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Sickened that Rooney was made captain.
Hodgson's new-look squad...

Goalkeepers: Fraser Forster (Southampton), Ben Foster (West Bromwich Albion), Joe Hart (Manchester City)

Defenders: Leighton Baines (Everton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Calum Chambers (Arsenal), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Phil Jones (Manchester United), Danny Rose (Tottenham Hotspur), John Stones (Everton)

Midfielders: Jack Colback (Newcastle United), Fabian Delph (Aston Villa), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), James Milner (Manchester City), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal) Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Andros Townsend (Tottenham Hotspur), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal)

Forwards: Rickie Lambert (Liverpool), Wayne Rooney [C] (Manchester United), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Danny Welbeck (Manchester United)
I copied and pasted from the BBC and I don't see Glen Johnson in there...doth mine eyes deceive me !?!?

There is a lot more youth in midfield which excites me. I expect we'll continue to line up like this:

------------Hart
Jones-Cahill-Jagielka-Baines
-----Henderson-Wilshere
Sterling--Rooney--Welbeck
----------Sturridge

------------Forster
Chambers-Jones-Stones-Rose
-------Colback-Delph
Townsend-Sterling-Chamberlain
------Welbeck/Lambert

2nd string doesn't strike fear into the hearts of opponents but that is the hand we've been dealt...
Gerrards made the right decision! :)
wonderful news guys, england will definitely win euro 2016 and wc 2018
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/324137.html
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just wanted to give credit to howard webb, who risked his life calling that handball on hulk lol
still trying to work out what Fergie possibly could have gained by making that call ;-)
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Why are people throwing the blame at Hodgson? Can people not see that a lot of the England players are just not up to scratch to compete at World Cup level? If Hodgson is only given a Nokia 3310, how do you expect him to do video calls?
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What has he won? What is he good at? Where has he succeeded? At most jobs you have to be the best candidate to be the boss.
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@Chelsea61 - we have a saying in England; "you can't polish a turd"

I don't think it matters who you appoint for the England job, the players are just not as good as their international competition.

I can't think a single English player who would make the starting XI for Germany/Spain/France/Netherlands etc

Roy's training methods cannot be blamed for the fact that the players have poor control and couldn't pass a ball to the feet of their team-mates 20ft away.

The game is simple and we can't even do the basics right.
hodgson's not exactly top of the line either.

take a look at some of the other managers and they have done wonders with limited resources. costa rica won the group, after all, and none of their players would feature in italy's team, would they?
no they wouldn't, Kayteo, however the Costa Ricans can do the basics right.

The English players couldn't string five accurate passes together. They were all under-hit, over-hit or just so far from their teammates that the players had to run/stretch just to get the ball.

One could make the argument that Hodgson would have fared better as a manager for a team that could pass a ball properly.
agreed Deffy, but those same players do okay for their clubs - unless you practice those basic skills (and other things, like penalties) you can't expect much.

i do think it's 50-50. I'm not saying hodgson should leave, but i don't know if he's the right coach to move the team forward.

english coaches are poor in general.
Its a combination of both really. They failed to do teh basics and the management was off. Their was not a lot of confidence from England coming into the games they showed fear a number of times and panicked when it came to their MF and DF. Roy isn't the best manager in the world. England need a better manager who has an actually plan and give the confidence they need. The best managers pick the best possible players and the best possible formation and really understanding all your players inside and out, being able to get the best out of them. Roy doesn't.

I do like the attacking emphasis he put into the game against Italy and it worked put you can just focus on one area you have to cover all your sides and the defense was just awful. Johnson could barely make a decent pass, Jagi/Cahill looked lost a number of times and Baines was out of position and had no cover from Rooney when he overlapped forcing him to cover more distance and his gas was out and done in the middle of the second half.

All in all I don't think his the man for the job and the longer you keep him the longer England wouldn't be heading anywhere and will be stuck in the same position. England needs a manager, a world class manager who can lead this team towards the right direction with a plan because they truly do have so many young talented players but they wouldn't succeed with Roy around in international football.
Please sack Roy immediately! It's clear after Euro2012 and Brazil2014 that he hasn't the stones to command a team of talented yet overhyped high payed Englishmen. The English mens national team is in shambles. First time out of the tournament in the group stage since 1958. They don't need an Englishman running the team, they need the best man available. The only other pre-requisite should be that he speaks English. The hefty salary should attract a fair amount of interested parties. I'd be happier with Giggs as the Manager. He couldn't do any worse.
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england have undeniably played a lot better in this tournament compared to euro 2012. to judge roy on that tourney also wouldn't be fair, as he took over from capello right before the tournament.

