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Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 5 hours ago
Espanyol getting destroyed 0-3 by sociedad at home. I hope they get relegated so we don't have to play them again next season
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 5 hours ago
Now 0-4 @ 55 mins LOL
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 3 hours ago
Espanyol lost 0-5. Now they play at valencia next. Neville will get the chance to get a win. If he can't beat espanyol at home he might as well quit
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 6 hours ago
I just watched City vs Leicester highlights. I know its a moot point to discuss defence in the premier league but city's defence is just atrocious. Mahrez and vardy were going through their defence like it wasn't even there. Last year Chelsea won the league with 32 goals allowed and mourinho had to use "negative" tactics to squeeze out results. Southampton conceded 33. The biggest challenge for pep is going to be able to teach city how to defend because scoring isn't exactly a problem for them.

During Pep's first season, we conceded 35 goals. He brought it down to under 30 the next two seasons. In his final season, we conceded 39 but it was the point where the team started to look like it was running out of steam. Bayern has only conceded 23 and 18 goals in his two seasons there. This season they've conceded only 9. Of course bayern was consistently conceding very few goals under juup as well but pep's big obsession is tight defence. I'm not sure how he's going to get city players to get disciplined without a complete overhaul. Only madrid IMO has been the only team which has been able to get result in europe playing average defence through sheer attacking force. Which is why madrid hasn't been able to win as many trophies. If you see all the past winners in the ucl in the last few years, each winning team has had solid defence whether it is barca, bayern, inter or even Chelsea. People think it'll be easy for pep but city's owners are looking for European glory. The way city plays right now, they're a long way away from competing with the best in europe
Jeroen (Barcelona) 5 hours ago
City - Kompany = defence all over the place.
City + Kompany = best defence in England.

That's basically the jist of it. I don't even think Kompany is such a great defender; he's just a great leader that City can't miss
SoccerIsFootbal (Manchester United) 5 hours ago
Honestly, that'd be down to pelligrini, who prioritizes attack. It's one of the main reasons city are so poor in away games, they want to play an open game because they think they can outscore any opponent.

As you can see, with a posession style you will concede less, but I can't image city conceding less than 30-35 in a season. Not in this league, and certainly not with their players
Andres201 (Barcelona) 5 hours ago
"Good Defense" is a general term but its very Subjective because you have to take into account the playing style of the team. Generally I view a good defence if they are capable of performing their duties in such a way that the team is successful in the long run.

Whether a team plays possession based, or counter attacking or pressurized. Theoretically any style should work to win games and in theory trophies as well. If we look at Chelsea and Barca for example when they each won the UCL we saw completely different style of football with the same result. Regardless of you thinking which is the more attractive football. Would you say Chelsea's defence is better than Barca's? Even when Madrid won the UCL they arguably had a good defese as well because they did their job in such a way that they won the most coveted trophy in Europe.

IMO Madrid's problems is the mentality of the players, affected by the president, changing coach, un-managed egos etc etc.

As per Pep I honestly see him dominating the BPL even if he might have a tougher time than at bayern. But Teams in the EPL have yet to have answer to our Possession style football the closest one I would say is Chelsea "park the bus" strategy which almost got us out in 09. But Not Arsenal, Manchester United, Manchester City have dealt with our style of football. If anything it might take time to implement pep's style but he's a perfectionist he will do what he was brought there to do
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 5 hours ago
City's defensive record in the league has been all over the place. They won the league in 2012 by conceding 29 goals. During other seasons where they kept their GA number low, they failed to score enough goals. United is the only team in recent years that has conceded 40 goals and still won the league handily. Chelsea in Mourinho's first year conceded only 27 but scored around 60. It seems like most teams have to make a trade off between attacking play and defence. Most epl teams can't seem to be able to maintain both ends well.

Typically the trend in premier league is that if you concede around 30-35 goals, half the work is done. You have to supplement that defensive record with around 80+ goals. Under pep, I'd think city can score 80 goals. The key will be to keep that defence at around 30. I think city's big problem is the DM area. There are rumors that pep wants to make a move for Busquets. If he indeed takes him to etihad, he will break barca's backbone and at the same time find a transition specialist from defence to attack for his new club.

