I talked about football and peacefully and with reason - I hope - have I explained my point of view. There is no need to go over it again. We do not understand each other, probably cannot understand each other as for you, a Turk, the end (the result) is more important than the way your team got there. Quite understandably and logically enough, though.

The main point of my post here was that Turkey did not play well (in my opinion) and as they did not play well, they were extremely lucky to get so far. We have an idiom for that: “utéci hrobníkovi z lopaty” (something like to run away from gravedigger’s shovel, in English “return from death’s door”). Turkey managed to run away 3 times, and it is only a matter of point of view if you see it as a “cunning tactical plan”, “perfect piece of coaching”,”bad luck”, “lack of football skills” or what not… We do not share our points of view, OK, I see no problem with that. On the other hand, I see no reason why I should not write my opinion…

Speaking about Christianity and football, or rather mixing the two the way you do (or you see ME do, probably) is an utter nonsense. Here you completely missed my point, I am afraid:

- in a very short remark, I tried to say that from certain, very important point of view, Turkey does not belong to Europe. THis is a scientific fact, not an insult and it makes me rather sad that you think I tried to insult you or your country. It has nothing to do with bigotry, orthodoxy or racism. For centuries, Europe was shaped by certain set of beliefs and norms, rules etc. that were completely different to those in Turkey, India etc and which set the two apart. This is what I tried to say, and again - exaggerating this fact - no offense meant to anybody. Unfortunately, it was the religion - a term or issue that is rather tricky to get into now - that until the 18th century, Near East was considered as “uncivilized, barbaric…” So from historical point of view, Turkey is not a part of Europe. Think about me what you want, but please, try to understand my argumentation. As I have written, nowadays the politics made geographical division of world look completely different.
This is all wanted to say. I quite do not understand why do you feel offended and insulted. I have no problem to say sorry though I do not know what am I apologizing for and no offense was intended.

Btw. 4 years ago, Greeks played as terribly as you, maybe even worse, this is without any doubts. One could hardly watch it - that boring it was - and it has got absolutely nothing to do with religion. Anyway, my only belief (which is constantly doubted by something in nature) is reason - I am not baptized, dont go to church and do not believe in Jesus Christ, just as most Czechs dont.
Cheers to you too
The more funny it is

The proverb is exactly about the stuff what you’re trying to do. I’m telling that we made till the semi finals. You’re saying “you were lucky” ?? I’ve never said that we weren’t lucky. But being lucky doesn’t change the result. If you want to pin point the fact that we were lucky rather than the result that we made to the semi finals than I’ll say that you’re trying to underestimate the success by calling it pure luck. Yes we were lucky. No doubt but there were sth more than pure luck.

I’ve mentioned about the countries without SOIL in the continent. You might have missed that part from my post. That’s fine. Here I’m not trying to prove anything. Because I don’t really care if you consider Turkey as part of Europe or not. I really don’t care. I’ve talked about SOIL, your come back is RELIGION? What are you talking about?

You’re claiming that Turk have been called “barbarians” for a while but not anymore… You know what I am thinking? I think you are trying to take the conversation to a nonsense route because you have no solid response to the main argument.

What happened to my questions about Kazakhstan/ Armenia/ Azerbaijan/ Georgia/ Israel? Ooooo my bad! You’ve already answered, right? You said “there is not much Christians in Turkey” :-”

Over all Turkey maybe didn’t play the best football but they don’t HAVE to play the best football. Would you like to talk about the previous Euro Cup and Greeks victory? I don’t think so. But of course you can always claim that it’s cool because they’re Christians.

If you wanna talk about football that’s fine. But if you are gonna try to insult me or Turkey, don’t bother coz I won’t get angry and I won’t respond you.

We have another saying goes like this “Bad words are belong to their owners” …

Cheers