to be fair, this time around, england missed a fair amount of chances, and they came in with a weak defense.

i think the main issue was a lot of the players they relied on to make the difference were not in the team even 3 months ago. there was shifting, players out of position, confusion etc. you need a settled team, settled role players etc. i think england have a good coaching (neville, etc) and supporting staff set up, good young players, etc. now they need a strong philosophy, a plan/vision they can implement, and some luck that their potential stars develop into established stars. roy may not be the best visionary manager but i think he's assembled a good supporting staff and he's got good players.

euro 2016 will be a lot better than these past two tournaments so long as these youngsters keep getting picked, build some chemistry and experience, and start taking their chances. the only real concern for england is central midfield, i think they will have real quality attacking and defensive options 2 years down the road as these young players continue to get experience in the premier league and in europe.

my one big disappointment, asside from him not trusting rooney to play his game in the #10 role (sterling and barkley didn't not produce the goods when it mattered), was that he picked all these liverpool players yet did not play liverpool's style (tactical shape and style of play). look at germany, adopting bayern's style because so many of their players would be comfortable in that system since they play for FCB. or look at the netherlands, with LVG playing the 3-5-2 system because it would suit his young defenders, who are all from feyenoord and play that system for their club. i think a truly top manager should evolve tactics to suit his best players.


a diamond midfield of
--------rooney---sturridge
------------sterling
---barkley/lallana---henderson
------------gerrard

would have made use of the young players and probably made best use of liverpool players and rodger's system.
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SIF, I couldn't agree more - you have to play the formation that suits your players rather than try to fit players into your chosen formation.

I actually don't think Rooney makes a particularly great #10, so I would have tried to fit him into a formation that utilises him as true striker.

a 4-3-3 with Rooney/Sturridge rotating as the main spearhead would have suited us better. We also missed some real pace and good delivery out wide - a fit Walcott/Chamberlain would have been ideal for a 4-3-3, IMO.
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A glimmer of hope ?

http://bbc.com.sundaytimesdaily.com/england-get-second-chance-as-ref-is-charged-with-match-fixing-offences/r/24906
A glimpse of boarding the plane home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72Xba_04RAs
be honest, do you guys think you would have done better, about the same, or worse if you didnt take rooney and gerrard or if they sat the bench like lampard. interested to hear thoughts.
The Rooney question is a controversial one anytime international is on, isn't it.
England simply have limited striker options, even if Rooney plays a no. 10
What is exactly preventing a Lallana straight behind Sturridge Rooney up front
Seriously...any team who has Hodgson for a gaffer should not have hopes at all!!! It's not the players...who in the right mind would appoint Unkle Roy???? and pay him 3.8m...bonkers!
There are no English good managers available at any level

I take the point England needs tactical ideas, revamp if that's the word
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Well we couldn't have done any worse than 2 defeats from 2.

We gave a lot of youngsters a taste of the big stage which was refreshing to see. I think Rooney just about justified his selection with an assist and goal but should have done a lot more. Gerrard didn't influence either game at all. His time has come imo.

@redface

performance-wise, not just result-wise.
not a problem with selection.
It's a problem with tactics.
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Hindsight always wins. In the end, it might've been better to insert more young faces in the team, because they could've brought the enthusiasm, workrate and pace a guy like Sturridge (who was great in both games) brought. And Gary Cahill, a fresh face for England on tournaments as well, was excellent too.

But you can't just leave out all experienced players. Say what you want, but I think Gerrard is a must, since he's the captain and the inspiring man who keeps the team determined. Rooney is quite simply a quality player of whom is expected far too much. He's not on Ronaldo or Messi's level at all, but he can be relied upon to bring 7/10 performances every game at the very least. Only Lampard is a bit too much of the good old stuff IMHO. I have huge respect for him, but guys like Lallana should've started playing for England sooner instead. Then the chemistry between the experienced oldies and the energetic youngsters could be a lot better than what we saw here.

So, for me England's World Cup ended before it began: the preparations were erratic and Hodgson should've tried to assemble a starting 11 composed of experienced players like Gerrard and Rooney with fresh blood like Lallana, Sturridge and Sterling much sooner.
i'm not a rooney fan, but he did score one goal and create the other, he was responsible for 100% of the english goals... so dropping him would've been stupid, eh?

i think dropping welbeck for wilshere could have made a difference in both games. england were exposed in midfield and could have used an extra passer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2HBdRCroks
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