Several years ago, gullit said that playing football is like driving a car and in the premier league you're always in overdrive. That is not pep's style. He will want to slow the game down. It'll be interesting to see how he manages to do it
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 5 hours ago
Andres: I don't want to use the word "lucky" but it's hard to describe Chelsea's ucl win. Yes, they did enough to win and that's all that matters in the end but all sports is accompanied by uncertainty. Chelsea were getting destroyed by both barca and bayern but still got out alive. Its an anomaly as far as predictable results are concerned
SoccerIsFootbal (Manchester United) 3 hours ago
It's down to the manager. Mancini played negative football for the most part until they won that first trophy (FA cup) and then bought aguero. There were chants of boring, boring city.

Pelligrini was hired in part because city administrators want attractive football, and a brand name at the head of the club (pelligrini was fresh from his stint at real madrid)

The league is changing all the time. The mid to bottom clubs are much much stronger now than 5 years ago, where united would be expected to paste teams 4, 5-0 that were in the relegation zone. Villa can still take a beating, but in genereal the relegation fodder score more goals and and try to attack you even when away from home. Unheard of a few years ago. Not sure pep will be able to replicated 30 goals a season conceded here
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 7 hours ago
Messi to undergo kidney surgery
Malik (Barcelona) 6 hours ago
It's a minor operation, he is expected to join team back on Thursday, will miss CDR 2ND tie against Valencia.

I hope Samper, bartra, Sandro & Munir starts against Valencia, didn't saw Barca be recent matches but they're on mini winning run and apparently samper is killing it there
Jeroen (Barcelona) 1 day ago
Looks to me that Ronaldo will never be as good as he once was anymore. Today he was once again really poor when his team needed him to be good. He shines when Real would win anyway, but he hasn't made a difference in games where his contribution was actually needed in months.

Kind of sad. The end of the Messi-Ronaldo era begins
Xgooner4everX (Arsenal) 1 day ago
The start of the Neymar era begins though
ArtVandelay (Melbourne Victory) Yesterday
Here is some empirical evidence supporting what you are saying:


I have always noticed that Ronaldo looks hungrier when Madrid are a few goals up and he senses he can get a cheap goal against the demoralised opposition. When Madrid are down, he looks disinterested. There is no doubt in my mind that he values scoring goals more than winning.
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 22 hours ago
Two reasons for it. Age and the fact that madrid has decided to not run plays around him. There is a distinct change in attitude of players. Earlier it was obvious they were constantly looking for him as if they had clear instructions to pass to him before the finish. Now if there's a chance to shoot they go for it
Sexyted (Barcelona) 13 hours ago
That being said.... Don, t you think that the attacking potential of the team was greater when it was built up around him.... Than now? .... Also same can be said about messi which will also account for his less amount of goals, aside from injury of course
SanchezAlexis (Barcelona) 11 hours ago
^^ it's actually the complete opposite. When the team was built around Messi, all they had to was shut him down and our attack would become useless. Now we have Neymar and Suarez who can share the burden
SoccerIsFootbal (Manchester United) 8 hours ago
Yeah that's what we were saying about rooney. Physically, he may be past his peak or not at peak presently, but the technique never fades. It would be wrong to underestimate him.

Beside I think the aging process will be more apparent for ronaldo as he is 1 older, 2 relies more on his physical ability than pure technique (compared with messi), and 3 doesn't have a suarez or neymar at his side, some to score 40-50 plus goals when he is not in form.

