott...

And Wright Phillips

Walcott is a true winger

Also Walcott, Lennon, A. Young are my fave England wingers

I think Lennon Walcott and Ashley Young are all very exciting to watch, along with Wright Phillips. They all have blazing speed and can take on defenders while playing in dangerous balls into the area that trouble defenders and usually present attackers with something to work with, all great football. I think Walcott is the best of the lot of them, his raw speed is incredible and he also has a knack at stepping up in big situations(when he almost gave me a heart attack by taking on every Liverpool player and making a perfect pass to Adebayor to tie the game 2 years ago in the Champions).

All great picks for real, top class wingers though

Dani Alves is my favorite defensive winger to watch, reminds me so much of Roberto Carlos. Always getting forward and never getting back in time haha. He can take a blistering free kick as well, not as hard of Carlos of course (wasn't he banned from taking pks from the spot because he was breaking goalies hands)?

Same with you, But I Think Lennon is slightly better than the rest. They're all great and worthy of an England spot I think But Here you have Walcott with the raw speed A Young with Better Ball control But Lennon could be the fastest in the world, and he can run with the ball at amazing pace and speed up while he's beating someone. Lol Yea I remember Walcott doing that that was crazy

All great Wingers I like though

My Favorite wing back to watch would be Sergio Ramos I think If I have Rb and Lb on my team I think they should have good attacking quality. Dani Alves would be my second Fave. Sergio Ramos slide tackles and wins at the back and gets forward. Did you see him in Euro 2008 He beat like Three people with step overs and spins (yea I don't know if he was Rari?)

Walcott indeed!

It is like a wide player. Wide offensive player

What does wide means?

Like where Ronaldo Messi and Robben play

Thank you boy !

It really is pretty hard to define a real winger in today's game, Messi and Ronaldo are very much like strikers. Lennon and Joauqin Sanchez and Nakumara define what it is for me today

And what about ribéry and robben?

I would say Ribery and Robben are certainly closer to being true wingers than Messi and Ronaldo. It's all just a matter of opinion of course, but I think Ribery and Robben are a hybrid between winger and attacker, where as Messi and Ronaldo have become more pure strikers over time. Players like Arshavin, Mancini, Malouda and many others fall under that hybrid category for me. And they are of course amazing players, with versatile skills that allow them to play so freely.

But like I said it is all a matter of opinion if you think they are more like strikers or wingers

I like that type of explanation ! Thank you sir !

Jesus Navas? I wondered why you talked about him so much, Dude you seriously need a new winger

No. There I only one Navas

OK whatever you say

Navas? Cool, but there is more spanish wingers like silva and.... Well nothing comes to my head right now

When he and Dani Alves where both on that right side they tore teams apart, he certainly has a lot of skill and speed. But I haven't seem him for a while, he has kind of faded away a little bit, ya? Like my boy Joaquin Sanchez, he use to blow me away with his talent on the ball, and crossing ability, but he has faded as well recently.

Silva is an amazing spanish winger, he to me is a true wing player

He is exciting Camoranesi. That's why he is my winger in fifa manager 09

Yes I forgot about Camoranesi he is an amazing wing player, and true to his position. Damien Duff is awesome! That's all that needs to be said haha.

And Ashley Young is good but I think Theo Walcott is better and younger, and will end up being the best winger in the world if he can stay healthy and avoid injury

Haha Glen johnson should convert to that side and let dossena mess up in the right back position. I don't think it will change much attackivley as he is already doing that.

And For Valencia. He is alright, never really thought of him as amazing. Ill say he is an slightly better that average player

He'll get better at United

Santillanavilla, we are trying to establish what a true winger is on this forum so what do you think they are?

Glen Johnson too me is a defender first and foremost, but he like to get forward and get involved in the attack and put balls in the box, like you said. Along with players like Dani Alves, Roberto Carlos, Patrice Evra and Ashley Cole but to me they are defenders who have the ability to get forward.

True wingers in the modern game in my eyes are players like Lennon, Walcott, David Silva, Nakamura, Riera and Joaquin Sanchez. Players with pace who can take on their defender in wide positions and play dangerous balls into the box. And because they are midfielders they should play defence(even if not well or in some modern cases not at all). But of course this is all up to a matter of opinion.

So again what, in your eyes is a wing player supposed to be santillanavilla?

I think you got it spot on. A true winger like you said has to have speed, have the ability to get pass players, and play dangerous plays across the box. They should also be able to relieve the pressure of the defence on their respective sides

No, not Dempsey. He is more of a centre forward than a winger. He plays winger in Fulham because he is versatile. But he is not a modern winger

And park is not a winger too he often scores goals himself and not passes the ball to any one

There are some true wingers on that list, most of them are but I would agree that Dempsey is not one of them

LTU, are you kidding that Park always scores goal himself? He always passes the ball to other people. Even in the 1 on 1 situation, when Rooney is standing right next to him, he decides to pass the ball instead of shooting and Rooney scored a easy tap in. He only score 2 to 3 last season and produced 5 to 6 assists. So he is one winger too

All 4 seem more like forwards as well...

Then what about ryan giggs

Yes, that's more like it...

Quaresma, just when he wants to play !

Ye quaresma is really cool but I think he's I bit lazy

Quaresma and Ribery more than Ronaldo and Messi, I think they have become more strikers. Giggsy is right on the money though, and yes only Quaresma when he wants to play hahaha. He is lazy like Mancini

Quaresma can't be put on a best player list guys.... No left foot, no winger speed, no team spirit

Quaresma is very far from being one of the top wingers he is a player who can't play in the big clubs of europe

Barça:fail
Inter:fail until now

More like a Wing-Back...

They turned him into a winger and he is doing great. He used to be a wing back but he made a great start as a winger when they gave him a chance