It's possible he just needs to have more rest and can't play 60 games a season at a super level anymore. That, and bbc is turning into a poor man's msn
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 7 hours ago
Ronaldo needs to accept that he can't run past players anymore that easily. Ronaldo can be a brilliant playmaker if he wants to do it. However he will never accept playing for someone. The thing about messi is he is more than willing to create and score when its necessary. He gives the coach options whereas ronaldo demands a system fit for his approach. Bbc can't be as good as msn but if they develop teamwork then they can surely compete with them
Dippers07 (Arsenal) 1 day ago
Lads you have Messi, Suarez and Neymar. It's only fair you let us have 3-0 lead at the emirates before you annihilate us at Camp Nou
SanchezAlexis (Barcelona) 1 day ago
I wish it was that easy. I expect it to be very tough and I just hope it's an entertaining 2 legs. Barcelona are the clear favorites but Arsenal have shown more than enough times that they can win as the under dogs
Titi1348 (Barcelona) 1 day ago
Before the first leg is played they chances are 50-50. "Favorite" is just a tag. Each game have is own reality. At this level it's really hard to predict a result as anything can happen especially in a champions league game.
I'm really excited and equally nervous. I'm expecting a 1-1 draw at the Emirates stadium. That would be a good result for us. Anything that forces Arsenal to score goals at Camp Nou would be great
Hikmat (Real Madrid) 13 hours ago
Obviously the favourites are going to play down the fact that they are the obvious favourites going into the game.
Sexyted (Barcelona) 13 hours ago
Very true & honest remark hik: I for instance would not expect anything less than a 2-0 score line.... Our weakest trait I would say is our finishing.... & that says a lot seeing that it is highly assumed & boasted that we have the three best strikers in the world, I would like to see better efficiency in our finishing & might I say one or two more last touches would help.... After all tiki taka is barca, s ultimate weapon
Malik (Barcelona) 1 day ago
Wow this was Lucho 100th match as manager of barca, he have win ratio of 80% with 5 titles, an average of a title ever 20 match.  
Jeroen (Barcelona) 1 day ago
Who keeps programming our games at these ungodly times? I was enjoying lunch with my family and apparently the game was on.

Looks like I didn't miss too much though
Alfrodo (Barcelona) 1 day ago
At least it was lunchtime for you, J. The match started at 3am here :/
Fizzy10 (Barcelona) 1 day ago
Started at 6AM, so it was too late for me to stay up, and too early for me to wake up. Especially on a weekend :/
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 1 day ago
Yeah it was early. It was at 3pm here. Luckily there's a bar across from my office. I watched the second half with clients calling me every min
SanchezAlexis (Barcelona) 1 day ago
It was 5 am here. I was out till 3 am. Slept till 5 and watched the game. No way in hell I can miss a Barca game due to sleep
4ever (Barcelona) 1 day ago
My office time is 7-3 pm, I left office an hour early to watch the match
Malik (Barcelona) 1 day ago
As brag about many time by me, gulf is 2ND best place to follow European matches (after Europe), this crazy time was at 2:00 pm here, manage to watch it in office
Jeroen (Barcelona) 1 day ago
I used to have no problems getting up in the middle of the night for football games either. In fact, it was quite a special feeling. But nowadays I'm a working man who just wants to spend a Sunday lunch with the family (and THEN watch the game ).

I feel old now
4ever (Barcelona) 1 day ago
Expert analysis: "Barcelona won the game just because navarro scored an own goal and Suarez scored". Michel Owen
Maaza (Barcelona) 1 day ago
Barcelona kept a clean sheet because Levante didn't score
Andres201 (Barcelona) 1 day ago
The game ended when the ref blew the whistle
Hikmat (Real Madrid) 1 day ago
Barcelona struggled because the grass was too long and not watered enough. Or was it too wet?
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 1 day ago
Barcelona players lose their attacking powers when the sun is out
Dekk88 (Barcelona) 1 day ago
This is sad. Alves is embarrassing, def hung over from Neymar's bday party
4ever (Barcelona) 1 day ago
It's just nothing, we struggle when busi out on the pitch just like today or Malaga game or if he is having bad game, the momentum had changed to our favor once he went on to the pitch.

You can argue it, but for me he is the best mid fielder in the world
SanchezAlexis (Barcelona) 1 day ago
Even when he came on, we were playing like s**t. And he had over 30 minutes to make an impact. Fact is we were just garbage today and got lucky to come away with 3 points.

But games like this is how you win championships
4ever (Barcelona) 1 day ago
You didn't watch the game properly IMHO, levente pressure lowered once he came and we started finding feet in mid field. We been poor this game, but atleast his presence made us feel secure
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 1 day ago
To be honest this is normal for a midfield without a proper DM. Sergi Roberto is very good but his abilities are more suitable for attack than defence in the midfield. Rakitic runs up a bit too much to cover the midfield defensively and Iniesta isn't defensive at all. Busi's absence does make a difference although the entire team was sluggish today. Besides Levante always plays total defence against Barca so it wasn't unexpected
Malik (Barcelona) 1 day ago
Nothing new, we don't like playing under the sun
Fizzy10 (Barcelona) 1 day ago
You have to take into account that we've had a packed schedule these last two months, plus the CWC, this is the time when we need to grind out results, the better performances will come once the schedule eases up a bit
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 1 day ago
^ Yeah like when we play Arsenal LOL
Malik (Barcelona) 1 day ago
Another match another legit goal not given.    Laligalona !
Maaza (Barcelona) 1 day ago
The linesman can shove his flag in his ass
Maaza (Barcelona) 1 day ago
Wasn't even close. Messi was miles onside for f*** sake!
SanchezAlexis (Barcelona) 1 day ago
We really need a second goal. Looks like our boys are still asleep
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 2 days ago
Michael Owen was commentating on the Leicester/city game. After Leicester scored he said, "Leicester is 1 goal up. If the score stays like this they will win!"

Haha Brilliant analysis there
Jeroen (Barcelona) 2 days ago
I wonder if he's doing a gimmick being Captain Obvious or if he's genuinely that dumb
SoccerIsFootbal (Manchester United) 2 days ago
If you have ever heard him speak, it's not a question of his intelligence, he's just a pretty bland character imo. It may come across as stating the obvious, but he's just pretty bland/boring for a commentator. I bet he thinks he's doing a great job lol
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 2 days ago
City getting destroyed by Leicester 0-3 at home lol
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 2 days ago
Pep is surely inheriting the best team in the PL
4ever (Barcelona) 2 days ago
Lol, look out arsenal forum, they're now saying city lost because pelle didn't give a damn about result because they gave an early announcement, LMAO. How can people so stupid, lol
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 2 days ago
It is definitely not a good thing to announce in the middle of the season that the manager is being changed. I'm not sure if that would affect the team or not but it is a possibility. Toure knows he's going. Nasri will probably be gone. Players who realize they'll be given the boot usually lose morale. Let's see what happens. What if city lose out on champions league spot? That would piss pep off. Lol
4ever (Barcelona) 2 days ago
But no way, that's the reason city lost, come on, we have to give some credits to Leicester team. They didn't give any space to city's attackers and were efficient infront of goal.

And also as we know, city and arsenal are both side of same coin, as they're the most inconsistent teams out there
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 2 days ago
Of course credit to Leicester but team morale is important in any sport
Malik (Barcelona) 2 days ago
The great TEAM Pep is joining next season is getting their asses handed to them.    Just Crown the Foxes already !
SoccerIsFootbal (Manchester United) 2 days ago
Manchester city quite easily have the most expensive and talented squad in the league. Lets not kid ourselves
Malik (Barcelona) 2 days ago
If that's true then city is easily most underachieving club too. Let's not kid ourselves q
Jeroen (Barcelona) 2 days ago
^So what even if that would be true? They still suck balls without a fit Kompany, KDB, Silva or Agüero. Take out either of those guys and they're just a sad bunch of overpaid 'stars'
SoccerIsFootbal (Manchester United) 2 days ago
Yeah, great argument, take out all their world class players, and then what are they left with?

The fact remains he is taking over the most talented side in the league. He will probably drop a fortune in the transfer market.

I'm just saying, lets not pretend he is talking over some underdog or building something from scratch (unless all those stars are sold). You could argue that city need a lot of work, just like the other top sides, but they're still the strongest squad in the league without question. They are simply underperforming
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 2 days ago
I don't think city has the strongest squad. I think arsenal might be the strongest at the moment though city is pretty close to them. I also think arsenal has the deepest squad in the premier league IF they're fit
Malik (Barcelona) 1 day ago
Exactly Franky, arsenal don't have best squad but IMO they have best functional starting 11, city have a big squad but their best 11 still present both issues in defence in Mid
Jeroen (Barcelona) 1 day ago
^I meant either of them SIF. Kompany is the most important player for an English team since Scholes. Take him out and City's defence is looking feeble. With him they're the best defence in England.

KDB & Silva are the only real top creative forces in the team and Agüero their only reliable goalscorer
SoccerIsFootbal (Manchester United) 3 hours ago
Did you just equate kompany's importance to scholes? That's outrageous
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 3 days ago
Madrid is going to activate the buyback clause for morata for €32m with the intention of putting him back on the market for €50m and make a cool €18m for a player who developed more under juventus than at madrid. This is why transfer rules in football need to be changed. I'm not sure if Morata has a say in this but this is treating players like commodities if madrid is really doing it. Many clubs do the same thing so its not a rant against madrid. In usa, players are traded by clubs in exchange for other players or a spot on the draft. Money is only offered to the player which is why players make most of the money in the transfer. It will be too much to ask for football to change drastically and follow that model but it will be better if clubs aren't allowed to run their clubs like farms
Malik (Barcelona) 3 days ago
Mate its impossible for Madrid to do s**t if Morata don't want it, they do have a clause on him but it's useless if Morata don't want to leave Juve
Maaza (Barcelona) 3 days ago
^Good point. Would he rather compete with Benzema or Mandzukic for the starting spot? He'll have way more playing time if he stays at Juve
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 3 days ago
His career will probably get ruined of he leaves right now. Only an epl club can play 50m for him. When you're bought for 50m the expectations go through the roof. Most players fail at that point mostly because of intense pressure
Pejvl 3 days ago
This really sounds like some crazy Marca like rumor to fill in the gap between matches, since there is nothing better to report.

Also, Morata is behind Mandzukic and Dybala in Juve now. Madrid has one striker and that is a guy who might end up in prison lol. The memory of Morata playing for us is still fresh in my mind, it really wasn't a pleasant sight
Malik (Barcelona) 3 days ago
^ not sure though, both Dybala and Mandzukic have been first choice for Allegri, with Mandzukic nursing an injury Morata will get more playing time.

Point is Juve value Morata and would he agree to move to Madrid if he already knows that they just want to sell him to gain bit of profit? No way
SoccerIsFootbal (Manchester United) 3 days ago
Why would Madrid do all that for such a meager profit. And who would buy him in the epl anyways
Hikmat (Real Madrid) 3 days ago
I think we might buy him back, but haven't heard about selling him back immedietely for 50M that sounds fake.

Pejvl I actually liked him at Madrid. I remember him and Jese I think under Mourinho playing decently well in their few chances
Pejvl 3 days ago
The first image that comes to my mind when I think about Morata, is his head always being bent to the ground. He really got a great chance when Benzema was in one of his worst episodes Hikmate, and wasted that chance. I haven't watched him at Juve at all, so I couldn't tell you if he improved or not. But if he's still around that level, then I don't think we should waste that much money on him.

Btw, Mayoral has been on fire for Castilla and he signed a new contract just days ago. He could be in the team next year, especially because he reportedly had a great relationship with Zizou
Franky4fingers (Barcelona) 2 days ago
I highly doubt perez would let any talent from castilla prosper at the club unless he just starts destroying opponents right from the get go and becomes an overnight superstar. The criteria at madrid is shirt sales
Juventusfc (Juventus) 2 days ago
This talk of Morata going back has been going on for months and time and time again he has said and emphasized that he is happy here at Juve and Marotta the Juve transfer manager has said they have no intention of letting go of Morata. There are no rumours that are concrete enough or solidified to make a valid point of him leaving and he is now finally beginning to regain his form and composure. If Madrid want him then they will have to make sure they have Morata's vote or else he is not going anywhere

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